EPTAnna Prosser for Miss USA - Page 43
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Frail
Iceland336 Posts
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
On June 13 2011 01:59 Samhax wrote: I actually have a science background, so i know exactly how the word "theory" is used. You really don't, and please don't say you do, you are gonna give me a brain tumor. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On June 13 2011 03:26 diehilde wrote: well from what I gather, people are upset about a twitter msg where she stated she actually believes in intelligent design, not the youtube interview. Sure, even if you "believe" in evolution, giving some opportunist answer in an interview in order to get as much votes from all kinds of people as possible, that can be critizised but its at least understandable. But actually believing in creationism not only can be critizised but for many people its plain not understandable. Edit: Also, Im kind of fed up with all the threads where any sort of criticism should be taken elsewhere. Why dont we have two threads for everything, one for positive, encouraging comments and one for criticism? I mean honestly, I thought threads are for discussion of the topic. And criticizing someone for a personal belief when the topic is about voting for him/her in a popularity contest is pretty much on topic for me. Sure, no need to turn this into a general debate of evolution against creationism, but discussing the personality of a contestant in a thread like this can not seriously be considered off topic. Critizising her for believing in creationism is exactly the same thing as when you write "She is awesome, she likes gaming!!". I didnt see anybody complain about comments like these... Better question for you. Why do you feel the need to be public with your criticism? You can't PM? Do you feel the need to have everyone see your criticism and have it validated? | ||
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Forak
Netherlands64 Posts
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hicks91
United Kingdom50 Posts
On June 13 2011 04:47 Risen wrote: Better question for you. Why do you feel the need to be public with your criticism? You can't PM? Do you feel the need to have everyone see your criticism and have it validated? Because she is in a public competition where we are expected to vote for her. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On June 13 2011 03:08 hicks91 wrote: I've stated before this isn't an attack on religion (creationism isn't integral to most religions and most mainstream christians/muslims/hindus etc accept that it isn't true) but as you wish, i will take this to pms. isnt intelligent design, or some variation of it integral to Christianity if you also believe in things such as the world only being 6000 years old, god designing all the animals, stuff like that? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
The Religious Debate!!! Go find a thread that isn't absolutely ruined by a bunch of people going over and over and over the most beaten dead horse on the planet. | ||
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Forak
Netherlands64 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On June 13 2011 04:52 Forak wrote: Evolution is as much a fact as anything that can be supported by scientific evidence can possibly be. While obviously it's disappointing to see someone so misguided as to adhere to creationism, people are a product of their surroundings after all, and considering she's from America it can't truly be held against her, or anyone for that matter. edit: following incontrols commands  | ||
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Starcraftplaylist
194 Posts
I recommend everyone to see this fun TED talk about the subject: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html Anyway, I wish you good luck in the contest. | ||
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novat
Great Britain33 Posts
Might not even be a wise thing to say, since it's hard to believe that people want a Miss USA that's made fun of by the majority of developed countries, but that's not for me to judge. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Support her as she has helped the community, not based on views that have 0 effect on E-Sports or her contributions. This is no different than your views on Pageants and their worth. Even if you don't support pageants, don't you support someone who can only be an advantage and propeller to StarCraft II and this community? | ||
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TheLaddergoat
United Kingdom34 Posts
Then Obi Wan did a backflip and a barrel roll. And that is why we give each other presents on christmas. Anna is ossim, as are all those who partake in the growth of esports and the development of our community, vote for her "Peace out yo" :- Darth Vader 1987-Present Day | ||
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NeonGenesis
Norway260 Posts
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haer
Sweden15 Posts
I mean, it was the equivalent of "Should schools teach science?" and of course they should. And her answer was extremely PC for an american audience. In a country where the religious weirdos that hate science don't hold that much power. Her answer would not be PC at all. But this is an american competition and of course they will play to some of the weird values that still exist in the american society. | ||
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novat
Great Britain33 Posts
On June 13 2011 06:50 Torte de Lini wrote: Not sure why this changes anything about supporting her? Support her as she has helped the community, not based on views that have 0 effect on E-Sports or her contributions. This is no different than your views on Pageants and their worth. Even if you don't support pageants, don't you support someone who can only be an advantage and propeller to StarCraft II and this community? Godwin's law inc: Would you support her if she was a nazi and pro racial segregation because the views she holds have nothing to do with E-Sports? I'm not implying that what she said it is the same or should be treated equally but the argument is just not valid. For some people it does make a difference for some it doesn't. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 13 2011 07:05 lisN wrote: Godwin's law inc: Would you support her if she was a nazi and pro racial segregation because the views she holds have nothing to do with E-Sports? I'm not implying that what she said it is the same or should be treated equally but the argument is just not valid. For some people it does make a difference for some it doesn't. If her views actually had any weight or power, then no I wouldn't. If her views actually harmed, caused the death or mistreatment of others, then no I wouldn't. Anything else? | ||
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Starcraftplaylist
194 Posts
On June 13 2011 07:09 Torte de Lini wrote: If her views actually had any weight or power, then no I wouldn't. If her views actually harmed, caused the death or mistreatment of others, then no I wouldn't. Anything else? Do you really think a persons believes are harmless unless they can act on them in a direct way? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 13 2011 07:17 Starcraftplaylist wrote: Do you really think a persons believes are harmless unless they can act on them in a direct way? I don't think I said that. Did I? I said I'd support her due to an aspect I respect. If her views had any of the above, then I wouldn't. I don't see where I said a person's beliefs were harmless if not acted upon them. I'm purely speaking from a support or unsupportive stance, not what one's beliefs, values or moral are or are not. | ||
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haer
Sweden15 Posts
While i do think that intelligent design is a bunch of crap. She did not say "I think children should be forcefed religious propaganda". She did say that SHE believe in it. And a persons are entitled to believe in anything he or she wants. And since she supports the separation of church and state, i can't see anything wrong with her believing in it. Just like i can thing it's a crappy theory. So, can't understand this debate at all. | ||
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