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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 09 2009 18:01 GMT
#2141

On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
December 09 2009 18:24 GMT
#2142
Khalleb did you see that Byakerai dude on Inka`s stream ? L M A O X D
BruceLeeToss
Profile Joined August 2006
United States154 Posts
December 09 2009 18:24 GMT
#2143
there should be a prize for most games played lol
TSL.Mamon. 652 ladder games is insane.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
_Grazze_
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
834 Posts
December 09 2009 19:05 GMT
#2144
Everyime I read this thread it's about Kolll (most of the time), IdrA or Inc vs Morrow.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
December 09 2009 19:24 GMT
#2145
On December 10 2009 04:05 _Grazze_ wrote:
Everyime I read this thread it's about Kolll (most of the time), IdrA or Inc vs Morrow.


I would add Kwark to that list.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 09 2009 19:25 GMT
#2146
On December 10 2009 03:01 igotmyown wrote:

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.

Your conclusion should be something like "if he plays 50 games and wins 60%, he'll make the top 12"

Saying he'll need 50 games at a 60% win rate fails to take into account the probability of a win streak.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
December 09 2009 19:59 GMT
#2147
On December 10 2009 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 03:01 igotmyown wrote:

On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.

Your conclusion should be something like "if he plays 50 games and wins 60%, he'll make the top 12"

Saying he'll need 50 games at a 60% win rate fails to take into account the probability of a win streak.


Or a lose streak that drops him 1000 points so he'll need 100 more games
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
December 09 2009 20:03 GMT
#2148
i see now that putting idra on my anti team was a mistake
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
_Grazze_
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
834 Posts
December 09 2009 20:07 GMT
#2149
On December 10 2009 04:24 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 04:05 _Grazze_ wrote:
Everyime I read this thread it's about Kolll (most of the time), IdrA or Inc vs Morrow.


I would add Kwark to that list.


Oh, forgot!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 09 2009 20:20 GMT
#2150
On December 10 2009 04:59 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On December 10 2009 03:01 igotmyown wrote:

On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.

Your conclusion should be something like "if he plays 50 games and wins 60%, he'll make the top 12"

Saying he'll need 50 games at a 60% win rate fails to take into account the probability of a win streak.


Or a lose streak that drops him 1000 points so he'll need 100 more games

No I don't think so...
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 09 2009 20:28 GMT
#2151
On December 10 2009 01:43 win8282 wrote:
No disrespect, but how the **** is morrow up there at the upper A ranks? He probably knows better than anyone that he would get rolfpowned by the average A- korean player(probably the average B+ player as well)...

edit: I found out why... He's played only 2-3 koreans in his last 250 games... oh, and he played a few d,d+ guys too... shame on you morrow...

In that respect, HWAITING Idra! A+ foreigner breaking the #50 rank of 1v1 iccup! (though he also semi-ladder abused. He only beat 2-3 korean A ranked players so far on his road to A+...)


The D/D+/C- games don't mean anything, that should be obvious. He got a total of 117 points from those. Right now, 117 points less would not change anything about morrow's position on the ladder. And even if it would, those were legit games.

Why shouldn't he be in the A ranks? He is beating A/A- players consistently enough to keep this rank or even climb the ladder. If he doesn't deserve that rank, none of the people he beat deserve that rank. And those would be quite some. Whether he gets owned by A- koreans or not doesn't matter, he deserves his spot among the other TSL players.

It's not abuse if you play people at lower ranks unless they are actually giving you freewins (as in not even trying to win). If it were abuse, it would be prohibited in both the ICC rules and especially in the TSL rules. But it isn't because the points per time ratio is so low that it's simply not worth it.
Yes, it is forbidden for the last few days of the ladder, but that is only to prevent people from climbing a rank or two with minimal risk to enter the top12 etc.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
flothere
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany55 Posts
December 09 2009 20:29 GMT
#2152
Mondragon is hot for SC !! Thats a sign.

Just if your curious as to how the guy looks mondi gets his nickname from:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/518140/artikel_Mondragon-brennt-auf-den-SC.html
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
December 09 2009 20:45 GMT
#2153
On December 10 2009 02:46 Lobbo wrote:
IDRA IS ON THE FIRST FUCKING PAGE ON ICCUP @ LADDER 1V1!!!!! so awesome.


sure and who the hell is sexydog from Australia on the first page? It appears he plays all races...won't be leg.

By the way i really wish that White-Ra will win TSL2. He just has to beat Idra, which won't be easy task.

Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
December 09 2009 20:48 GMT
#2154
On December 10 2009 05:45 Ricjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 02:46 Lobbo wrote:
IDRA IS ON THE FIRST FUCKING PAGE ON ICCUP @ LADDER 1V1!!!!! so awesome.


sure and who the hell is sexydog from Australia on the first page? It appears he plays all races...won't be leg.

By the way i really wish that White-Ra will win TSL2. He just has to beat Idra, which won't be easy task.



This has been covered so, so many times. It's a bug with ICCup, they think some Korean IPs are Australian.
BruceLeeToss
Profile Joined August 2006
United States154 Posts
December 09 2009 21:00 GMT
#2155
It would of been nice of NonY played lol and got 1st on ladder.
["Skill is earned by hardwork, not dreaming."]
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 09 2009 21:09 GMT
#2156
then probably the 2nd would have got the chance to play him.. ( dunno rlly ^^ )
hatred outlives the hateful
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 09 2009 21:28 GMT
#2157
I've been keeping track of all the >20 minute games played against A- Koreans so that I can easily go through the rep packs after they're released and find good games. It's really amazing how many more long games Idra and White-Ra have played against Koreans than everyone else.

TSL.IdrA 35
TSL-mOrrow 1
DuskBin.SenTSL 1
TSL-Strelok 1
TSL.White-Ra 38
tsl-yosh 7
TSL)Mondragon( 4
TSL-ret 5
DuskBin.F91TSL 4
TSL-Fenix 7
TSL_Yan 1
TSL.MaNa. 10
tsl-terran 7
TSL-DIMAGA 1
TSL.RoX.ALF 0
TSL.MoonShine 1
TSL-Fluffy 1
TSL.iNfeRnaL 0
Tsl.Sziky 4
TSL-Avi 0
TSL-OctZerg 1
TSL-iG.Casper 4
[TSL]_LzGaMeR 0
tsl-eg.nyoken 0
TSL-GoOdy 0
TSL-Kr 0
TSL-Arew 1
TSL-G5 9
TSL-DeSka 7
TSL-HoRRoR 0
TSL-CaStrO 3
TSL-KabaL 0
TSL-KawaiiRice 0
TSL-XiaOzI 3
TSL-Dreiven 0
TSL-MerCury 0
TSL.GhosTa 0
TSL-DeathAngel 0
TSL-ParanOid 0
TSL-CloseR 1
TSL-KiLLeR 13
TSL-Yayba 0
TSL-JuanJo_O 0
TSL-Spawn 3
TSL-Zazu(GN) 0
TSL-HappyZerg 0
TSL-Naugrim 0
TSL-iG.Tarson 1
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 09 2009 21:38 GMT
#2158
KiLLeR is the 3rd most manly player in TSL.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 09 2009 21:45 GMT
#2159
Kolll better make it, I will be so mad if he doesn't like omg.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
December 09 2009 21:47 GMT
#2160
On December 10 2009 06:28 motbob wrote:
I've been keeping track of all the >20 minute games played against A- Koreans...


Is that games played or won? Sorry I'm lazy
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
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