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On May 25 2011 04:39 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 04:36 Harem wrote:On May 25 2011 04:34 Deekin[ wrote:
I feel I have been banned so many times and I hate it really.
What could I do to try post in a good way?
Some kinda explanation would be nice since I dont want to be banned anymore. stop posting about balance for starters ie no complaining about forcefields I guess I should write a letter to Blizzard instead? Cause thats my honest opinion
Well observed.
We don't care about your 'honest opinion', keep the balance whines to the blizz forums and reddit sc
I would say if you make a good quality analysis it might go down here better, but I don't want to encourage more 'FF OP' and the like
On May 24 2011 18:25 Hyperbole wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is it just me or does that big pink line on the graph not have a corresponding mod name to it? Same thing with that dotted pink line at the bottom.
I'm willing to bet the former pink line is chill, I can't really discern the bottom too accurately.
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On May 25 2011 04:39 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 04:36 Harem wrote:On May 25 2011 04:34 Deekin[ wrote:
I feel I have been banned so many times and I hate it really.
What could I do to try post in a good way?
Some kinda explanation would be nice since I dont want to be banned anymore. stop posting about balance for starters ie no complaining about forcefields I guess I should write a letter to Blizzard instead? Cause thats my honest opinion
No, he means post things that are creatively thinking of a way to out-do forcefields, such as faster ultras/Thors, more drops, whatever, instead of complaining about EM.
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On May 25 2011 04:39 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 04:36 Harem wrote:On May 25 2011 04:34 Deekin[ wrote:
I feel I have been banned so many times and I hate it really.
What could I do to try post in a good way?
Some kinda explanation would be nice since I dont want to be banned anymore. stop posting about balance for starters ie no complaining about forcefields I guess I should write a letter to Blizzard instead? Cause thats my honest opinion
So, picture yourself as a Blizzard employee. You've played BW and had to wait months and months to find out if a patch was going to come out. Fast forward 6 years later, Starcraft 2 is release, Fuck yeah(The year is not Pre 2000). You are told you will answering people's complaints and reports in customer service. You receive an email:
From: Deekintheserbiansailer@gmail.com
Forcefields are so broken, it's ridiculous, and blizzard won't fix them. Zerg is up, qqqqqqqq, etc.etc.
You, the Blizzard employee, will press "filed" and will move on to file the next 3000 qq emails.
Likewise, posting the same thing on teamliquid will do two things:
1. Cause 50% people to qq more
2. Cause 50% people to tell people to stop qqing.
(3. Get banned)
Now a mathematical problem:
(x^4+6x^3+5x^2-7x)+15 / (x+3)
Now, if you FOIL it, you recieve
2x² + 7x − 15 = (2x − 3)(x + 5)
Which is added to:
CH_4 + 2O_2 \\; CO_2 + 2H_2O + heat
CH_2S + 6F_2 \\; CF_4 + 2HF + SF_6 + heat
Times the vertex of qq and you get flamewar.
So, what does this teach you? You must:
a. Not qq
b. Not be like me and explain 1 sentence with 12.
The more Productive way of discussion:
So, let's say you are a Non-hired Blizzard employee that is pretending to be hired. You are about to recieve an email again about forcfields, however, the person quickly alt+f4s and thinks to themselves, "Hmm..What makes forcefields a necessity to the protoss army?" "Ahh! That's it. I need them to protect my gateway army."
Conclusion.
And by the way, Dosen't Idra have most bans? or there was this guy who had 20k posts and was banned last week..He had like 30 warnings/ban
EDIT: Charliemurphy is his name.
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United States13896 Posts
On May 24 2011 23:16 Archvil3 wrote:
Did the traffic on TL increase tenfold from January 09 untill today? Looks like it as I read the graphs.
Did the bans also increase tenfold or is it more or less? I would assume ban per unique hit would increase but you never know.
Traffic has increased more than tenfold. It looks like there are about seven to eight times more bans on average than in Jan 09. Bans per unique hit have dropped by like 35% if my math is right.
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On May 25 2011 05:00 DeepBlu2 wrote:
And by the way, Dosen't Idra have most bans? or there was this guy who had 20k posts and was banned last week..He had like 30 warnings/ban
EDIT: Charliemurphy is his name.
Um, Charlie was permed last year, on November 25th. Definitely not last week. >_>
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On May 25 2011 06:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 05:00 DeepBlu2 wrote:
And by the way, Dosen't Idra have most bans? or there was this guy who had 20k posts and was banned last week..He had like 30 warnings/ban
EDIT: Charliemurphy is his name. Um, Charlie was permed last year, on November 25th. Definitely not last week. >_>
CM was banned on my birthday? That's hilarious.
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My birthday is the same as Manifesto's. I think that one is more awesome.
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When's your birthday?(edited out the date lol)
My birthday is pretty interestingtoo. JFK died, my Mom's best friend, and a set of deadly riots.
EDIT: and the battle of stalingrad.
And, I guess I mixed up last week with last year. Still, I think Charlie is in the lead.
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Here's Charlie's last post lol
On November 25 2010 09:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:
any of you cocksuckers wanna do 100 4gates vs my zerg?
Kinda self explanatory why he leads the list 
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I was born on the 50th anniversary of Hiroshima being bombed.
Question for the mods regarding banning: What do you guys think about all the complaints that have cropped up regarding you guys banning too heavily? I've never thought you were too strict; I always thought you guys were too lenient  . However, with other communities cropping up such as reddit and wellplayed.org there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding between proper forum conduct and excessive moderation. Are you guys worried about bad word being spread by these sites or are you willing to sacrifice extra popularity for a more sane forum?
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I'm not a mod, so my opinion is not representative of the lovely gentlemen on staff, but TeamLiquid would be just another trash site if it wasn't for the moderation. I agree with you about the mods actually being too lenient; if I was a mod, I would unleash my inner Rekrul for sure.
As for other communities thinking TL is too strict, fuck 'im. The people who say that are used to forums with little to no moderation, and they just don't want to think before posting. I'd rather have a smaller userbase on TeamLiquid if it meant that the overall posting quality was high, and I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that. I love TeamLiquid, and I'd hate for it to degenerate into 4chan. Fortunately, the mods do a real kickass job.
TeamLiquid: Where every day is garbage day.
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I don't know from an economic or business standpoint, which I know has to be considered and regarded as very important, but from a social standpoint and enjoyment standpoint, I think it would be a good thing for people to leave. I don't mean the whole population, but I don't think a population increasing over ten fold is good from a social standpoint. Obviously, it would bring in more revenue but I don't feel that is or ever has been the main goal.
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On May 25 2011 10:11 Aeres wrote:
I'm not a mod, so my opinion is not representative of the lovely gentlemen on staff, but TeamLiquid would be just another trash site if it wasn't for the moderation. I agree with you about the mods actually being too lenient; if I was a mod, I would unleash my inner Rekrul for sure.
As for other communities thinking TL is too strict, fuck 'im. The people who say that are used to forums with little to no moderation, and they just don't want to think before posting. I'd rather have a smaller userbase on TeamLiquid if it meant that the overall posting quality was high, and I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that. I love TeamLiquid, and I'd hate for it to degenerate into 4chan. Fortunately, the mods do a real kickass job.
TeamLiquid: Where every day is garbage day.
I totally agree with you. The mods determine the quality of the content on the forums by choosing which content to leave uncensored and I personally would be happy if they were indeed more strict. Even to the point of forcing people to 'qualify' through some means before they're able to post at all. If forum-goers had to apply for posting privileges before they could do so trash could be filtered out. Of course you'd lose potentially great content from unproven sources but I believe the content of the website as a whole would rise and the new-up-and-comers would find a way in. This coming from someone with barely a handful of posts, but I would be more then willing to forfeit the right to post until I've earned it if it would mean the overall quality of all posts would increase.
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Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On May 25 2011 08:17 Farkinator wrote:
Question for the mods regarding banning: What do you guys think about all the complaints that have cropped up regarding you guys banning too heavily?
Take it as a sign that we're doing a good job.
I've never thought you were too strict; I always thought you guys were too lenient . However, with other communities cropping up such as reddit and wellplayed.org there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding between proper forum conduct and excessive moderation.
Agreed. There is a severe maturity difference as well IMO.
Are you guys worried about bad word being spread by these sites
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.... no, not at all.
or are you willing to sacrifice extra popularity for a more sane forum?
Our goal has always been quality, and by the results, we consistently achieve that goal. The fact many people consider TL elitist should tell you something right there - we are the best. Modesty aside for a second, TL is absolutely the best Starcraft site in existence. And that's not me trying to say anything about our moderation team - it's the culture and our userbase that make it truly unique. We're just the shepherds and garbage men.
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On May 25 2011 14:36 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 08:17 Farkinator wrote:
Question for the mods regarding banning: What do you guys think about all the complaints that have cropped up regarding you guys banning too heavily? Take it as a sign that we're doing a good job.
It's true in some ways. Lookings back at my bans/warnings, it has definitly taught me a little bit about what's acceptable and what isn't here in comparison to other forums (MASSIVE difference ), and some are certainly deserved (for example, commenting that MC threw a game, and suggesting that Pillage was a total nerd baller for hacking to GM#1 lol), but I do think you guys get carried away a little bit every once in a while. My last one was a week ban for saying that naniwa was outplaying thorzain (in a game that naniwa won lol) and that I wasn't impressed by thorzain's play in the first game.... which honestly, casters do ALL THE TIME, so does EVERYONE ELSE. Not only did the ban seem a bit harsh, but also came with a threatening message about posting in these forums again. I tried to PM the mod to discuss it a bit, explain my intentions and inquire on why I wasn't allowed to comment on the game (cmon, saying outplayed is not QQ, and how come people were allowed to say they were impressed, but I was not allowed to say I wasn't lol), and received no answer. Twice.
Craaaaaazy. Although honestly, overall even though I was naturally mad at first, I can understand the initial warnings and bans I got , gotta teach the kids somehow. And mods usually were nice answering further inquiries, and one even lifted a ban once for me.
OVERALL I GIVE YOU 4 STARS OUT OF 5 ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
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Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On May 25 2011 22:50 ffadicted wrote:
My last one was a week ban for saying that naniwa was outplaying thorzain (in a game that naniwa won lol) and that I wasn't impressed by thorzain's play in the first game.... which honestly, casters do ALL THE TIME, so does EVERYONE ELSE. Not only did the ban seem a bit harsh, but also came with a threatening message about posting in these forums again. I tried to PM the mod to discuss it a bit, explain my intentions and inquire on why I wasn't allowed to comment on the game (cmon, saying outplayed is not QQ, and how come people were allowed to say they were impressed, but I was not allowed to say I wasn't lol), and received no answer. Twice.
Seriously? You're trying to justify yourself on that one?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223147&user=137999
You were ragging on Thorzain the entire time, long before the matches even started. It was completely uncalled for and not even close to what casters will say. You weren't banned for that single comment alone, but all of them together in that entire thread.
On top of that, you've been warned/banned previously for shitting up LR threads in similar fashion. It seems you weren't learning from previous mistakes.
To be 100% honest with you, you're lucky you haven't been permed yet with your warning history. Just being completely honest with you.
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On May 26 2011 02:27 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 22:50 ffadicted wrote:
My last one was a week ban for saying that naniwa was outplaying thorzain (in a game that naniwa won lol) and that I wasn't impressed by thorzain's play in the first game.... which honestly, casters do ALL THE TIME, so does EVERYONE ELSE. Not only did the ban seem a bit harsh, but also came with a threatening message about posting in these forums again. I tried to PM the mod to discuss it a bit, explain my intentions and inquire on why I wasn't allowed to comment on the game (cmon, saying outplayed is not QQ, and how come people were allowed to say they were impressed, but I was not allowed to say I wasn't lol), and received no answer. Twice. Seriously? You're trying to justify yourself on that one? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223147&user=137999You were ragging on Thorzain the entire time, long before the matches even started. It was completely uncalled for and not even close to what casters will say. You weren't banned for that single comment alone, but all of them together in that entire thread. On top of that, you've been warned/banned previously for shitting up LR threads in similar fashion. It seems you weren't learning from previous mistakes. To be 100% honest with you, you're lucky you haven't been permed yet with your warning history. Just being completely honest with you.
EDIT: I mean User, not banling/admin.
Dam, I would post a meme but I know better. So Teletubby(I'd like to leave out the evil since Teletubbies was my favorite show as a small child), who is the person who has officially had the most bans?
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On May 26 2011 03:59 DeepBlu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 02:27 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 25 2011 22:50 ffadicted wrote:
My last one was a week ban for saying that naniwa was outplaying thorzain (in a game that naniwa won lol) and that I wasn't impressed by thorzain's play in the first game.... which honestly, casters do ALL THE TIME, so does EVERYONE ELSE. Not only did the ban seem a bit harsh, but also came with a threatening message about posting in these forums again. I tried to PM the mod to discuss it a bit, explain my intentions and inquire on why I wasn't allowed to comment on the game (cmon, saying outplayed is not QQ, and how come people were allowed to say they were impressed, but I was not allowed to say I wasn't lol), and received no answer. Twice. Seriously? You're trying to justify yourself on that one? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223147&user=137999You were ragging on Thorzain the entire time, long before the matches even started. It was completely uncalled for and not even close to what casters will say. You weren't banned for that single comment alone, but all of them together in that entire thread. On top of that, you've been warned/banned previously for shitting up LR threads in similar fashion. It seems you weren't learning from previous mistakes. To be 100% honest with you, you're lucky you haven't been permed yet with your warning history. Just being completely honest with you. Dam, I would post a meme but I know better. So Teletubby(I'd like to leave out the evil since Teletubbies was my favorite show as a small child), who is the person who has officially had the most bans?
has to be Manifesto
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On May 25 2011 10:11 Aeres wrote:
I'm not a mod, so my opinion is not representative of the lovely gentlemen on staff, but TeamLiquid would be just another trash site if it wasn't for the moderation. I agree with you about the mods actually being too lenient; if I was a mod, I would unleash my inner Rekrul for sure.
As for other communities thinking TL is too strict, fuck 'im. The people who say that are used to forums with little to no moderation, and they just don't want to think before posting. I'd rather have a smaller userbase on TeamLiquid if it meant that the overall posting quality was high, and I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that. I love TeamLiquid, and I'd hate for it to degenerate into 4chan. Fortunately, the mods do a real kickass job.
TeamLiquid: Where every day is garbage day.
too bad tl.nets popularity has nothing to do with the moderators...
tl.net has all the news/events/progamer data etc which is why people visit
i've talked to really good players that can actually go on west and progamers will message them for games but wont post on tl.net because the mods ban too much.
mods on tl.net ban based on the quality of your post, doesnt matter if you've flamed anyone or not..
then when you're banned you can see their history of posts which are 95% one-liners.
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On May 26 2011 05:40 Mobius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 10:11 Aeres wrote:
I'm not a mod, so my opinion is not representative of the lovely gentlemen on staff, but TeamLiquid would be just another trash site if it wasn't for the moderation. I agree with you about the mods actually being too lenient; if I was a mod, I would unleash my inner Rekrul for sure.
As for other communities thinking TL is too strict, fuck 'im. The people who say that are used to forums with little to no moderation, and they just don't want to think before posting. I'd rather have a smaller userbase on TeamLiquid if it meant that the overall posting quality was high, and I don't think I'm being unreasonable when I say that. I love TeamLiquid, and I'd hate for it to degenerate into 4chan. Fortunately, the mods do a real kickass job.
TeamLiquid: Where every day is garbage day. too bad tl.nets popularity has nothing to do with the moderators... tl.net has all the news/events/progamer data etc which is why people visit i've talked to really good players that can actually go on west and progamers will message them for games but wont post on tl.net because the mods ban too much. mods on tl.net ban based on the quality of your post, doesnt matter if you've flamed anyone or not.. then when you're banned you can see their history of posts which are 95% one-liners.
I agree with this sentiment.
TL is fantastic because the work behind the scenes is fantastic. The TSL is a brilliant example of this.
Unrivaled professionalism and excellence produced arguably the best tournament to date. And certainly the best foreigner tournament.
But then at the same time there was what in business would be described as a number of PR disasters. From the statements made against EG to the IdrA banning.
Whether you were in the right or not is irrelevant; the fact is you upset and alienated part of the community.
If you take the community as a whole and continually cut pieces off you're reducing your appeal.
Blizzard don't ban people from their forums unless it's a serious trolling offence. They certainly wouldn't ban someone just for disagreeing with them or just because they felt insulted by the comments, because it reflects back badly on them.
As TL evolves I don't see why the moderation can't evolve too. It's much better to close a thread, or delete a post than it is to ban someone. Because whether they deserved it or not that person is most likely to be pissed off.
There have been some good evolutions like the messages at the top of threads telling people what is appropriate but I think it could be improved further for the benefit of all.
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