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In my opinion, the actions taken upon Idra were appropriate considering his behaviour.
Of course, one could argue that as a progamer and one who contributes to TL and the esports community through streaming, commentating, and other such actions, he should be exempt from any punishment.
On the other hand, one must consider the fact that as a progamer, he is a role model to those who admire him and look up to him. Clearly his actions were aggressive and wrong, and I fear that if he had not been punished, others may have started behaving in a similar manner while streaming without fear of punishment.
Clearly, there are many ways to approach this little conundrum, but I am of the mind that TL took the right action in "banning" Idra. This will serve as a message to other streamers and players that it is not okay to insult or be rude to other players just because of a loss or pre-existing, albeit unpleasant, history.
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On May 06 2011 12:28 Clearout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 12:25 Myersmayhem wrote:
Seriously even if IdrA's ban was all you did your ban just ruined a stream with commentary that 15-20k people were enjoying. thanks for the empathy ='/ It is Idra himself choosing not to stream. He even requested his stream not showing on the featured list. I can't see how that is any mods fault at all.
Both sides of the arguement, IdrA and the Mods, are justified. But honestly IdrA needs to recognize that TL isn't a place to haphazardly "talk shit". IdrA honestly just overreacted and decided to cut streaming in order for TL to seem at fault for the situation.
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On May 06 2011 12:46 adeezy wrote:
What's with IdrA fans... its like they got progressively worse. There wasn't this much attention or cry over his 30 day ban for insulting manifesto. speaking of manifesto... where is he.
Yeah, I was talking about that in the fan club. I don't think any of us blinked when he got the 30 day. Just, "Yeah, that's IdrA." I think it's a bunch of new people, not sure.
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Canada11264 Posts
Oh wow, this is hilarious by Kennigit:
Reason: I slit your throat over the roaring volcano and dance around in my bamboo dress
What in the world did knostradamus say to warrant this? Or is this what knostradamus wrote? Funny in any case.
...And Idra's fanclub is temporarily locked. lol.
On May 06 2011 12:46 adeezy wrote:
What's with IdrA fans... its like they got progressively worse. There wasn't this much attention or cry over his 30 day ban for insulting manifesto. speaking of manifesto... where is he.
Idra fan lynch mob. Without a doubt.
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On May 06 2011 12:46 adeezy wrote:
What's with IdrA fans... its like they got progressively worse. There wasn't this much attention or cry over his 30 day ban for insulting manlifesto. speaking of manlifesto... where is he.
Fixed that for you.. :-)
It's a good question you ask. Haven't seen him around lately...Where's Rekrul, we may need to arrange a search party 
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I can't help but feel that a good number of E-sports fans in general are part of this Idra fan lynch mob population. They just blindly follow whatever he says as truth, rejoice when he QQs or flames someone and just agrees with everything. I'm a fan as well but that doesnt mean you have to agree with everything he does or defend him if he does something clearly wrong.
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Mommas Boy was just banned by Kennigit.
That account was created on 2010-12-15 06:09:37 and had 144 posts.
Reason: waaa waa
Oh Kennigit, you make my day every time you ban someone. ^^
Why would you name yourself Mommas Boy? Your just asking to be banned. Its like dressing up as Hitler for Halloween. Everyone will just try to avoid you.
Edit- This comment is by no means attempting to offend anyone, besides Mommas Boy.
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United States11390 Posts
On May 06 2011 12:57 adeezy wrote:
I can't help but feel that a good number of E-sports fans in general are part of this Idra fan lynch mob population. They just blindly follow whatever he says as truth, rejoice when he QQs or flames someone and just agrees with everything. I'm a fan as well but that doesnt mean you have to agree with everything he does or defend him if he does something clearly wrong.
And there are just as many "anti-fans" who basically do the exact same thing.
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Dear Mods,
could you please point out what Idra contributes that allows him to undermine TL rules and standards? Looking through his recent posts, there is a lot of balance whining, talk about how easy sc2 is and organizational information in his own interest. No real contribution to this site imo.
And in addition he challenges your authority like a bully, who is testing his own strength and importance by trying to piss you off and make your job as though as possible.
So what does he bring to this site other then his fanboys, which are trying to follow his lead and martyr themselves.
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On May 06 2011 13:12 MoYoG wrote:
Dear Mods,
could you please point out what Idra contributes that allows him to undermine TL rules and standards? Looking through his recent posts, there is a lot of balance whining, talk about how easy sc2 is and organizational information in his own interest. No real contribution to this site imo.
And in addition he challenges your authority like a bully, who is testing his own strength and importance by trying to piss you off and make your job as though as possible.
So what does he bring to this site other then his fanboys, which are trying to follow his lead and martyr themselves.
Well, he is a professional StarCraft 2 player. It's not like he is pulling the complaints out of his ass. He plays zerg for a living. I think at the pro levels, you can see where there are "in-balances" in the game. And as much as other people think IdrA just whines, they most likely don't play zerg professionally, or they aren't out of gold league yet.
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On May 06 2011 13:12 MoYoG wrote:
Dear Mods,
could you please point out what Idra contributes that allows him to undermine TL rules and standards? Looking through his recent posts, there is a lot of balance whining, talk about how easy sc2 is and organizational information in his own interest. No real contribution to this site imo.
And in addition he challenges your authority like a bully, who is testing his own strength and importance by trying to piss you off and make your job as though as possible.
So what does he bring to this site other then his fanboys, which are trying to follow his lead and martyr themselves.
Puosu explained it earlier in this thread (way earlier^^): post
On December 31 2010 23:59 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 22:34 Shiragaku wrote:
Gah. For some reason, I doubt IdrA would remain very long in the TL community if it was not for his skill at the game. I am quite sure he'd be long gone if he wasn't able to produce a few diamonds in the midst of all that shit. IdrA has made invaluable contributions to the strategy forum and his opinions on the state of the game are great to read whenever he actually feels like explaining his thought process. If only he was able to keep out all the vomit inducing bm and bannable content from his posts I feel like he would be considered one of the bigger contributors.
Edit - basically just search for idra bans and write down the time when it happened. And just jump to a page in this thread which corresponds to said date 
30day ban page (and the following) have some mods speaking about his contributions / special treatment (not being permed)
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On May 06 2011 12:09 Chill wrote:
This seems like a good avenue to raise this concern.
That's sarcasm. Calm down. I have 93 PMs so complaining about this ban via PM won't phase me.
I feel for you guys right now.
You didn't ask for this shitstorm but you have to deal with it. Wouldn't it be great if Pros were grateful for the service that TL provides. I mean both Cruncher and Idra showed serious lack of respect by bringing their personal spat to TL. Now Chill and co have to clean up.
I mean 93 PMs as of an hour ago, Sheesh!
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93 PMs wow. I dont see why people are so hurt about this, or do they think that his stream isnt on the TL tracker because of this? i guess no matter how much you post information, people are going to ask questions without reading a few posts above them, or trying to find an answer
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Australia8532 Posts
Wow can't believe it's taken me this long to catch up on all the commotion over the IdrA ban; pretty obvious what happened and the fact that it was only 2 days shows a fair amount of respect from the mods.
Appreciate the effort of responding to the ridiculous posts that it has generated; just another chapter in the IdrA v Cruncher rivalry :p
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On May 06 2011 13:49 L3g3nd_ wrote:
93 PMs wow. I dont see why people are so hurt about this, or do they think that his stream isnt on the TL tracker because of this? i guess no matter how much you post information, people are going to ask questions without reading a few posts above them, or trying to find an answer
http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit/status/66276394849673216
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you
What are the odds that joe fanboy takes the time to realize a TL ban doesn't prevent Idra from streaming?
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If this were a 2 week or perm ban, then people would have something to complain about. Given the circumstances and proximity (time wise) to the event, obviously he'll post in a more emotional state than normal. He didn't make post after post lambasting Cruncher. He made 1 post that, while insulting him, also encouraged people to drop the entire incident. Those circumstances, along with contributions, nets only a 2 day despite numerous past bans.
Whether or not you wholly agree with the ban doesn't even matter. It was deemed over the line and he only got 2 days. Sucks he might not stream because of it, but that's life.
This also shows how easy it is for people to get wrapped up and passionate about a meaningless event. This was IdrA streaming, and he might not for 2. whole. days. Just think about that in the grand scheme of things when you start flying off the handle.
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TL admins,
I admire yall for taking a stand with your rules. All because a guy is famous doesn't mean he is above the law. I am mainly a lurker(obvious by my post count),but the reason why I keep coming here is because of how clean the site is in threads. The threads that are not locked down by a hundred posts per minute are very readable. The only people complaining now are just trolls or Idra's super fanboys. Ignore them and make your stand.
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On May 06 2011 14:24 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
If this were a 2 week or perm ban, then people would have something to complain about. Given the circumstances and proximity (time wise) to the event, obviously he'll post in a more emotional state than normal. He didn't make post after post lambasting Cruncher. He made 1 post that, while insulting him, also encouraged people to drop the entire incident. Those circumstances, along with contributions, nets only a 2 day despite numerous past bans.
Whether or not you wholly agree with the ban doesn't even matter. It was deemed over the line and he only got 2 days. Sucks he might not stream because of it, but that's life.
This also shows how easy it is for people to get wrapped up and passionate about a meaningless event. This was IdrA streaming, and he might not for 2. whole. days. Just think about that in the grand scheme of things when you start flying off the handle.
People are mad because he said on his stream he will be free to stream (while commentating b/c of the bet with JP) the rest of the week though Saturday. If it was just his normal streaming I don't think ppl would be all that upset... It is the fact that everyone is now missing out on 2 days of his stream with commentary. I personally can say that I have learned a ton while listening to the logic behind his play the past 2 days. It is kinda annoying that everyone will miss out on it for the next 2 just because of some silly comments on TL.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
all this cry over a 2 day ban,crazy.
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On May 06 2011 14:31 AresHero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 14:24 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
If this were a 2 week or perm ban, then people would have something to complain about. Given the circumstances and proximity (time wise) to the event, obviously he'll post in a more emotional state than normal. He didn't make post after post lambasting Cruncher. He made 1 post that, while insulting him, also encouraged people to drop the entire incident. Those circumstances, along with contributions, nets only a 2 day despite numerous past bans.
Whether or not you wholly agree with the ban doesn't even matter. It was deemed over the line and he only got 2 days. Sucks he might not stream because of it, but that's life.
This also shows how easy it is for people to get wrapped up and passionate about a meaningless event. This was IdrA streaming, and he might not for 2. whole. days. Just think about that in the grand scheme of things when you start flying off the handle. People are mad because he said on his stream he will be free to stream (while commentating b/c of the bet with JP) the rest of the week though Saturday. If it was just his normal streaming I don't think ppl would be all that upset... It is the fact that everyone is now missing out on 2 days of his stream with commentary. I personally can say that I have learned a ton while listening to the logic behind his play the past 2 days. It is kinda annoying that everyone will miss out on it for the next 2 just because of some silly comments on TL.
It's not TL's fault that IdrA is not streaming. He just decided not to stream while he's banned as a form of protest for being banned. I personally think it's stupid considering he was getting 15k-20k viewers while he was streaming with analysis. I too learned a lot and am sad that he's not going to be streaming while banned. The staff just can't unban him because of this though, that'll undermine their authority.
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