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Interview with MorroW - rank #2 at the TSL ladder

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knf
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden282 Posts
December 10 2009 12:31 GMT
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PR.COM: Hello and welcome, Stefan ‘eX-v1o)MorroW’ Andersson, thank you for doing this interview. Right now, you are ranked #2 in the TSL-ladder with a solid A, putting you just behind Idra and ahead of feared players like yosh, Strelok, ret, Mondragon, White_Ra, F91 and many others. That’s quite gosu, how do you do it?

Well to be honest, I have been practicing a real lot this season on my smurf accounts which all is now transfered over to eX-v1o)MorroW with around 600 games plus the ASL account which was around 250 and now on top of that it looks like I’m going to get 300 games on TSL before it ends.
I have also practiced alot with friends and clanmates over the season that was off-ladder.
Dodging koreans and abusing the D ranks might have played a roll in this too ^;


PR.com: If you were to compare the way you play Terran to that of any Korean progamer, who would that be? Are you a Fantasy or a Flash - or maybe even a BoxeR?


Well most gamers would probably have called me a big 100% Flash camper in TvP and bio in TvZ some months ago but lately i have taken in new game styles in all match ups as I’ve gotten inspired by many other progamers such as Fantasy and berserker. But yes overall I would definatly concider myself a Flash :D


PR.com: Not too many weeks ago you played in the Starcraft tournament at Dreamhack (which was won by the Russian Terminator, Brat_OK) in Sweden. How far did you manage to go and what opponents were the toughest?

Well I came to the semi-final before I got owned in the face by Brat’s insane TvT 0-3. Then I played for 3rd place against Naugrim where I lost 0-3 too. While I was playing against them I could really feel myself being in the same level as them but yet I managed to lose every single game there xd
However Brat was definitely the hardest opponent there, and I think I speak for everyone who played him at Dreamhack.

Some days before Dreamhack event I had gotten a tooth infection and shit which turned out to be pretty ugly, during Dreamhack i had to pop many painkillers (actually overdosed quite a bit) during the entire event causing me to play quite poorly. But I’m not going to put any excuses on that I still think i would have lost to Naugrim and Brat even if I was in ok shape. I’m happy to have lost to them since I think those 2 players were the best and most respected players by me, I was shocked to see Enivid crush Naugrim after that i thought Enivid definitely deserved the second spot, I actually expected Naugrim to take 1st place^^


PR.com: Foreign Starcraft is now more competitive than ever, and every place on the TSL top 48 ladder has to be taken with force. Considering your style of play and what you know of your opponents - what do you need to do to reach the finals? Can you beat Idra in Terran vs Terran, and what about Draco, Nony and Iefnaij…?

Well for starters I can tell you that I probably have no chance what so ever at beating Idra in a best of 3+ as it is by far my weakest match up.
But in general I feel pretty confident to win against any other gamer than the top TvT gamers.

To come to the finals I will need a fair amount of luck of my opponents and I will have to keep practicing steadily as I have been for the past months. My goals of this tournament was never to get into the finals, I don’t expect that much from myself but I think I will do pretty well in this event. Hoping to drop out of that with something at least unlike Dreamhack where prizes were just given to top3 xd, give me a coke and big check of 10SEK i don’t care at least it would be some prize :D


PR.com: Nowadays, becoming a professional Starcraft player is not as impossible as it used to be - with ret and Idra playing for a living in Korea and with so many well-run foreign tournaments around to compete in. Going far in and/or winning the TSL would not only mean a lot of money, but possibly the opportunity of becoming a true progamer as well. Would that interest you - in Brood War or Starcraft 2?

Well becomming a progamer has been my dream ever since I started playing 1×1 on iCCup. But I feel like SC1 will be replaced by SC2 soon and I’m in my second year of school so it would be a bummer to drop out go to Korea get bashed and go home. However if I was at this level 1 and a half year ago I would definitely try my best to be a progamer in Korea. So right now my plan is to play SC1, get a good grab of the game from all aspects then once SC2 comes just move on and own the shit out of everyone^^
I do believe the top gamers SC1 is going to dominate SC2 at least in the beginning.


PR.com: All right, let’s turn up the heat and bring on the trash talk. You have climbed almost the entire TSL-ladder, what do you have to say to the two lonely guys that are still above you - and what trash talk will you bring to the many sorry gamers you ran over on the way?

Well I dont really know who the hell Sen is, I thought he was some chinese zerg then some other guys said he was from Taiwan etc and in ladder he played Protoss against me. But he seems like a good guy.

Everyone knows Idra and got opinions about him so that should be easier. Idra is definatly proving himself to be the best foreigner by playing tons of Koreans compared to most plus of course being at #1. A few weeks ago when I saw replays and vods of him I wasn’t impressed by him at all, in any match up concidering his dedication. He has dropped and still is dropping many games to foreigners that is arguable not even close his level.

I think Idra’s problem is that he does’nt adapt or abuse his gamestyle to who he is playing against. Take the 13rax against aCe on medusa as example, he does’nt need an economical advantage like that to win against aCe still he takes it which frankly just seems stupid to me. Instead of thinking of finding a way to get economically ahead in early game maybe he should just focus on surviving it and catch up later by pure mechanics he would be a lot more successful against these cheesy top foreigners.

I don’t feel like I am in a position to trash other gamers underneath me in this ladder since I’ve also had my fair amount of dodging^^
Altho I do think it’s weak of people who bm the ones who dodge them, and I think its weak to lie to your opponent make up fake excuses not to play, but I don’t think its weak to dodge somebody. When I dodge somebody I just tell them the truth. Players like iNcontrol who I said “i can’t play more today cause i must go soon etc” started bming me and even bringing it up on the TL forum.

Guys like Tarson and Terran which I’ve simple told “i dont wanna play you cause your too good” (TvT) and then they start flaming me etc I think this is really weak.

It’s also really annoying with the guys who say “sorry i need to warm up” then you ask them 30 minutes later they say “i must eat” and it goes on like this forever. Dodging is OK - lieing and bming is not… we all want a high spot in TSL it’s our natural instinct to dodge so just accept it.

Oh yes and a last thing, you should’nt bm somebody because of their game style like many people do. Don’t let the game impact you emotionally, just learn to defend it instead of nerd raging… that is just pathetic.


PR.com: Thanks again, MorroW, for pausing in your newb-bashing to do this interview. It’s nice to see a fellow countryman show some serious skills in the TSL. Good luck in reaching the top, but before we go - do you have any other shout-outs, tributes or rants you would like to share with the community?


I’ll just go with the classical “tnx to all supporters out there and tnx for the interview”. TSL is an awesome event so far :>
Oh and many people has been asking about why I don’t stream, it’s because my internet is too poor. Once TSL is over I will share the replay pack tho so that’s something xd


PR.com: Well said, Polygon reVue out - GG!
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 10 2009 12:35 GMT
#2
I like his attitude. I don't agree with him about dodging but definitely about criticizing a players style and manners in general.
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Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 12:38:42
December 10 2009 12:38 GMT
#3
Sen used to be the 2nd best foreigner Zerg next to Mondragon back in like 2004-2005, he just switched to protoss after a long SC break iirc.

And yeh, he's from Taiwan.

And of course good luck to MorroW, just so I'm not completely off-topic xD
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
December 10 2009 12:38 GMT
#4
thanks for the interview, useful considering that alot of people dont know anything about morrow
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
December 10 2009 12:39 GMT
#5
Some of the most delicious TSL trash talk yet. Nice interview!
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 10 2009 12:46 GMT
#6
Cool interview. I'm really happy to see a swedish player so high up in the ladder. Hopfully he can go far in TSL! Go Sweden!
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 10 2009 12:47 GMT
#7
Well good luck... I don't like the dodging too much but hey everyone's got a style
Neobick
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden208 Posts
December 10 2009 12:47 GMT
#8
He is quite swedish though...
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
December 10 2009 12:47 GMT
#9
Morrow ! Hope you go far in TSL

And dont let me see you dying from scouts again !
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 10 2009 12:48 GMT
#10
Thanks for the interview! I really appreciate morrow's candor too.
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
December 10 2009 12:52 GMT
#11
Moved to Pokerstrategy.com TSL forum.
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
December 10 2009 12:57 GMT
#12
his view on dodging is funny to me
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 10 2009 13:33 GMT
#13
On December 10 2009 21:57 lokiM wrote:
his view on dodging is funny to me

How's it funny? It seems perfectly logical to me. If you simply look down on his dodging, I think the dodging should be attributed to the way the TSL ladder rewards dodging.
On December 10 2009 21:38 Naib wrote:
Sen used to be the 2nd best foreigner Zerg next to Mondragon back in like 2004-2005, he just switched to protoss after a long SC break iirc.

Sen switched to protoss? He has a zerg icon on the ladder standings, and played almost all of his games as zerg during the ladder.

IMO this thread won't get the attention it deserves in the TSL section. I suggest moving it to the Broodwar section, as it talks about events outside of the TSL as well.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 10 2009 14:03 GMT
#14
Nice interview guys!
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uppTagg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden473 Posts
December 10 2009 14:03 GMT
#15
Gogo Morrow! Need a high level T swede in the TSL! Now tell your other Swedish pals to stop going on and off the top 48 and stay up there! ^^ Go Swe!
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tre2ettsexsju
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden248 Posts
December 10 2009 14:15 GMT
#16
Good read! will be interesting to see how it goes in the later stages, can't wait!
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
December 10 2009 14:17 GMT
#17
Nice interview
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 10 2009 14:42 GMT
#18
Alot of players are avoiding to play their weak matchups. Call it dodging, but there's alot of money on the line here, and you need to consider your strengths/weaknesses wisely throughout the tournament. This applies to ingame strategy as well, adjusting your gameplan to different opponents, not only to your own, but also to your opponents strengths/weaknesses.
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Prof. Protoss
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany744 Posts
December 10 2009 15:16 GMT
#19
K that's it. I like him. Go Morrow :D
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
December 10 2009 15:27 GMT
#20
I don't know what game Morrow refers to when he speaks of Idra & Ace, as I did not see it, but his general view on this matter I agree with. Idra is far better than certain players in terms of mechanics, so by opting for a really safe early, it will ensure he survives to mid and late game where his overall play is much superior. Trying to secure an economic advantage that puts you more susceptible to cheeses [especially versus cheesy players] seems like a bad strategy overall.

Then again, I realize that Idra probably only [or mostly] practices the economic builds and that's what he is most comfortable playing with. It's also not impossible to strike off cheese builds when you play standard anyway, so considering he most likely gets a lot of practice with this is a benefit also.
a11
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany303 Posts
December 10 2009 15:28 GMT
#21
On December 10 2009 22:33 XinRan wrote:
IMO this thread won't get the attention it deserves in the TSL section. I suggest moving it to the Broodwar section, as it talks about events outside of the TSL as well.

It's in the spotlight now, that should do.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 10 2009 15:44 GMT
#22
On December 11 2009 00:27 Salv wrote:
I don't know what game Morrow refers to when he speaks of Idra & Ace, as I did not see it, but his general view on this matter I agree with. Idra is far better than certain players in terms of mechanics, so by opting for a really safe early, it will ensure he survives to mid and late game where his overall play is much superior. Trying to secure an economic advantage that puts you more susceptible to cheeses [especially versus cheesy players] seems like a bad strategy overall.

Then again, I realize that Idra probably only [or mostly] practices the economic builds and that's what he is most comfortable playing with. It's also not impossible to strike off cheese builds when you play standard anyway, so considering he most likely gets a lot of practice with this is a benefit also.

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SkogsTrollet
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden1 Post
December 10 2009 15:45 GMT
#23
Good interview. Only us oldschools know who Sen is;D Can't belive he switch to P tho,
his zerg was nice. Well played brother
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Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
December 10 2009 16:12 GMT
#24
it is kinda funny that someone as high on the ladder doesn't know Sen...he is not that oldschool. I have been around bw since the beginning so that's maybe why...but anyways i like Morrow's attitude. Go Morrow
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 10 2009 16:16 GMT
#25
On December 11 2009 00:45 SkogsTrollet wrote:
Good interview. Only us oldschools know who Sen is;D Can't belive he switch to P tho,
his zerg was nice. Well played brother

Source? Like I said in my previous post, he has been laddering with Z. In addition, he played Z during WCG.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 10 2009 16:47 GMT
#26
Sen switched to P about a year ago and he was pretty good with it but now he's back to playing Z.

Thanks for the interview!
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jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 16:48:51
December 10 2009 16:48 GMT
#27
I am surprised at how many people don't know sEn that well.

Wasn't there an event where Leg had him doing pushups or something?
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 10 2009 17:07 GMT
#28
Good interview. Morrow expresses himself better when somebody else is doing the typing...

I'll pull for him, at least to a point.
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Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
December 10 2009 17:11 GMT
#29
Great interview, nice to see some scandinavians up there too. I really wanna know more about Avi, havent heard much about him but hes been in some foreign turneys lately.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
December 10 2009 17:28 GMT
#30
really nice and truthfull interview morrow talks real things
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 10 2009 17:59 GMT
#31
Morrow is the awesome underdog I'm gonna be rooting for.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 10 2009 18:03 GMT
#32
i like the guy.

he's average.
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knf
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden282 Posts
December 10 2009 18:08 GMT
#33
I'm glad you guys like the interview, more is coming soon
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oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
December 10 2009 18:36 GMT
#34
Holy shit im a MorroW fan right now
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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 10 2009 19:04 GMT
#35
His view on dodging is pretty awful and flawed, but he seems like a cool guy.
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UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
December 10 2009 19:23 GMT
#36
He`s such an attention whore and he really gets what he wants =] I like that dude ^^
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 10 2009 19:28 GMT
#37
On December 11 2009 04:04 Gumbo wrote:
His view on dodging is pretty awful and flawed, but he seems like a cool guy.


I am pretty sure that many players in this event value the monetary prizes higher than showing people how good they are. It's a lot of money for some of those people.
Of course I don't know if this applies to morrow, but if you value money over fame dodging is perfectly reasonable. There are no rules against it and he is honest about it. I don't see anything awful or flawed here.
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Chillz
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada100 Posts
December 10 2009 19:35 GMT
#38
Dodging is within the rules ... so why not? I'm willing to bet that with 3 hours to go in the TSL and people being a few spots out of the top48 even the best of the best players would be considering carefully who their next opponent is. It's pretty natural. He's still playing lots of good people who are the same rank as him so there's nothing wrong with that. People can't get to those ranks without having quite a lot of skill and still being a challenge.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
December 10 2009 19:53 GMT
#39
I would imagine that the worst part about playing Terran would be nightmareish TvT's.
I really wouldnt blame a nigga for dodging matches like that. At least he's all about being honest.
Everyone dodges, to some degree, at least he talks about it.

I really think it would be nice to see a Terran win anyways.
GL again to everyone.
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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
December 10 2009 20:52 GMT
#40
#2 didn't last long
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wifebeater
Profile Joined January 2008
178 Posts
December 10 2009 20:54 GMT
#41
Ron fighting~~

Seriously tho, MorroW seems like a nice guy! =D GLHF!
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DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
December 10 2009 21:41 GMT
#42
On December 11 2009 05:52 H wrote:
#2 didn't last long

Back at #2 again.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 22:01:29
December 10 2009 22:01 GMT
#43
after TSL there should definitely be an incontrol v morrow showmatch
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SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
December 10 2009 23:16 GMT
#44
On December 11 2009 07:01 tonight wrote:
after TSL there should definitely be an incontrol v morrow showmatch


But Morrow didn't want to play him more since Incontrol is too good=/.

I like Incontrol a lot though, this interview made a lot more clear about Morrow, I'll be rooting for them both.

Also about him being on his "2 year in school", by that he means It's his second year at gymnasium (Which are the last three years of school in the swedish school system).
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Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 23:19:26
December 10 2009 23:18 GMT
#45
Altho I do think it’s weak of people who bm the ones who dodge them, and I think its weak to lie to your opponent make up fake excuses not to play, but I don’t think its weak to dodge somebody


IMHO, it is weak to dodge people. Why dodge people who are better than you, see yourself as inferior, ignore a good opportunity to learn from your mistakes, and put limits on yourself all at the same time?
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9589 Posts
December 10 2009 23:33 GMT
#46
Maybe because he knows he has problems in certain areas of gameplay, but doesn't want to learn from his mistakes in a ladder like this, and put limits on himself, when there's money on the line.
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 23:35:14
December 10 2009 23:35 GMT
#47
Morrow! Sen's zvp was comparable to modi's back in the day. He was among the best foreigners several years ago.

Terrific interivew, though. Thanks.
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 10 2009 23:42 GMT
#48
Dodging in a ladder stage where it matters what spot you place in doesn't really matter. What matters is how well you do in the playoff format.
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Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
December 11 2009 00:33 GMT
#49
On December 11 2009 08:16 SirGlinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 07:01 tonight wrote:
after TSL there should definitely be an incontrol v morrow showmatch


But Morrow didn't want to play him more since Incontrol is too good=/.



lol, if your refering to the replay where he said "no re, your too good" or words to that effect, i'm preeety sure he was being sarcastic.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 11 2009 00:52 GMT
#50
On December 11 2009 08:18 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Show nested quote +
Altho I do think it’s weak of people who bm the ones who dodge them, and I think its weak to lie to your opponent make up fake excuses not to play, but I don’t think its weak to dodge somebody


IMHO, it is weak to dodge people. Why dodge people who are better than you, see yourself as inferior, ignore a good opportunity to learn from your mistakes, and put limits on yourself all at the same time?

....because you'll get a higher spot on the ladder?

Really, it's just smart strategy. If anything, the format is to blame, as ladders allow a certain flexibility you don't see in a tournament (then again, they are damn fun to follow ).
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 11 2009 01:12 GMT
#51
The point of this ladder isn't to show superiority or learn from mistakes. It's to qualify into the TSL.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
December 11 2009 01:26 GMT
#52
Interesting interview. At least he doesn't sound like he has sand in his vagina. Idra for #1 but gl and I hope you get deep into the tournament, MorroW. ^^
觀過斯知仁矣.
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
December 11 2009 01:44 GMT
#53
Morrow fighting!

Thanks for the interview.
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 11 2009 01:45 GMT
#54
On December 11 2009 08:18 Nal_rAwr wrote:
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Altho I do think it’s weak of people who bm the ones who dodge them, and I think its weak to lie to your opponent make up fake excuses not to play, but I don’t think its weak to dodge somebody


IMHO, it is weak to dodge people. Why dodge people who are better than you, see yourself as inferior, ignore a good opportunity to learn from your mistakes, and put limits on yourself all at the same time?

Under normal circumstances I would fully agree with you, but when you are laddering to get better positions in a cash tournament anything goes as long as it doesn't break a rule.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
December 11 2009 02:53 GMT
#55
Really nice interview, I like the honesty about dodging, it's not an optimal situation for competition but it's the way it is currently.

SC2 with auto-matchmaking where you must play the opponent who you are given would be cool.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 11 2009 05:10 GMT
#56
On December 10 2009 22:33 XinRan wrote:
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On December 10 2009 21:57 lokiM wrote:
his view on dodging is funny to me

How's it funny? It seems perfectly logical to me. If you simply look down on his dodging, I think the dodging should be attributed to the way the TSL ladder rewards dodging.
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On December 10 2009 21:38 Naib wrote:
Sen used to be the 2nd best foreigner Zerg next to Mondragon back in like 2004-2005, he just switched to protoss after a long SC break iirc.

Sen switched to protoss? He has a zerg icon on the ladder standings, and played almost all of his games as zerg during the ladder.

IMO this thread won't get the attention it deserves in the TSL section. I suggest moving it to the Broodwar section, as it talks about events outside of the TSL as well.



Yeah i am confused too, ive seen reps of him playing both races so idk which one is his main now.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
December 11 2009 05:52 GMT
#57
Zerg is still Sen's main race, he played zvz,zvp and zvt at WCG. He switched to protoss sometime ago and then switched back to zerg, thus having a fairly decent off-race.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
horang3
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
December 11 2009 06:03 GMT
#58
On December 11 2009 08:18 Nal_rAwr wrote:
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Altho I do think it’s weak of people who bm the ones who dodge them, and I think its weak to lie to your opponent make up fake excuses not to play, but I don’t think its weak to dodge somebody


IMHO, it is weak to dodge people. Why dodge people who are better than you, see yourself as inferior, ignore a good opportunity to learn from your mistakes, and put limits on yourself all at the same time?

So you can move up.
Do great work
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
December 11 2009 06:25 GMT
#59
polygon wins
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
December 11 2009 07:27 GMT
#60
Ya I agree about the dodging thing. Sure it makes sense to play people tougher than you... but if you can maintain #2 by playing smart and selective... in such a big tourny? Ya... you gotta do it.

He can really drill on beating players better than him in 6 months. Now its time to see how many points he can get and how good he can make his record. I think it would be a waste NOT to do so.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
December 11 2009 08:49 GMT
#61
No worries, qualification rounds will weed out all the dodgers =)
Whenever I see a dropship, my asshole tingles, because it knows whats coming... - TheAntZ
Mentos
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom203 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 17:04:23
December 11 2009 16:45 GMT
#62
On December 11 2009 00:45 SkogsTrollet wrote:
Only us oldschools know who Sen is;D

sorry man but knowing who sen is has nothing to do with being oldschool, just not being an ignorant newbie like morrow.
Let him (morrow) turtle this ladder all he wants, once the qualifiers begin he will fade out really fast. Which brings me to my second point - next time you choose someone to interview, make sure he has something worthwhile to say, besides drivel towards people he blatantly avoids playing and half baked attempts at justifing dodging.

User was warned for this post
Taly
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany29 Posts
December 11 2009 17:10 GMT
#63
On December 11 2009 07:01 tonight wrote:
after TSL there should definitely be an incontrol v morrow showmatch


YEA.. with drunk day9 casting xD
sigh -.-
s_86
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
December 11 2009 17:43 GMT
#64
I enjoyed this interview more than mst others. I like the honesty, Go Morrow.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
December 11 2009 19:54 GMT
#65
"yeah I got 4th wacked out on painkillers." lolz

Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 11 2009 21:17 GMT
#66
Oh this looks like a nice guy :D

I value being honest much more than having talent at any game.
Revolutionist fan
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 12 2009 00:03 GMT
#67
On December 11 2009 04:28 spinesheath wrote:
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On December 11 2009 04:04 Gumbo wrote:
His view on dodging is pretty awful and flawed, but he seems like a cool guy.


I am pretty sure that many players in this event value the monetary prizes higher than showing people how good they are. It's a lot of money for some of those people.
Of course I don't know if this applies to morrow, but if you value money over fame dodging is perfectly reasonable. There are no rules against it and he is honest about it. I don't see anything awful or flawed here.


He's just gonna get roflstomped when he wont be able to dodge anymore.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
December 12 2009 00:38 GMT
#68
On December 12 2009 09:03 Gumbo wrote:
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On December 11 2009 04:28 spinesheath wrote:
On December 11 2009 04:04 Gumbo wrote:
His view on dodging is pretty awful and flawed, but he seems like a cool guy.


I am pretty sure that many players in this event value the monetary prizes higher than showing people how good they are. It's a lot of money for some of those people.
Of course I don't know if this applies to morrow, but if you value money over fame dodging is perfectly reasonable. There are no rules against it and he is honest about it. I don't see anything awful or flawed here.


He's just gonna get roflstomped when he wont be able to dodge anymore.



That's like saying Jaedong never loses to people that aren't as good as he is. It simply isn't true. Morrow, and everyone else, has a much better chance in the tourney the further he gets in the ladder.

And besides, I'm C- at best and I could dodge all day long but I'd never get to the top 100, much less top 48 in the TSL. Dodging helps, it helps a lot, but you have to have quite a bit of raw skill to back it up.

I had never heard this guy say anything before, but I very much like his attitude toward the game and his stance on a good competition.

I will be rooting for this guy.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
invy
Profile Joined April 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina41 Posts
December 13 2009 16:01 GMT
#69
Nice interview. Dodging seems ok in this occasion, why would he lose points needlessly and risk missing the tournament. He can always work more on his TvT on other accounts to prepare for main tournament.
Neobick
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden208 Posts
December 14 2009 17:55 GMT
#70
Isnt it quite pussy-esque to dodge just because you want to win money? In that case you dont deserve to play players who dont dodge and make it anyway.
Use the force.
knf
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden282 Posts
December 15 2009 08:57 GMT
#71
Rather than it being pussy-esque, I say that it's strategic. It is allowed, and eventually skill will determine the outcome. Considering how surprisingly many players have turned to cheating and abuse to stay in the TSL, I think that carefully considering your opponents is a valid way of playing in this tournament.
I was born to fast expand!
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
December 21 2009 05:57 GMT
#72
lol at some of the sentiments expressed.

'nigger' 'sand in his vagina' 'pussy-esque'

Keep expanding the community This is definitely the language to do it.
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