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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 09:45 R3demption wrote:
Wow, looking at that list of bans it seems you guys have had a double standard for Idra for awhile...
Idra Pros:
He's a great player
He has a huge following
He is very famous
Idra Cons:
His atttitude
I dont even think I could ban him just from the amount of people he can bring to a place.. but then again his posts are usually not great. He is an angry man.
The initial ban was a bit too much for my taste, idra's ban history or not.
But the 90day one is deserved I guess. Idra is a great player as we can all agree, brings a lot to the scene, blablabla, but that's not the issue here. ffs - "everyone pm chill if this upsets you" ? Seriously ?
Right now it doesn't even come down to idra/cruncher being right/wrong.
I don't mean to sound rude, but that's just pure manipulation.
Bm or calling someone names is one thing, but using your fans like that ? I don't know how much of it was deliberate action or just trying to screw with chill for the shits & giggles, still if I were one of those ppl who sent those messages I would feel pretty used at this point ;p.
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Hyrule19197 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:06 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 09:59 eMazing wrote:On May 08 2011 09:57 Serpico wrote:On May 08 2011 09:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 08 2011 09:52 Dandel Ion wrote:Whoa whoa, I  just had a  Flash of Genius!  CrunCher can't be proven to have streamcheated. But neither can IdrA be proven to intend to harrass Chill with that statement. No evidence. Sick how my mind works, huh? yes he can, he posted it on his twitter dude nice attempt at being clever, but idra was wrong regardless of whether he wants to admit it or not How is that proof when you have to make assumptions and interpretations? Nothing was explicit. So when IdrA said that his actions where justified that doesn't mean anything either right? No it doesn't. Idra pretty much hates Cruncher so in his eyes his insults are justified. So what? He's an angry dude you should take everything he says with a grain of salt. IMO I don't see anything Idra recently did to warrent a 90 day ban, but from his history? Sure he has had plenty of bannable posts on TL.
The 90 day was a result of a discussion among IdrA and various TL staff members.
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Why in the blue hell are you giving him special treatment still? Let him leave his mark elsewhere.
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On May 08 2011 10:05 Drunken Master wrote:
Good. I dont know how you people can be a fan of him, with all the bad manners he displays.
His game play. You don't have to like the dude to like how he plays the game. Watch sports much?
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Good ban on Idra. Funny how idra can't get over a 2 day ban on TL and result in asking his fans to spam Chill. I mean, Idra already has a history of bans, 2 days should of mean nothing to him.
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I think it should have been harsher than 90 days considering his previous offences.
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On May 08 2011 10:02 MapleFractal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 07:40 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 07:39 Stark1 wrote:On May 08 2011 07:11 Chill wrote:On May 08 2011 07:09 Stark1 wrote:On May 08 2011 07:00 Chill wrote:On May 08 2011 06:59 shmee wrote:On May 08 2011 06:55 Chill wrote:On May 08 2011 06:53 shmee wrote:
I completely understand banning idra for his incendiary behavior, but has Team Liquid taken any action to punish Cruncher for ghosting idra's stream, which was the thing that started this whole mess? Does teamliquid have any kind of statement in regards to that? There's nothing wrong with joining the ladder at the same time as someone else. What action could we possibly take against that? So if you were streaming, and you got matched up against idra, and he magically knew everything you were doing only to find out later that he was checking your stream to see everything you were doing, you wouldn't have any problem with that? No. And thus TL continues to live up to its reputation for horrid, heavily biased moderation. How is A related to B? If someone beat me while I was streaming would I have a problem? No. So I'm biased? What? You're biased because you actively guarded Cruncher despite his admitted stream-cheating, then banned IdrA for calling him out on it. He admitted being on the stream but denied watching or listening to it during the game. I myself have had a stream open while waiting to play someone in bw and then asking them for the game once they finish the one they're in to avoid disturbing them. It's believable. You Honestly believe that Cruncher had his stream open to ask Idra for gamez? Give me some of what your smoking please LOL Im sorry but that's just silly. The mods make alot of assumtions towards to "vidictive" actions of Idra and then take the word of a different gamer that actions they took were solely to "snipe" Greg. Can we prove he cheated, No, HOWEVER it has been openly and publically admitted by professional players (SotG had a segment, Voiced By a TL member named Nony...) that they know people are stream ghosting them. Or at the very least know how to Ghost another persons stream, maybe he has 2 monitors and just didn't minimize it and realized after the game started and just was busy playing. Or maybe its EXACTLY what Cruncher says. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's standard procedure to leave the stream open when sniping its player. When the game is over, simply remove mute and listen to the commentary. If the stream is closed, the initial advertisement is very likely to destroy the chance to hear the full commentary. I'm in no way saying Tyler Ghosts or snipes for that matter, but why are we taking a persons word that they didn't cheat... Would you admit to cheating if someone asked you and had no proof when theres no real reprocusion or way to prove it? Show me someone who says Yes 100% of the time and I'll show you a liar. With the additional bit of a grudge between the two players why wouldn't it be reasonable to atleast assume that the good intentions portayed by TL moderation staff is not the whole truth either. Did Greg know that some hate Pm's would reach Chill, obviously, however admited by hot_bid there were not all hate. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:06 Hot_Bid wrote:On May 08 2011 08:05 Harem wrote:On May 08 2011 08:02 ViperaViRuS wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many PMs did Chill actually receive before the decision was made upon to temporarily ban for 90 days? In 20 hours, he received 178 PMs. Yeah he received a lot but there were quite a few positive ones I think, was like unwrapping presents and not knowing if it was an N64 or pile of dung. And that there are infact rational people that watch Idra as well, you continue to choose to focus on the shit and bile of the vocal minority. Their PM hate mail shouldn't be piled onto Gregs ban to this degree. Is harassment via PM or forum threads acceptable, no obviously not but considering you were given many rational responses from veiwers of both players and don't want to investigate, which we know you have the ability to do through the TSL information released to us and JTV vods, it seems unreasonable and EXTREMELY biased in this circumstance to not take any action against Cruncher for insighting this entire situation by furthur pursuing a grudge that fractures the community on a whole by acting in a manner unbefiting of a "pro player on TL".
Has Cruncher ever cheated before? No. Why would he start now? Especially when he is streaming?
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On May 08 2011 09:53 R3demption wrote:
Im loving the rivalry between Idra and Cruncher though. Just imagine the next big tournament they meet in. God willing it will be the finals! This is what sports is about and IMO is great for SC 2.
I hope this happens soon. Cruncher is going to have to get better to get into the finals of a big tournament though.
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On May 08 2011 10:05 Drunken Master wrote:
Good. I dont know how you people can be a fan of him, with all the bad manners he displays.
That's why people like him in the first place. Hes rude, eccentric, and loves attention.
+ Show Spoiler + Hes also pretty good at SC2
I honestly don't see how people can be fans of anyone who has no personality.
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Ohhhh to think... the type of player/person/figure Idra could be if he wasn't so bm
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On May 08 2011 10:05 Drunken Master wrote:
Good. I dont know how you people can be a fan of him, with all the bad manners he displays.
People like Rambo too, and all he does is shoot his gun and hit people in the face.
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On May 08 2011 10:08 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:05 Drunken Master wrote:
Good. I dont know how you people can be a fan of him, with all the bad manners he displays. His game play. You don't have to like the dude to like how he plays the game. Watch sports much?
Prolly this, I think that Christino Ronaldo is the biggest douchebag and crybaby there is in Football right now, but boy can he play good football/soccer. Same with Idra, guy his attitude is bad in my opinion, but I will not question the notion that he is a very very good Zerg player.
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Is it going to be common practice to ban people for twitter/facebook/ingame statements now? I saw ROOTdestiny using some pretty harsh language in regards to ppgBubbles the other day.
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On May 08 2011 10:08 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:06 R3demption wrote:On May 08 2011 09:59 eMazing wrote:On May 08 2011 09:57 Serpico wrote:On May 08 2011 09:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 08 2011 09:52 Dandel Ion wrote:Whoa whoa, I just had a Flash of Genius! CrunCher can't be proven to have streamcheated. But neither can IdrA be proven to intend to harrass Chill with that statement. No evidence. Sick how my mind works, huh? yes he can, he posted it on his twitter dude nice attempt at being clever, but idra was wrong regardless of whether he wants to admit it or not How is that proof when you have to make assumptions and interpretations? Nothing was explicit. So when IdrA said that his actions where justified that doesn't mean anything either right? No it doesn't. Idra pretty much hates Cruncher so in his eyes his insults are justified. So what? He's an angry dude you should take everything he says with a grain of salt. IMO I don't see anything Idra recently did to warrent a 90 day ban, but from his history? Sure he has had plenty of bannable posts on TL. The 90 day was a result of a discussion among IdrA and various TL staff members.
Well then we can't comment on that as we don't know what was said.
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thedeadhaji
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Naz, I'll buy you a beer next time we meet up.
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On May 08 2011 10:09 Spekulatius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:05 Drunken Master wrote:
Good. I dont know how you people can be a fan of him, with all the bad manners he displays. People like Rambo too, and all he does is shoot his gun and hit people in the face.
I fail to see the comparison. Rambo is awesome.
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Go watch 12 angry men 
I hope it will be of no consequence to his stream, if he did "commentary" as he did few days ago regularly he would be as useful (actually I'd say, more) as day9 in the education of starcraft "not-so-good" players.
I think TL mods shouldnt have brought up this and set it aflame. I'm pretty sure even the ones defending the "no 100% proof" POV tend to believe cruncher actually cheated.
I agree that IdrA should really start to think before trashtalking and stuff, but these shitstorms arent doing anything good for anybody.
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On May 08 2011 10:10 Swineflew wrote:
Is it going to be common practice to ban people for twitter/facebook/ingame statements now? I saw ROOTdestiny using some pretty harsh language in regards to ppgBubbles the other day.
Telling people to spam a mod on the forum and then saying it was justified and needed to the rest of the mods is sort of different =\.
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On May 08 2011 10:11 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:09 Spekulatius wrote:On May 08 2011 10:05 Drunken Master wrote:
Good. I dont know how you people can be a fan of him, with all the bad manners he displays. People like Rambo too, and all he does is shoot his gun and hit people in the face. I fail to see the comparison. Rambo is awesome.
Exactly. But you wouldn't call him extremely mannered, would you?
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