On December 12 2009 12:04 doggfrenzy wrote:
ericyang, stop trying to argue whether F91 cheated. HE DID! Ash admitted it and F91 admitted.
stop making yourself a laughing stock

Look at the your post above that...Ironic isn't it.

And yeah I'm really saddened by this I wanted to watch him play so bad

0cz3c

United States564 Posts

December 12 2009 03:07 GMT

#102

On December 12 2009 12:00 doggfrenzy wrote:
Nony, seriously, are you still sore about getting your ass whipped by F91 in Liquibition? I can't find any other reason why you always pop up when something happened to F91 or even someone discussed about F91. What F91 has done was horrible and he owned up his mistake so why dont you pack up your sarcastic crap and leave the guy alone?
After all he still kicked your @ss. Now you should be quiet and thank god for not having to face him in TSL2.

Huh?

iloahz

United States964 Posts

December 12 2009 03:11 GMT

#103

dogg I think it's obvious and everyone knows but you didn't have to put it so bluntly.

Lachrymose

Australia1928 Posts

December 12 2009 03:14 GMT

#104

On December 12 2009 07:02 Ash wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm not sure if hes chinese but I've just asked F91 personally if he knows that guy and f91 denied. I'll get replays from him later but I don't think hes stupid enough to cheat on two 3 mins games.

yeah, like everyone else i'm glad he was up front about it too.

doggfrenzy

China3 Posts

December 12 2009 03:19 GMT

#105

On December 12 2009 12:07 Megalisk wrote:

Show nested quote +

Look at the your post above that...Ironic isn't it.

And yeah I'm really saddened by this I wanted to watch him play so bad

Did I say what F91 did was not wrong?

Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

December 12 2009 03:19 GMT

#106

damn F91

i like how he admitted straight up

Xeris

Iran17695 Posts

December 12 2009 03:22 GMT

#107

it's pretty incredible how lightly some people are taking this, it's pretty disgusting how image drives the community in the face of such malicious behavior.

F91 cheated, on purpose, initially lied about it, and then came clean.

He deserves getting banned from TSL and probably other events, those kind of actions cannot be condoned.

It's just funny the amount of people defending him, we need to use the same standards for cheaters regardless of their persona. There's no reason F91 should get treated differently than someone like Dino (who cheated in a money event as well), or anybody else.

Ash is the biggest man in all of this.

Trezeguet

United States2656 Posts

December 12 2009 03:22 GMT

#108

You seem to be one of those people....
I would be surprised if most of the other players don't feel the same way Nony does. Heck, you should have read Artosis's post.

Edit:also, by your logic, aren't you just mad that F91 is out because you are also from China?

See this logic is dumb.

Cedstick

Canada3336 Posts

December 12 2009 03:33 GMT

#109

This thread makes me giggle.

Very mature of Duskbin in this case, by the by.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21247 Posts

December 12 2009 03:38 GMT

#110

Ah fuck, now I have 0 incentive to watch TSL >_>

rageragerage. rabblerabblerabble.

Eh maybe I'll go cheer for Sen. Go Sen?

JiYan

United States3668 Posts

December 12 2009 03:39 GMT

#111

iono about you guys, but im really pleased with f91 for taking responsibility for his actions

mikeymoo

Canada7170 Posts

December 12 2009 03:46 GMT

#112

On December 12 2009 12:39 JiYan wrote:
iono about you guys, but im really pleased with f91 for taking responsibility for his actions

What if he had games thrown in a more convincing manner? And then didn't get caught? Would he still take responsibility?
Taking responsibility after getting caught seems like damage control, like pleading guilty when the evidence is overwhelming.
EDIT: But props to Ash.

Phyre

United States1288 Posts

December 12 2009 03:47 GMT

#113

I don't see anything particularly honorable about F91's actions, he was caught THEN admitted to it. With such blatant cheating there was no way he could have even argued it, he had no other choice. This isn't him being mature about it. Ash is a different story, he's handled this as elegantly and maturely as can be asked of anyone. Big props to Ash, class act.

Also, to the fools implying that Nony is somehow taking jabs at F91 because of his loss ages ago... one could just as easily come up with an equally retarded theory like F91 purposely did this to drop out because he feared getting raped by Idra for revenge. Idra is #1 on the ladder, F91 was struggling to stay top 12... yeah. Both above theories are bullshit, let's not delve there again.

NonY

8751 Posts

December 12 2009 03:47 GMT

#114

Liquibition didn't bother me much haha. That PGL tournament in Chengdu, now that sucked. Don't remember if I played F91 though. . . and the Chinese people were great, and are good players. I'm pretty sure F91 has done a stuff and hasn't won it all, but I'm not there to make comments for it. I have nothing against him until now -- his play is good, his manner was good, and the lag isn't his fault.

I'm not antagonizing F91 here. Who it is doesn't matter to me. The point is that the community is too soft on cheaters. And it has only gotten worse over the years. The community ought to have a bit more self-respect, and TL.net members in particular since this is a TL.net event. Cheating is a slap in the face, especially to F91's fans/supporters. Civility is fine, but instant forgiveness and sympathy for his situation is just a bit too far.

rredtooth

5464 Posts

December 12 2009 03:48 GMT

#115

On December 12 2009 12:39 JiYan wrote:
iono about you guys, but im really pleased with f91 for taking responsibility for his actions

if by that you mean iccup correctly accusing f91 of abusing and ash withdrawing him from the league then yes, i am pleased with f91 taking responsibility for his actions.

KwarK

United States44256 Posts

December 12 2009 03:52 GMT

#116

Look, I know China got abused pretty badly by pretty much everyone else in the world in the late 19th and early 20th Century but seriously, you have to move on. Stop with the anger towards us whities.