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purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
December 09 2009 23:56 GMT
#2181
i'm speaking about ideal situation - chinese players without lag... f91 is without it but i don't know why he would stopped
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 09 2009 23:59 GMT
#2182
Cloud is Top 48 now! Fuck yeah! :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 10 2009 00:16 GMT
#2183
Insane fierce competition right now. A couple of days ago the cut was at 8800, now it's at 9200.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 01:49:51
December 10 2009 00:41 GMT
#2184
On December 10 2009 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 03:01 igotmyown wrote:

On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.

Your conclusion should be something like "if he plays 50 games and wins 60%, he'll make the top 12"

Saying he'll need 50 games at a 60% win rate fails to take into account the probability of a win streak.


Fine.

Probability he wins in n games at 60% win ratio: games required is (1200+140*n)/270
s.d.=sqrt(n*.6*.4)
+ Show Spoiler +

ARRAY([15 .. 50],[(15) = .55e-1, (16) = .45e-1, (17) = .67e-1, (18) = .81e-1, (19) = .81e-1, (20) = .81e-1, (21) = .18, (22) = .97e-1, (23) = .19, (24) = .12, (25) = .20, (26) = .21, (27) = .21, (28) = .22, (29) = .22, (30) = .23, (31) = .23, (32) = .24, (33) = .24, (34) = .25, (35) = .25, (36) = .37, (37) = .25, (38) = .37, (39) = .26, (40) = .37, (41) = .37, (42) = .38, (43) = .38, (44) = .38, (45) = .38, (46) = .50, (47) = .39, (48) = .50, (49) = .39, (50) = .50])

If he quits early, then I think we have to use markov chains, and I have to relook that up.
edit: using markov chains probability he wins in <=n games,
+ Show Spoiler +

ARRAY([12 .. 50],[(12) = .22e-2, (13) = .22e-2, (14) = .84e-2, (15) = .84e-2, (16) = .20e-1, (17) = .20e-1, (18) = .36e-1, (19) = .36e-1, (20) = .57e-1, (21) = .57e-1, (22) = .82e-1, (23) = .82e-1, (24) = .11, (25) = .11, (26) = .14, (27) = .14, (28) = .17, (29) = .17, (30) = .21, (31) = .21, (32) = .24, (33) = .24, (34) = .27, (35) = .27, (36) = .31, (37) = .31, (38) = .34, (39) = .34, (40) = .37, (41) = .37, (42) = .40, (43) = .40, (44) = .43, (45) = .43, (46) = .46, (47) = .46, (48) = .49, (49) = .49, (50) = .51])

Probability he hits B- and quits TSL/changes strategies.
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ARRAY([12 .. 50],[(12) = .36e-3, (13) = .36e-3, (14) = .75e-3, (15) = .75e-3, (16) = .13e-2, (17) = .13e-2, (18) = .18e-2, (19) = .18e-2, (20) = .25e-2, (21) = .25e-2, (22) = .32e-2, (23) = .32e-2, (24) = .39e-2, (25) = .39e-2, (26) = .46e-2, (27) = .46e-2, (28) = .52e-2, (29) = .52e-2, (30) = .59e-2, (31) = .59e-2, (32) = .66e-2, (33) = .66e-2, (34) = .72e-2, (35) = .72e-2, (36) = .78e-2, (37) = .78e-2, (38) = .83e-2, (39) = .83e-2, (40) = .89e-2, (41) = .89e-2, (42) = .94e-2, (43) = .94e-2, (44) = .98e-2, (45) = .98e-2, (46) = .10e-1, (47) = .10e-1, (48) = .11e-1, (49) = .11e-1, (50) = .11e-1])
vanTuni
Profile Joined October 2009
389 Posts
December 10 2009 01:05 GMT
#2185
^ i totally got that.
AraqirG
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States266 Posts
December 10 2009 01:22 GMT
#2186
boo math! First person to post a TSL in-game ceremony gets a digital cookie!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 01:25:46
December 10 2009 01:25 GMT
#2187
On December 10 2009 09:41 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On December 10 2009 03:01 igotmyown wrote:

On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.

Your conclusion should be something like "if he plays 50 games and wins 60%, he'll make the top 12"

Saying he'll need 50 games at a 60% win rate fails to take into account the probability of a win streak.


Fine.

Probability he wins in n games at 60% win ratio: games required is (1200+140*n)/270
s.d.=sqrt(n*.6*.4)
+ Show Spoiler +

ARRAY([15 .. 50],[(15) = .55e-1, (16) = .45e-1, (17) = .67e-1, (18) = .81e-1, (19) = .81e-1, (20) = .81e-1, (21) = .18, (22) = .97e-1, (23) = .19, (24) = .12, (25) = .20, (26) = .21, (27) = .21, (28) = .22, (29) = .22, (30) = .23, (31) = .23, (32) = .24, (33) = .24, (34) = .25, (35) = .25, (36) = .37, (37) = .25, (38) = .37, (39) = .26, (40) = .37, (41) = .37, (42) = .38, (43) = .38, (44) = .38, (45) = .38, (46) = .50, (47) = .39, (48) = .50, (49) = .39, (50) = .50])

If he quits early, then I think we have to use markov chains, and I have to relook that up.

haha i dont think math is going to cut it because there are too many variables that influence streaks that we can't define. if he found one tilting idiot, he could get 500+ points in a hurry. even without tilt, there are a lot of cases of pairs of similarly skilled players with lopsided results between them. if he played 1000 games against a huge sample of A- players and won 60% of them, there'd definitely be many cases of 90%+ win rates against individuals. i'm not sure how many 1000's of games of bw you have played, but if not many, then you probably havent observed this yourself, but you might be able to see some evidence of this by browsing match lists.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
December 10 2009 01:54 GMT
#2188
I wonder if Yan will last in TSL with all those short games lol
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 10 2009 01:55 GMT
#2189
On December 10 2009 10:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2009 09:41 igotmyown wrote:
On December 10 2009 04:25 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On December 10 2009 03:01 igotmyown wrote:

On December 09 2009 21:22 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
As I already said a few times..
It just depends on how much kolll is going to play..

If he plays as much as he can and really can play hardcore the next day he will even make top 12

I dont doubt his skills a single bit.. All will come down to how much he plays..


If Koll averages a 2/3 win ratio (and don't say WTF he's much better than that... Idra has a 68% win ratio and Koll currently has a 72%, and the first 30 to 40 games don't really count), Koll will average 40 points per game and need to play 30 games in the next day to make top 12 as it currently is.

He's currently 50% at A-. If he wins 60%, he'll need a little under 50 games to make top 12.

Your conclusion should be something like "if he plays 50 games and wins 60%, he'll make the top 12"

Saying he'll need 50 games at a 60% win rate fails to take into account the probability of a win streak.


Fine.

Probability he wins in n games at 60% win ratio: games required is (1200+140*n)/270
s.d.=sqrt(n*.6*.4)
+ Show Spoiler +

ARRAY([15 .. 50],[(15) = .55e-1, (16) = .45e-1, (17) = .67e-1, (18) = .81e-1, (19) = .81e-1, (20) = .81e-1, (21) = .18, (22) = .97e-1, (23) = .19, (24) = .12, (25) = .20, (26) = .21, (27) = .21, (28) = .22, (29) = .22, (30) = .23, (31) = .23, (32) = .24, (33) = .24, (34) = .25, (35) = .25, (36) = .37, (37) = .25, (38) = .37, (39) = .26, (40) = .37, (41) = .37, (42) = .38, (43) = .38, (44) = .38, (45) = .38, (46) = .50, (47) = .39, (48) = .50, (49) = .39, (50) = .50])

If he quits early, then I think we have to use markov chains, and I have to relook that up.

haha i dont think math is going to cut it because there are too many variables that influence streaks that we can't define. if he found one tilting idiot, he could get 500+ points in a hurry. even without tilt, there are a lot of cases of pairs of similarly skilled players with lopsided results between them. if he played 1000 games against a huge sample of A- players and won 60% of them, there'd definitely be many cases of 90%+ win rates against individuals. i'm not sure how many 1000's of games of bw you have played, but if not many, then you probably havent observed this yourself, but you might be able to see some evidence of this by browsing match lists.


You said probability of a win streak, not chance of a win streak.

And I quit :-)
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 10 2009 02:39 GMT
#2190
On December 10 2009 10:54 Amnesia wrote:
I wonder if Yan will last in TSL with all those short games lol


Yan knows how to play really well... I think he can adapt a 1v1 style... I've seen him lay late game too and it isn't half bad.
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Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
December 10 2009 05:03 GMT
#2191
You people and your math. What a downer.
It felt like gravity.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
December 10 2009 05:09 GMT
#2192
Hey look, Mamon is likely in now. And he only played 690 games to do it!
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 10 2009 05:18 GMT
#2193
4 out of the top 5 are Terrans. That probably tells you something about Fighting Spirit.
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-10 05:41:02
December 10 2009 05:40 GMT
#2194
I wish

Well it is most certainly better than hbr for T.
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Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
December 10 2009 05:58 GMT
#2195
Come on Eriador you can do it!

Also, to echo Holgerius: Good to see Cloud in the top 48.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
December 10 2009 06:08 GMT
#2196
On December 10 2009 14:09 integral wrote:
Hey look, Mamon is likely in now. And he only played 690 games to do it!


If nothing else, the most dedicated player :D Would be awesome if he actually qualified. What a story! eSPN would be all over that.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
December 10 2009 06:44 GMT
#2197
On December 10 2009 14:18 motbob wrote:
4 out of the top 5 are Terrans. That probably tells you something about Fighting Spirit.

To put things to perspective, 11 out of the top 48 are Terrans.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
December 10 2009 07:38 GMT
#2198
Why mamon kept playing I don't know, 9800 would've definitely been enough.
BMSL
Profile Joined December 2009
Ukraine19 Posts
December 10 2009 07:40 GMT
#2199
Nice try by White-Ra: he played few games to A+ and even olympic. He lost all of them :\ lossing about 500 points in tilt, but anyway good practise.
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
December 10 2009 07:46 GMT
#2200
Incontrol on tilt too, I recall him having ~9600 the other day. Almost certainly would've been enough.
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