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On November 29 2011 14:28 GDR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 12:11 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 17:37 GDR wrote:On November 28 2011 16:30 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 16:22 GDR wrote:On November 28 2011 16:18 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 16:16 GDR wrote:On November 28 2011 16:12 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 14:07 GDR wrote:Apparently my brother tracked down my TeamLiquid account, and read this thread. Well, now he knows, haha. Now Brandon, stop reading this thread. Klondike I'm sorry.  You can play customs against me if you want! :3 the more important issue is: whos higher ranked? Hes rank 18... I'm rank 98 with 0 games played. Hes got me beat! Well, he would if Platinum was equal to Masters and 300+ games where equal to 0. And yeah, I guess this way is easier for me. Too bad I don't think he knows any embarrassing stories -- just tales about my stupidity. I mean if you can really call it stupidity... People who wear jackets in December are just pussies in my opinion. yeah i meant league  he cant make fun of you now for being gay since youre owning him at starcraft >  Well, I think I posted 50 odd pages back (or in another thread) how I thought he would feel. I said something along the line of, "My bother probably wouldn't really care if I came out as gay - he would just be mad at me for being better at Starcraft." Not those exact words but you get the point. It was just funny because he said he read a few posts, only 3-4, and that was one of them. His response was, "That is pretty much exactly how I feel." I found it pretty funny, haha. is your brother older or younger? supposedly the chance of you being gay increases as you have more older brothers. but i'm the oldest! Hes older by a number of years (3 almost 4). is your brother gay too :o No, not at all, haha. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 14:14 Silverfoxx wrote:On November 29 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 10:18 Match wrote:On November 29 2011 09:48 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 09:37 Match wrote:On November 29 2011 09:00 GDR wrote:
My heart is split between MKP and Huk... To introduce another would probably tear me apart.
Losira? :3 THOSE CHEEKS!!! Losira is so. fucking. cute. It's ridiculous. And seriously, those cheeks. ♥ I think Zerg players store their skill in their cheeks. Very possible. This is also why I have no skill as zerg. X3 You should play Protoss. It is the feminine race. :3
Oh, so THAT'S why I play Protoss <3
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On November 29 2011 14:28 GDR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 12:11 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 17:37 GDR wrote:On November 28 2011 16:30 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 16:22 GDR wrote:On November 28 2011 16:18 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 16:16 GDR wrote:On November 28 2011 16:12 adrenaLinG wrote:On November 28 2011 14:07 GDR wrote:Apparently my brother tracked down my TeamLiquid account, and read this thread. Well, now he knows, haha. Now Brandon, stop reading this thread. Klondike I'm sorry. You can play customs against me if you want! :3 the more important issue is: whos higher ranked? Hes rank 18... I'm rank 98 with 0 games played. Hes got me beat! Well, he would if Platinum was equal to Masters and 300+ games where equal to 0. And yeah, I guess this way is easier for me. Too bad I don't think he knows any embarrassing stories -- just tales about my stupidity. I mean if you can really call it stupidity... People who wear jackets in December are just pussies in my opinion. yeah i meant league he cant make fun of you now for being gay since youre owning him at starcraft > Well, I think I posted 50 odd pages back (or in another thread) how I thought he would feel. I said something along the line of, "My bother probably wouldn't really care if I came out as gay - he would just be mad at me for being better at Starcraft." Not those exact words but you get the point. It was just funny because he said he read a few posts, only 3-4, and that was one of them. His response was, "That is pretty much exactly how I feel." I found it pretty funny, haha. is your brother older or younger? supposedly the chance of you being gay increases as you have more older brothers. but i'm the oldest! Hes older by a number of years (3 almost 4). is your brother gay too :o No, not at all, haha. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 14:14 Silverfoxx wrote:On November 29 2011 11:35 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 10:18 Match wrote:On November 29 2011 09:48 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 09:37 Match wrote:On November 29 2011 09:00 GDR wrote:
My heart is split between MKP and Huk... To introduce another would probably tear me apart.
Losira? :3 THOSE CHEEKS!!! Losira is so. fucking. cute. It's ridiculous. And seriously, those cheeks. ♥ I think Zerg players store their skill in their cheeks. Very possible. This is also why I have no skill as zerg. X3 You should play Protoss. It is the feminine race. :3
Really?! The entire Zerg hierarchy is based on queens and the Queen of Blades makes for the best drag/cosplay in all of video game land and you're calling Protoss the feminine race?! I DISAGREE SIR!
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On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome.
Me too! Let's get some BBQ.
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On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ.
*raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef?
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On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef?
When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate  .
EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D.
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On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D.
You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig.
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On November 30 2011 01:02 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D. You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE beef too and eat it quite a bit. Love throwing a steak on the grill, one of my favorite meals. It's just not cue though.
We'd probably get into a fight because I have to put beans in my chili .
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On November 30 2011 01:19 Bortlett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 01:02 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D. You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE beef too and eat it quite a bit. Love throwing a steak on the grill, one of my favorite meals. It's just not cue though. We'd probably get into a fight because I have to put beans in my chili .
WTF?! Beans in your chili?! I think you're confusing BBQ with Tex Mex.
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On November 30 2011 01:20 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 01:19 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 01:02 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D. You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE beef too and eat it quite a bit. Love throwing a steak on the grill, one of my favorite meals. It's just not cue though. We'd probably get into a fight because I have to put beans in my chili . WTF?! Beans in your chili?! I think you're confusing BBQ with Tex Mex.
When I eat texas style chili, I feel like it's missing a dimension that the beans add. It's probably because that's what I grew up eating, and only learned about texas style chili a couple years ago.
And now I'm hungry .
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On November 30 2011 01:23 Bortlett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 01:20 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 01:19 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 01:02 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D. You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE beef too and eat it quite a bit. Love throwing a steak on the grill, one of my favorite meals. It's just not cue though. We'd probably get into a fight because I have to put beans in my chili . WTF?! Beans in your chili?! I think you're confusing BBQ with Tex Mex. When I eat texas style chili, I feel like it's missing a dimension that the beans add. It's probably because that's what I grew up eating, and only learned about texas style chili a couple years ago. And now I'm hungry .
I really want Frito Pie now...it's absolutely disgusting and terrible for you but it makes me drool like Homer Simpson.
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On November 29 2011 22:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 10:39 Barburas wrote:On November 29 2011 09:10 1Eris1 wrote:
I just read the first few pages of this thread, and holy shit, Mora is my new favorite poster on TL, and I'm not even gay. o_0
My question is, how do you guys perceive religion? Are any of you religious? Are any of you catholic o_o? What do you think is wrong with certain Religious views vs, homosexuality, and what would you say to them?
Sorry if some of this has already been asked -.- Personally I'm an agnostic athiest, There's no such thing. Agnostic = atheist. Both descriptions mean that you do not believe in a god. If by some miracle God appeared before us in all His Splendour and Glory, atheists aren't gonna go "well, there is still no god", which is really the only distinction agnostic/atheist tries to draw.
No, there's a difference.
Agnostic means you believe that you cannot know whether there is a god or not. Atheist means you believe there is no god.
My guess is that when this guy says agnostic atheist (poor, vague phrasing) he means he is agnostic (thinks you cannot know) who leans atheist (feels pretty sure that there is no god).
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On November 30 2011 02:07 chobopeon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 29 2011 10:39 Barburas wrote:On November 29 2011 09:10 1Eris1 wrote:
I just read the first few pages of this thread, and holy shit, Mora is my new favorite poster on TL, and I'm not even gay. o_0
My question is, how do you guys perceive religion? Are any of you religious? Are any of you catholic o_o? What do you think is wrong with certain Religious views vs, homosexuality, and what would you say to them?
Sorry if some of this has already been asked -.- Personally I'm an agnostic athiest, There's no such thing. Agnostic = atheist. Both descriptions mean that you do not believe in a god. If by some miracle God appeared before us in all His Splendour and Glory, atheists aren't gonna go "well, there is still no god", which is really the only distinction agnostic/atheist tries to draw. No, there's a difference. Agnostic means you believe that you cannot know whether there is a god or not. Atheist means you believe there is no god. My guess is that when this guy says agnostic atheist (poor, vague phrasing) he means he is agnostic (thinks you cannot know) who leans atheist (feels pretty sure that there is no god).
There is no difference there. Atheists believe there is no god, because evidence doesn't point that way, ditto agnosticism.
As you say yourself, "Agnostic means you believe that you cannot know whether there is a god or not", ergo the status quo is not believing in god, and not believing in god = atheism. Either you believe in god or you don't.
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On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:
Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself.
If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome.
Yey for Southerners! :D
I stream occasionally but recently my time has been tied with coaching my Bronze/Silver league friends and playing Modern Warfare 3 with them. Trying to get them to start practicing on ladder so I can go back to playing games, but they think ladder is too hard for them (A record of 5-1 for them is a bad day on ladder some how).
And on the topic of barbecue and chili. Beef is way better than pork (Texas style is better than North Carolina style big time). Chili is supposed to be full of beans!
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^^ I feel like an agnostic vs atheist debate needs it's own thread.
So match.com is finally starting to pay off. I have a tentative date this week and I'm excited. NOT FOREVER ALONE!
He's not even remotely a gamer but I'm ok with that. He didn't start off our conversation with "I'm a gamer too! LOLWHAT'S SKYRIM?!!?" So I can at least work with him.
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On November 30 2011 02:33 Troxle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:
Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself.
If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Yey for Southerners! :D I stream occasionally but recently my time has been tied with coaching my Bronze/Silver league friends and playing Modern Warfare 3 with them. Trying to get them to start practicing on ladder so I can go back to playing games, but they think ladder is too hard for them (A record of 5-1 for them is a bad day on ladder some how). And on the topic of barbecue and chili. Beef is way better than pork (Texas style is better than North Carolina style big time). Chili is supposed to be full of beans!
The magical fruit belongs in a burrito! It has no place in chili!!
With records of 5-1 shouldn't they be getting promoted really fast?! Oh well, whenever you start streaming just post in here so I can add you to my TL stream alert app for Chrome and at least have you on the background while I do my exciting exciting work *rolls eyes.*
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Guys, just so you know, agnostic atheist has to be two seperate things...
Agnostic is you believe there IS a higher power,but aren't sure in what form it culminates. you believe that there is a god or a deity of some kind but don't agree with standardized religions.
Atheist is you do not believe in a god at all.
But back to more important stuff!
I love me some beef. Oh god, a good thing of flank steak cooked up appropriately? mmm...
the one time I do prefer pork to beef though is in BBQ. Pulled beef just doesn't hold a card to pulled pork.
By the way, lemon is one of the greatest flavors you could ever add to a steak. <3
Edit: Also, funny thing, Chili is actually a south american dish that used to be composed of pure beans, no meat. When you have no bean chili in the states it's really more like sloppy joe in a bowl then it is chili.
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On November 30 2011 01:02 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D. You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig.
Grilled chicken over both, anyday.
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On November 30 2011 04:04 RoMGraViTy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 01:02 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:44 Bortlett wrote:On November 30 2011 00:39 Klondikebar wrote:On November 30 2011 00:35 Bortlett wrote:On November 29 2011 21:37 Klondikebar wrote:On November 29 2011 14:31 Troxle wrote:Wow a whole thread dedicated to gay gamers! <3 I'm bisexual myself and glad to see that there really hasn't been much intolerance in this thread other than a few people whose ego preceded their senses. Its good to see such an open thread for gay gamers though! (I actually made a TL account just to comment on this! Normally I just use TL for news/streams; sorry its true, I'm not much of a forum person anymore, I left that behind me.) I'm a Diamond league random player hoping to push Masters soon (I have two accounts and my zerg account is about 300-400 points but I haven't been playing much recently). Hope to see yall on ladder some day! P.S. Yes I am from the South if yall can't tell from my typing! >.> Welcome sir! I am a southern homo myself. If you streamed your push to masters I would watch. I love watching people get better and the southern accent would make your commentary pretty damn awesome. Me too! Let's get some BBQ. *raises eyebrow* Pork or Beef? When it comes to meat, I don't discriminate . EDIT: But seriously, pork >:D. You would not do well in Texas, we are a beef eating people. I don't really discriminate either but, given the choice, I will devour a herd of cattle before I even touch a pig. Grilled chicken over both, anyday.
hippie
I finished all my work today at like...10:30am because I got to the office early so I'm starting to develop that internet disorder where you slam the refresh button and immediately reply to any and all forum posts. I need to slow down.
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A good rare steak over grilled chicken any day!
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Do the people in this thread have a starcraft 2 chat channel at which to congregate?
Edit: Check this out silverfoxx http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/
I think this may clear things up with his chosen terminology.
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