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Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 00:42:42
December 12 2009 00:36 GMT
#1
I have some bad news to share. After speaking with TSL admins who informed me of suspicious games on F91's match list, I spoke with F91 and he has admitted to me that he cheated by asking a friend to give him free wins (the six games after he played TSL-CastrO). I am extremely disappointed that this happened and very sad that one of Duskbin's players cheated in this way. It goes without saying that this sort of behavior cannot be tolerated.

Some of you may wonder why he abused when he was already so high in the ladder and virtually guaranteed a Top 48 spot. F91 needed to qualify for the Top 12 in order for his flight scheduling to work out.

Here is a statement from F91:

I haven't been able to play in the TSL ladder due to the G-League in China. Because of this, I dropped out of the Top 12 and was forced to play with bad equipment in an internet café at 4am before the G-League finals the next day. It was very difficult finding TSL players who would play me, and when I finally played Castro and lost, I was very frustrated and discouraged, so I made a very wrong move to get free wins off my Chinese friend. I am extremely sorry for doing this and will take full responsibility for my actions. I will stop competing in TSL immediately, and I hope someday I can be forgiven for this.


Of course, no circumstances can excuse what happened. DuskBin E-Sports does not tolerate cheating and can no longer support F91 in the TSL. I would also like to apologize again on behalf of Duskbin and F91 for the problems he has caused, especially to those fans who have been rooting for him since day one. It is indeed sad that it has to end in this way.

Nevertheless, we would still like to thank the TeamLiquid Admins for coming up with such an awesome league. I hope other TSL players will take this as a lesson, and we can have a clean and reputable tournament going forward.

Thank you,
Duskbin.Ash
AwarE--
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States70 Posts
December 12 2009 00:37 GMT
#2
Sorry to hear, seemed obvious from the matchlist however.

Good manner Duskbin. Did the right thing.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 00:43:00
December 12 2009 00:38 GMT
#3
wow... ESPORTS!!!

EDIT: Thinking about it more, I wonder why he felt like he needed to cheat? I can see the situation: Its 4 in the morning, playing with crappy equipment and getting dodged all the time but all he needed was a couple of good games to be back at the top. He just needed a bit more Patience
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 00:41:30
December 12 2009 00:39 GMT
#4
T________T

Ash you are a good guy appreciate all the hours (days even) we have spent discussing everything about the Chinese participation to TSL. It is clear your heart is in the right place and there are very few people on the planet that have as much dedication to e-sports as you. I'm sad this had to happen to you, and also sad that F91 resorted to this. This post was definitely the right thing to do. Thanks for that.
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iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
December 12 2009 00:39 GMT
#5
oh well I will still cheer for you f91
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 00:41:46
December 12 2009 00:40 GMT
#6
Nooo
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Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
December 12 2009 00:41 GMT
#7
This sucks i was really looking forward to watching F91 play. At least he was honest about it but i agree that there should be zero tolerance for shit like this
Better than Pokebunny
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
December 12 2009 00:42 GMT
#8
f91..
I'm dissapoint.. TT
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 12 2009 00:43 GMT
#9
Ash that was a very good post. F91 is a good guy and an amazing gamer. He shouldn't have cheated (as he said) and the punishment fits the crime.

Wish I coulda seen F91 vs IdrA again though
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 12 2009 00:43 GMT
#10
I feel bad for Ash, but not for F91. Maybe Sen will get the glory back to DuskBin

I am not good with quotes
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 12 2009 00:44 GMT
#11
On December 12 2009 09:41 Foreplay wrote:
This sucks i was really looking forward to watching F91 play. At least he was honest about it but i agree that there should be zero tolerance for shit like this


qft. At least he didn't make drama about it. I feel bad for him almost.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 12 2009 00:46 GMT
#12
That sucks ass...
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 12 2009 00:46 GMT
#13
=[

shucks.
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
December 12 2009 00:46 GMT
#14
Very disappointing to not have F91 in the TSL.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 00:48:59
December 12 2009 00:47 GMT
#15
Its a shame and rather silly to even try to cheat in something like this. With thousands of people f5ing the ladder standings every few hours. Cheating in the top 100 going to get spoted pretty fast. I guess I understand his reasons for trying it, but its still disapointing to see a good player knocked out like this. Worst thing is there 24 hours left in the ladder. He likely could have made top 12 without having to cheat.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
AstraBoy
Profile Joined August 2006
Peru363 Posts
December 12 2009 00:47 GMT
#16
There are some players, into the top 48, that did the same thing as F91, but im pretty sure that they will continue playing the league, like if nothing hav happened.

Anyways, good decition to leave after this, GL
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
December 12 2009 00:47 GMT
#17
Dunno why people think no-one will notice :/

Anyway F91 is still cool. If he had such a huge problem with people dodging wasn't that grounds to be allowed to smurf?
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
December 12 2009 00:48 GMT
#18
fuck that sucks
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2749 Posts
December 12 2009 00:50 GMT
#19
Sad that this happened.

Good that F91 admitted straight.

As someone said above me, the punishment fits the crime.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 12 2009 00:51 GMT
#20
ironic that he got caught because he's so popular.
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