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European Store 14.03.2013

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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 06 2013 17:23 GMT
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Message from Liquid`Nazgul


After a long anticipated wait, we can finally announce that our European store will open one week from now. Our European store will be open to customers inside the European Union, offering them access to faster shipping and removing the need to pay local customs charges. Unfortunately, the European store will be limited to European Union only. Logistically, this was the best way for us to provide high quality service to the largest group of people.

Every time TL takes on a new project we face a learning curve, and the European store might have been the steepest yet. When we first mentioned our intentions of opening a European store, I can honestly say we didn't fully understand what we were getting ourselves into. Setting up a warehouse and store in the US had gone more or less smoothly, and we did not expect all of the unique problems involved in setting up in Europe. This past year we have spent a lot of time looking for new production and shipping partners, calculating prices, and taking care of countless small details. It took longer than expected, but moving forward it will allow us to have a much better foundation for the store. We're incredibly happy to finalize this process and open our European store.

It needs to be mentioned that we haven't been able to stick to our original pricing plan for the items. At first, we set out to provide faster shipping outside the US, eliminate customs charges, and maintain a near identical price to the US store. Although we were able to deliver on the first two goals, maintaining a similar base price turned out to be unrealistic, and the base cost on our EU store products is slightly higher. The main culprit here is VAT (value added tax), and the prices you will see in our store are with VAT included. For a more detailed explanation, please read our sales manager disciple's post below.

While shipping will be much faster for EU customers when compared to ordering from the US store, the total price after adding on shipping and handling will vary from product to product. In the case of some products, such as the hoodie, the total price will be noticeably cheaper (about 6 Euros) than ordering from the US store. But for the most part the total price with shipping and handling will be similar whether ordering from the US or EU store. In cases of orders of 2 items or more, EU store customers should save significantly on shipping compared to the US store.

In short...

  • The European store can only ship to European Union member countries.
  • The base price of EU store products is higher than the NA store due to VAT, while shipping and handling from the EU store is cheaper.
  • The total price of buying products from the EU store including shipping and handling is similar to the total price of buying from the NA store.
  • Shipping time from the EU store is significantly faster than from the NA store.
  • Shipping costs for orders of 2 or more items should be significantly cheaper than from the NA store.
  • The Golden Rule - all items included to the order after the most expensive one get charged 50% of their full shipping rate.
  • Shipping rates for the UK are even lower. The Golden Rule applies for all orders in the UK as well

One year after first announcing the European Store, I'm proud to say we have learned a lot and have something great to show for it. The TeamLiquid store has set up shop on two continents, and can provide better service to even more esports fans around the world.


The Full Monty - EU Store Pricing


ItemEU Store PriceEU ShippingEU Total PriceUS vs. EU**
3S Shirt18.956.0024.951.16
Winged Horse Shirt15.956.0021.951.24
3S Poster9.956.0015.95-0.92
Classic Poster 7.956.0013.950.15
TSL Poster5.956.0011.95-0.31
Hoodie49.9512.0061.95-6.41
3S Pack42.9512.0054.952.30
Mousepad19.999.0028.99-2.52

*All prices in Euros, with VAT already included.
**Price difference for EU resident ordering a single item from TeamLiquid's EU store compared to the US store. Green is cheaper, red is more expensive.

The Golden Rule about Shipping


All items included to the order after the most expensive item get charged 50% of their full shipping rate.

European UnionShipping
Shirts and Posters€6 + 50% for the next item added
Mousepads€9 + 50% for the next item added
Hoodies€12 + 50% for the next item added


United KingdomShipping
Shirts and Posters€5 + 50% for the next item added
Mousepads€7 + 50% for the next item added
Hoodies€7 + 50% for the next item added

With the EU Store we are delighted to announce new shipping rate calculation system which is consistent and easy to understand across all items. The Golden Rule in this case means that all items included to the order after the most expensive one get charged 50% of their full shipping rate. For example if you've ordered a hoodie and a shirt, you will pay 15 Euros for both - 12 for the hoodies and just 3 for the shirt. In case all items you've purchased cost the same, for example a Spirit and a Swarm shirt, the 50% rule still applies, so you will just pay 6 Euros for the shipping of the Spirit shirt and 3 for the Swarm. On top of the convenience this new system is providing, the customers are going to save a significant amount of money when they place orders for multiple items. Also, because our warehouse is based in the UK, those ordering from within the country will enjoy even cheaper base shipping rates.


Some Sample Orders


Here are some examples of orders from the EU store to demonstrate how our pricing and shipping might work out. For the most part, orders with multiple items will be much cheaper!

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For some combinations of items, it's actually a bit cheaper for a European to order from the US store... but shipping is still MUCH faster from the EU store.



The Elephant in the Room: VAT


disciple, TeamLiquid Store Manager


The huge factor in the EU store prices is the common VAT charged on all goods sold across the European Union member nations. I'm sure all my fellow European TLers have a general idea about this tax – why it is paid and why it is such an integral part of the economy in the Union. The VAT in Europe is much higher than the equivalent sales taxes in the US, and it is a major part of doing business here, from setting up our price list for the products to determining the shipping rates for the packages.

The VAT in the Union is approximately 20% of the sold good's value, with some differences depending on country and trade situation. For the purposes of the TL Europe store, it will suffice to say that our warehouse is based in the UK, and thus all our orders inside the European Union are going to be charged with the UK VAT rate of 20%.

Keeping up with the VAT regulations and rules hasn't been easy. For some time we thought we could avoid paying VAT altogether, as we thought we could stay under specific VAT-free sales thresholds for the UK and other Union countries. But just recently the VAT regulation in the UK have been changed, making it mandatory for non-UK based companies to register for the VAT in the UK, regardless the volume of their business. Thus, having our warehouse in the UK meant that our trade was immediately subject to the 20% VAT starting the 1st of December 2012. This forced to us to immediately re-evaluate our prices and shipping rates.

Originally, our goal was to achieve the same prices for our products as in our NA Store, as we strongly believe in treating our community fairly. Unfortunately, that goal is no longer achievable for us. Looking back, starting the venture with this expectation was naïve to some extent, as it's not uncommon to find goods being sold more expensively in Europe than the US. Our lack of knowledge at the time misled our European customers to think we could offer our items in Europe for a lower price. I sincerely regret fueling false expectations, as my intention was always to try and provide our customers with the best value for their money. Still, I firmly believe the EU store improves the conditions for our European customers dramatically in many regards, but at the same time I can understand the disappointment some of you might have now seeing our prices and shipping rates, having waited a whole year.

On the whole, the VAT-included price increase on our goods compared with the NA store is 15%. We've tried to lower the prices wherever we could to make up for the 20% VAT. When you take shipping and handling into account, the total price of buying items from the EU store is about the same as buying from the NA store (with the exception of the hoodie – more on that below). In that sense, there's not much of a price benefit we can offer our European customers by opening the EU store. But there's still a couple of ways the EU store can benefit our EU customers greatly.

First and foremost, customers of the EU store will enjoy much improved shipping. Thanks to her majesty's Royal Mail, shipping across Europe will take approximately 3 to 5 days business days. That's a lot less frustration than waiting four weeks for a package from the US. Naturally shipping inside the UK is going to be even faster and cheaper. Additionally, the shipping costs for orders of two items or more should be noticeably cheaper when ordering from the EU store.

Additionally, a few of the items actually will be cheaper to order from the EU store, once you take shipping and handling into account. Notably, the TL Hoodie is around 6 Euros (around 9%) cheaper for Europeans to order from the EU store. The TeamLiquid Razer Goliathus mousemat and some of our posters are slightly cheaper as well.

Finally, there's no risk of eating an additional customs charge on imported goods. While many packages manage to slip under the customs radar, in strictly legal terms, a tax must be paid on goods imported from the states into the EU. For example, if you lived in Sweden and order from the US store, there was a chance that customs would slap 25% tax on top of the item price and shipping. With the EU store there's no risk of having to pay that kind of "hidden" cost.



Thanks for waiting, we hope you will have fun with it.


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Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
March 06 2013 20:11 GMT
#2
Finally!!!
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
March 06 2013 20:12 GMT
#3
European brethrens, rejoice.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
March 06 2013 20:12 GMT
#4
This is awesome!
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
March 06 2013 20:12 GMT
#5
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
March 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#6
Asked by someone in IRC, will the European store sell TSL4 shirts?
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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
March 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#7
Unfortunately, the European store will be limited to European Union only. Logistically, this was the best way for us to provide high quality service to the largest group of people.


Well, fuck
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
March 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#8
I live in America, but this seems quite awesome for a large amount of people. Nice work!
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Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
March 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#9
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
March 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#10
Awesome, good to see it's finally launched, shame about the prices, but you can't win 'em all : D
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Clafou
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium921 Posts
March 06 2013 20:14 GMT
#11
Thank you TL!

So I suppose it's now time to order a hoodie and have the Liquid Rising poster!
DuBlooNz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom103 Posts
March 06 2013 20:15 GMT
#12
WOO!!

This is really great news that now I can by TL stuff and show my nerdiness off to all of my friends
Follow me on Twitter @DuBlooNzSC2 (-_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)
Ohaio
Profile Joined January 2012
Switzerland24 Posts
March 06 2013 20:15 GMT
#13
First thank you for the information on the store!
But what about Switzerland? Are we screwed over because we are not a member of the EU?
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
March 06 2013 20:15 GMT
#14
Yay, great news (even though I'm in Canada)! Also, TIL that the UK is part of the EU (after some Googling fact-checking). I had always thought the UK was a holdout, but I guess they are just a holdout when it comes to adopting the Euro currency. Turns out that the UK joined the EU's predecessor, which later became the EU.
Plat Support Main #believe
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
March 06 2013 20:16 GMT
#15
Will be interesting to see if I'm in the EU or not.
HOLY CHECK!
Hauptl
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany4 Posts
March 06 2013 20:16 GMT
#16
On March 07 2013 05:12 kollin wrote:
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*THANK LIQUID NAZGUL <3
Awesome man waited so long for this, finally i can order the hoodie+ t-shirts without waiting so long
Kenny_oro
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany368 Posts
March 06 2013 20:17 GMT
#17
On March 07 2013 05:14 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, the European store will be limited to European Union only. Logistically, this was the best way for us to provide high quality service to the largest group of people.


Well, fuck


As usual Switzerland is doomed - The customs duty and regulations of that are a pain in the ass if you want to sell something to people living in CH
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
March 06 2013 20:18 GMT
#18
I know how it feels to have to pay a decent amount more for something due to having to import it.
Glad that TL is doing this for all the European people out there!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 20:24:43
March 06 2013 20:18 GMT
#19
On March 07 2013 05:14 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unfortunately, the European store will be limited to European Union only. Logistically, this was the best way for us to provide high quality service to the largest group of people.


Well, fuck


lol

Great news for the rest! Somehow the shipping still feels expensive but I think I will finally grab a Hoodie now.

Edit: At least the risk of custom charge is gone . I got busted last time when I ordered T-shirts...
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
March 06 2013 20:18 GMT
#20
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Cracked me up way too much.
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