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On February 08 2011 07:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I think where my issue comes is, after 11,000 posts and many years, a certain amount of familiarity grows between everybody. Seriously, think about that. He has been a member of this site for many years. He has contributed, been interviewed, and participated in events on a weekly or daily basis. Even if you're not a mod or above the law, that familiarity breeds a level of comfort.
While I can't say for certain what IdrA's frame of mind is when he posts, I think banning for what is, at best, a poke at a moderator seems ridiculous. It's not as though he entered the thread and called Manifesto a retard or a piece of shit. He did a light jab that in the context of recent events (which is key, since it's not as though it was out of the blue) that was obviously meant to be funny. In that regard, I can see if you want to draw a line and say "no insulting of moderators, ever", but at the same time I think making IdrA the whipping boy (even if he deserves it at times) over it seems semi ridic.
Obviously I'm not privy to all the information and Manifesto's Garfield comics tend to point that there is obviously a lot more conflict behind the scenes, so I could be ridiculous far off base. If those (behind the scenes issues) are the primary reason for the ban, then I can't really speak on the matter. If it's solely based upon that post and his previous bans/comments that I think it is overblown.
Seems ridiculous? The Tempban/warning system is in place so that people can shape up their posts and make this community better than it is. If it was lenient then there would be MUCH more imba cries, troll fests, memes, you name it. The users who do these things are consequently warned and sometimes shape up. Those who ignore warnings time after time are banned immediately because obviously they don't want to change.
If you have kept up with the Ban List (something I like to do). Idra was temp banned for the same thing 3 times. All for poking at Manifesto. It may seem ridiculous because its 30 days and what not but he is simply getting the treatment that other community members do. Not to mention it's at one of the moderators of the website who work hard to improve the starcraft 2 community. Nazgul said in the other thread what they did is actually lenient because since hes a well known pro player he was able to do what others did 10 times. If IdrA wasn't a pro he wouldve been banned I think.
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At this point you might as well rename the Idra fan thread to "Idra ban dicussion thread".
I'm curious to see if the hammer will one day fall, i have a feeling it will not
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What IdrA said was spitefull, yet humorous. In another context it would have been a great laugh but the thing is there is a time and place for everything.
What IdrA said was at the wrong time, at the wrong place and to the wrong person.
While it could be taken as an innocent poke in some situations clearly it wasnt the case. I dont know the full history between the two but when you have a dozen temp bans and previously insulted the moderator that he insults once again then you are not "poking at a moderator", it's an insult not only to his person but to his job as a moderator.
I would personally have permanently banned him a long time ago but I understand TL's reasons for keeping him around.
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On February 08 2011 00:22 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 23:12 Telcontar wrote:On February 07 2011 22:38 clickrush wrote:On February 07 2011 22:12 Sonictonic wrote:
How many times have they told Idra he would be permed if he kept acting like a tool?
Hollow threats are never a good thing, though I do understand they wanting to keep him around, he might actually post something good like he did sometime(in a galaxy far far away) in bw. I think otherwise. some of the bans like the last ones where he tried to make fun of manifesto for example show something else: I doubt that anyone has taken idras comments seriously. the problem is rather that ppl will mimic him. and he knows that I think. the guy just has a very special kind of humor If by 'special' you mean immature and obnoxious, I agree. There's nothing clever or innovative about his attempts at being funny. Maybe he doesn't realise people are laughing AT him rather than with him which is pretty pitiful to be honest. Grown men getting annoyed at nothing is pretty funny. If someone posted an equally abrasive response as yours against the mods and for IdrA; they'd be banned instantly. I still don't see why IdrA shouldn't be regarded as an equal to the mods. Every other article on this website is about him. He's given up more and creates more interest than everyone else put together. This just seems like a mod fueled ego-trip to me. This ban serves no purpose other than to alienate IdrA fans and make TL more boring.
I think you FAR over value Idra's "pull". To suggest that he should be an equal to the mods, or that every other article on the site is about him, and ESPECIALLY that he generates more interest than everyone else put together is so incredibly infuriating and insulting to everyone who has made this site what it is today, from top players, admins, writers, sponsors, uploaders, and everyone else who has contributed to this site long before anyone knew who the fuck Idra was.
This is also not the first time you've done this. I don't know if you could even create a single-handedly more offensive comment than this, the worst part being that you can't even see beyond your blind fanboyism to realize how insulting you are.
I know you're a newer poster here (you've only been here since 2008, TL.net has been around since LONG before then), but you should stop presuming you have a clue what the relationship between Idra and this site is - but only a fraction of it is even public. To call it a "mod fueled ego-trip" is again condescending and demeaning to everything TL has accomplished over the years.
I suggest you stop wallowing in your ignorance and manner up. TL was doing fine long before Idra became a household name, and we'll do just fine even if he wasn't here. And this statement is coming from someone who happens to like Idra.
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On February 08 2011 03:51 rei wrote:
what's ganna happen to idra next time nazgul goes to korea and meet him in real life?
Absolutely nothing. I've banned Idra before then met him IRL and we got along fine (I even poured him a screwdriver that I think might've been a little too strong lol).
I don't think Idra has a single ban under his belt that he can say he doesn't understand - he's a very smart guy, he knows why we have to do what we do.
On February 08 2011 05:56 Megaliskuu wrote:
Even then he'd be allowed back, albeit on a very tight leash, remember gosi[terran]?
Eh? That idiot was perm banned and we didn't allow him back.
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On February 08 2011 09:08 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 00:22 Klive5ive wrote:On February 07 2011 23:12 Telcontar wrote:On February 07 2011 22:38 clickrush wrote:On February 07 2011 22:12 Sonictonic wrote:
How many times have they told Idra he would be permed if he kept acting like a tool?
Hollow threats are never a good thing, though I do understand they wanting to keep him around, he might actually post something good like he did sometime(in a galaxy far far away) in bw. I think otherwise. some of the bans like the last ones where he tried to make fun of manifesto for example show something else: I doubt that anyone has taken idras comments seriously. the problem is rather that ppl will mimic him. and he knows that I think. the guy just has a very special kind of humor If by 'special' you mean immature and obnoxious, I agree. There's nothing clever or innovative about his attempts at being funny. Maybe he doesn't realise people are laughing AT him rather than with him which is pretty pitiful to be honest. Grown men getting annoyed at nothing is pretty funny. If someone posted an equally abrasive response as yours against the mods and for IdrA; they'd be banned instantly. I still don't see why IdrA shouldn't be regarded as an equal to the mods. Every other article on this website is about him. He's given up more and creates more interest than everyone else put together. This just seems like a mod fueled ego-trip to me. This ban serves no purpose other than to alienate IdrA fans and make TL more boring. I think you FAR over value Idra's "pull". To suggest that he should be an equal to the mods, or that every other article on the site is about him, and ESPECIALLY that he generates more interest than everyone else put together is so incredibly infuriating and insulting to everyone who has made this site what it is today, from top players, admins, writers, sponsors, uploaders, and everyone else who has contributed to this site long before anyone knew who the fuck Idra was.This is also not the first time you've done this. I don't know if you could even create a single-handedly more offensive comment than this, the worst part being that you can't even see beyond your blind fanboyism to realize how insulting you are. I know you're a newer poster here (you've only been here since 2008, TL.net has been around since LONG before then), but you should stop presuming you have a clue what the relationship between Idra and this site is - but only a fraction of it is even public. To call it a "mod fueled ego-trip" is again condescending and demeaning to everything TL has accomplished over the years. I suggest you stop wallowing in your ignorance and manner up. TL was doing fine long before Idra became a household name, and we'll do just fine even if he wasn't here. And this statement is coming from someone who happens to like Idra.
Yeah. Without TL there wouldn't have been much of a foreigner scene anyway. Probably wouldn't have been an estro superstars tourny that resulted in idra going to korea in the first place. I think it's on the contrary rather, idra and every other pro can thank teamliquid for a lot of things.
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I honestly can't believe he's done this time and again, knowing what the outcome will be. Or perhaps he doesn't, that sounds like something..
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
I guess thankfully I follow him on twitter so I can know when his stream goes live.
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Harrison Bergeron was just temp banned for 1 week by KwarK.
That account was created on 2011-02-04 23:36:10 and had 11 posts.
At least he got caught before doing too much damage, thanks Kwark, Manifesto, TheMango and Jibba for acting swiftly and decisively 
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i think idra just posts to get banned. i think he thinks it's funny.
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On January 25 2011 08:19 Chill wrote:Again, if you ever have any problems with moderation here, please do not hesitate to PM the moderator directly, or an administrator above them. You can find a staff listing here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80495However, please do not post snide jabs at the moderators in passing. It accomplishes nothing.
I speak from experience, the mods are very reasonable and willing to talk it out.
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On February 08 2011 00:39 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 00:22 Klive5ive wrote:
Grown men getting annoyed at nothing is pretty funny.
If someone posted an equally abrasive response as yours against the mods and for IdrA; they'd be banned instantly.
I still don't see why IdrA shouldn't be regarded as an equal to the mods. Every other article on this website is about him. He's given up more and creates more interest than everyone else put together. This just seems like a mod fueled ego-trip to me.
This ban serves no purpose other than to alienate IdrA fans and make TL more boring. You can run your site as you like. On mine I ask everyone including players to respect the staff that makes all of this possible. I will stand for that and have stood for that, and no matter whether it makes TL boring or nobody comes here anymore it will always stay that way. TL as it is today is the result of that vision.
naz stood for u mani
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I think us posting about it is just making the drama more intense than it really is. Idra posts like a troll because he knows he can get away with it. He jabs knowing he'll get banned, again, because he can get away with it. The mods ban him, well, because it's their job. Eventually, Idra will stop finding it funny, and stop jabbing the mods, and the mods will stop banning him. :D
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I just found this in the "Why is there Overpopulation and Population Growth"-Thread and I can't tell whether he's being a dick or just stupid, but according to him this is the reason for overpopulation.
On February 08 2011 17:01 29 fps wrote:
third world countries probably dont have much to do in terms of entertainment, so they have lots and lots of unprotected sex.
and our resources are finite, so too many people means not enough resources to go around.
I find this pretty offensive and ignorant.
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On February 08 2011 09:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 05:56 Megaliskuu wrote:
Even then he'd be allowed back, albeit on a very tight leash, remember gosi[terran]? Eh? That idiot was perm banned and we didn't allow him back.
okay now i am curious, what did gosi[terran] do since you call him and idiot xD? other than going out of TSL2 quickly
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On February 08 2011 19:50 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 09:12 EvilTeletubby wrote:On February 08 2011 05:56 Megaliskuu wrote:
Even then he'd be allowed back, albeit on a very tight leash, remember gosi[terran]? Eh? That idiot was perm banned and we didn't allow him back. okay now i am curious, what did gosi[terran] do since you call him and idiot xD? other than going out of TSL2 quickly
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=GosI[Terran]
Check his posts, see if you find a single coherent intelligent reply in there.
But I think he got banned for bitching about payment from TSL sponsors.
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United States43643 Posts
On February 08 2011 15:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 00:39 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 08 2011 00:22 Klive5ive wrote:
Grown men getting annoyed at nothing is pretty funny.
If someone posted an equally abrasive response as yours against the mods and for IdrA; they'd be banned instantly.
I still don't see why IdrA shouldn't be regarded as an equal to the mods. Every other article on this website is about him. He's given up more and creates more interest than everyone else put together. This just seems like a mod fueled ego-trip to me.
This ban serves no purpose other than to alienate IdrA fans and make TL more boring. You can run your site as you like. On mine I ask everyone including players to respect the staff that makes all of this possible. I will stand for that and have stood for that, and no matter whether it makes TL boring or nobody comes here anymore it will always stay that way. TL as it is today is the result of that vision. naz stood for u mani
HE STOOD FOR YOU! :D
I just tried to find that topic and couldn't 
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drky was just banned by EvilTeletubby. That account was created on 2010-12-22 11:25:35 and had 8 posts. Reason: Since you recommended I read an article on "freedom of speech", I likewise recommend you read the first rule on this forum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883#cmd01Now take your obliviously self-righteous attitude and find another website that caters to twits like you. I hear there are plenty of them on the intertubes.
Now he got what he deserves. I like the ban reason :D
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Invoking Godwin's law on line 2 of a long-winded rant about Idra, in his fanclub thread, no less.
Don't do that.
It looks more like a battlefield rather than a fanclub with all the red blood text these days but comparing Idra to Hitler was indeed a bit too much.
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To be completely fair, he didn't actually insult mani.
If I said what he said, for instance, Mani would have taken it as a complement (I hope).
You don't know exactly how he meant it, and the average TL'r would think him to be sincere ( I still don't get what's going on)...
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On February 09 2011 08:30 Apexplayer wrote:
To be completely fair, he didn't actually insult mani.
If I said what he said, for instance, Mani would have taken it as a complement (I hope).
You don't know exactly how he meant it, and the average TL'r would think him to be sincere ( I still don't get what's going on)...
Anyone who knows the context behind the comment (the history between Mani and Idra) knows that Idra's comment was meant to be insulting.
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