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On May 26 2011 07:22 Rayeth wrote:The correct community comparison for TL is Elitist Jerks, a high end raiding guild in WoW. That forum had become the de facto raiding strategy forums for the whole game (or at least it was when I stopped playing). They discuss the same things as the Blizzard forums, but due to relentless moderation the board is not filled with shitty posts and whiners. Additionally due to the layout of the boards, creating a new thread is nearly impossible and it makes finding the new information difficult (other than by searching, which coincidentally seems to be a problem for lots of new folks here at TL too). Is either approach better than the other? It's not my place to say, but I certainly think that either is better than the shitfest that the Blizzard boards are. I think pretty much all good approaches to good moderation can be summed up as: If you can't be bothered to string together some coherent sentences about X, don't bother posting X.
elitist jerks forums is terrible, they make 1 thread and expect u to go through hundreds of pages to find that 1 post that might be what you're looking for. while there was a lot of number crunching and useful info, it was way too hard to find it. basically the thread became a chatroom with different people discussing 8 different things at once.
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On May 26 2011 23:55 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 23:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im not a mod, but I believe the problem is the last line. Everything else is fine, but there is no need to throw that barb in at the end because the player you rooted for lost. And LR threads arent for posting opinion. They are for reporting what is happening to those who are unable to watch the game. I know that that's part of LR's, but I don't think/didn't think that's the only thing allowed? Otherwise a lot of people are doing it wrong. I spend so much time in those threads, mainly because coming from a sports background I'm used to only watching games around friends and talking about it constantly. I can't watch games on my own, and since no one I know really watches starcraft, I'm left with the game threads to discuss with people. Maybe this is the root of all my problems, treating the LR thread as a bunch of friends at a bar that I can talk about the game with lol
I definitely agree that that is a useful part of LR threads. There is nothing wrong with discussing the games, or making OMG statements when something epic happens. But when the thread turns to whining or just player bashing, it clogs it up for everyone. Discussion is impossible, and it becomes impossible to find information.
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On May 26 2011 23:55 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 23:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im not a mod, but I believe the problem is the last line. Everything else is fine, but there is no need to throw that barb in at the end because the player you rooted for lost. And LR threads arent for posting opinion. They are for reporting what is happening to those who are unable to watch the game. I know that that's part of LR's, but I don't think/didn't think that's the only thing allowed? Otherwise a lot of people are doing it wrong. I spend so much time in those threads, mainly because coming from a sports background I'm used to only watching games around friends and talking about it constantly. I can't watch games on my own, and since no one I know really watches starcraft, I'm left with the game threads to discuss with people. Maybe this is the root of all my problems, treating the LR thread as a bunch of friends at a bar that I can talk about the game with lol
I think the main problem is that live reporting is probably less than 1% of what is being posted in a live report thread. Most LR threads are completely useless regarding their original purpose, because to find that one post that describes what just happened you wade through 8 pages of "OMMMGGG" and "PLAYER XY HWATING!!!" and "lol".
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On May 27 2011 01:18 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 23:55 ffadicted wrote:On May 26 2011 23:46 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im not a mod, but I believe the problem is the last line. Everything else is fine, but there is no need to throw that barb in at the end because the player you rooted for lost. And LR threads arent for posting opinion. They are for reporting what is happening to those who are unable to watch the game. I know that that's part of LR's, but I don't think/didn't think that's the only thing allowed? Otherwise a lot of people are doing it wrong. I spend so much time in those threads, mainly because coming from a sports background I'm used to only watching games around friends and talking about it constantly. I can't watch games on my own, and since no one I know really watches starcraft, I'm left with the game threads to discuss with people. Maybe this is the root of all my problems, treating the LR thread as a bunch of friends at a bar that I can talk about the game with lol I think the main problem is that live reporting is probably less than 1% of what is being posted in a live report thread. Most LR threads are completely useless regarding their original purpose, because to find that one post that describes what just happened you wade through 8 pages of "OMMMGGG" and "PLAYER XY HWATING!!!" and "lol".
Ya that's a good point, and that's what I'm trying to get at. Saying "incontrol hwaitin!!!" and saying "not impressed by incontrol, I think he's bad" contributes an equal amount to the threads, but are treated differently. I get the "respect" aspect of it, but I don't think that respect = not saying anything if you don't have anything good to say about all parties involved.
LR threads just aren't LR threads anymore, and I think you either have to adapt with that, or start literally kicking everyone out that isn't LRing. This halfway approach of "it's ok to not LR as long as you're nice" that they're using is something that I can't agree with. You either have it strictly LR, or you open up to all discussion, whether it be good or bad (except balance whining of course, as taht is a forum wide policy that I can't agree enough with)
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Calgary26004 Posts
Or we could continue with our policy which is working fine for 99.9999% of users.
The cheering / bashing policy isn't reserved to LR threads, it's a global TL policy. You can, and are encouraged to, post "I love Sheth!!!" in many threads where it's applicable. You can't, however, post "Sheth is fucking terrible." The reason for this should be obvious. LR threads follow the same standards. You could, however, post "Wow that move was terrible by Sheth".
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On May 27 2011 00:06 zev318 wrote:
elitist jerks forums is terrible, they make 1 thread and expect u to go through hundreds of pages to find that 1 post that might be what you're looking for. while there was a lot of number crunching and useful info, it was way too hard to find it. basically the thread became a chatroom with different people discussing 8 different things at once.
Yet I would say that forum has the best content per post ratio I've ever seen in a forum. We can argue about how easy it is to find information on the forum, but the information is there. The search function does the rest.
I don't think the three or four massive mega-threads is the correct way to run a forum, but it works for them. The same thing applies here at TL. TL has its staff and forums running in a certain way, and it seems to work out fine.
People get banned and threads get closed for posting stupid things and the end result is higher quality content.
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Imagine how many bans I would rack up in a day if we arranged a showmatch between CrunCher and FD or Nestea!
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Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
Especially if Cruncher wins!
Actually, Cruncher vs Idra showmatch would be a good idea and get a TON of hits.
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On May 29 2011 02:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Especially if Cruncher wins!
Actually, Cruncher vs Idra showmatch would be a good idea and get a TON of hits.
Or HuK vs. Idra
Or Boxer vs. Idra
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or Idra playing by himself against the AI... anything with Idra on TL gets banhappy.
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On May 29 2011 03:01 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 02:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Especially if Cruncher wins!
Actually, Cruncher vs Idra showmatch would be a good idea and get a TON of hits. Or HuK vs. Idra Or Boxer vs. Idra
Theres a lot of people Idra could play that would bring a lot of hits 
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Canada8036 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 18:25 Hyperbole wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is it just me or does that big pink line on the graph not have a corresponding mod name to it? Same thing with that dotted pink line at the bottom. I'm willing to bet the former pink line is chill, I can't really discern the bottom too accurately.
Oh, looks like Excel was being retarded with the legend. The pink line is Liquid`Meat.
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Canada8036 Posts
Somebody asked me nicely, so I've updated the thread.
+ Show Spoiler [Leaderboard] +Apparently Kennigit hit 1k. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pzzLp.jpg) Mod Bans 2 day 1 week 2 week 30 day 90 day Perm Unknown
Manifesto7 1865 669 381 174 81 49 511 0
Kennigit 1000 188 185 130 30 11 456 0
EvilTeletubby 837 311 153 69 44 11 249 0
Hot_Bid 733 165 73 236 26 2 231 0
Chill 680 178 68 46 7 6 375 0
Plexa 676 294 118 39 16 4 205 0
Nyovne 674 287 166 20 13 3 185 0
zatic 639 282 95 22 18 2 220 0
Liquid`Nazgul 533 207 109 88 15 2 112 0
Harem 515 146 68 32 8 5 256 0
JWD 482 194 95 52 25 4 112 0
Aesop 350 193 76 28 10 2 41 0
boesthius 347 150 52 27 4 0 114 0
FakeSteve[TPR] 332 109 71 20 13 1 118 0
Puosu 315 140 30 8 2 0 135 0
Twisted 272 16 41 32 2 0 181 0
SonuvBob 259 34 41 31 8 5 138 2
Carnac 252 40 25 17 2 1 167 0
Beyonder 250 73 63 27 2 0 85 0
p4NDemik 225 126 26 10 0 0 63 0
Jibba 224 113 30 7 6 0 68 0
riptide 192 40 49 6 2 0 95 0
vGl-CoW 188 53 34 8 4 0 89 0
Empyrean 187 67 42 19 7 4 48 0
Rekrul 171 19 19 13 0 0 120 0
R1CH 170 18 15 6 2 0 128 1
GHOSTCLAW 144 102 16 4 0 0 22 0
KwarK 143 46 33 18 10 1 35 0
BroOd 137 42 20 9 7 0 59 0
Klogon 129 31 19 19 1 2 57 0
RaGe 125 20 22 12 7 0 64 0
thedeadhaji 124 47 27 15 0 0 35 0
CTStalker 106 41 16 16 6 2 25 0
H 103 34 27 8 3 0 31 0
micronesia 103 62 12 6 0 1 22 0
mahnini 101 29 40 15 3 1 13 0
IntoTheWow 98 35 12 3 2 1 45 0
intrigue 88 36 13 12 1 0 26 0
SoMuchBetter 84 35 17 2 0 1 29 0
Liquid`Jinro 84 21 14 2 3 1 43 0
Liquid`Meat 84 0 2 3 0 0 79 0
pangshai 80 59 12 0 2 0 7 0
Ares[Effort] 77 50 6 3 0 0 18 0
TheMango 68 7 4 4 1 0 52 0
Tadzio 62 34 11 2 0 0 15 0
iamke55 58 33 5 9 0 0 11 0
heyoka 53 19 12 5 0 0 17 0
LosingID8 49 23 7 3 1 2 13 0
Excalibur_Z 47 25 5 3 0 0 14 0
Last Romantic 47 15 11 6 2 0 13 0
PoP 47 7 9 16 0 0 14 1
iNcontroL 45 22 9 1 0 0 13 0
mikeymoo 39 23 5 3 1 0 7 0
motbob 37 20 4 1 2 0 10 0
ToKoreaWithLove 35 0 1 4 0 0 30 0
uhjoo 33 0 3 1 0 0 29 0
Liquid`Drone 32 1 7 3 0 0 21 0
Mystlord 31 8 7 4 2 3 7 0
GTR 30 14 2 3 0 0 11 0
TL.net Bot 24 0 0 0 0 0 24 0
Saracen 21 9 5 4 2 0 1 0
{CC}StealthBlue 20 1 4 2 1 1 11 0
Daigomi 20 10 6 1 0 0 3 0
pachi 20 4 1 1 0 0 14 0
Insane 20 8 5 0 0 0 7 0
pheer 15 0 6 3 1 0 5 0
semioldguy 14 6 0 1 1 0 6 0
Zelniq 14 9 3 1 0 0 1 0
Arbiter[frolix] 14 2 5 0 0 0 7 0
Saro 14 0 0 1 0 0 13 0
Waxangel 13 2 2 0 3 2 4 0
XaI)CyRiC 13 1 1 4 0 0 7 0
ManaBlue 10 2 2 0 0 0 6 0
mrmin123 7 3 1 0 0 0 3 0
mensrea 6 0 3 1 0 0 2 0
X)Benny 6 0 3 1 0 0 2 0
Xxio 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
Kau 3 2 0 0 0 0 1 0
disciple 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Live2Win 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Legionnaire 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
GroT 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Plexa & Kennigit 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Godzilla 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
+ Show Spoiler [Bans over time] ++ Show Spoiler [Bans per day] +
+ Show Spoiler [Banlings] +
+ Show Spoiler [Mods <100] +
+ Show Spoiler [Mods >100] +
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On May 29 2011 02:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Especially if Cruncher wins!
Actually, Cruncher vs Idra showmatch would be a good idea and get a TON of hits.
honestly any protoss that goes blink stalkers, 4gate, void ray, and any terran that cheeses or allins vs idra would get a TON of hits.
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On June 28 2011 15:01 Spazer wrote:Somebody asked me nicely, so I've updated the thread. + Show Spoiler [Leaderboard] +Apparently Kennigit hit 1k. Mod Bans 2 day 1 week 2 week 30 day 90 day Perm Unknown
Manifesto7 1865 669 381 174 81 49 511 0
Kennigit 1000 188 185 130 30 11 456 0
EvilTeletubby 837 311 153 69 44 11 249 0
Hot_Bid 733 165 73 236 26 2 231 0
Chill 680 178 68 46 7 6 375 0
Plexa 676 294 118 39 16 4 205 0
Nyovne 674 287 166 20 13 3 185 0
zatic 639 282 95 22 18 2 220 0
Liquid`Nazgul 533 207 109 88 15 2 112 0
Harem 515 146 68 32 8 5 256 0
JWD 482 194 95 52 25 4 112 0
Aesop 350 193 76 28 10 2 41 0
boesthius 347 150 52 27 4 0 114 0
FakeSteve[TPR] 332 109 71 20 13 1 118 0
Puosu 315 140 30 8 2 0 135 0
Twisted 272 16 41 32 2 0 181 0
SonuvBob 259 34 41 31 8 5 138 2
Carnac 252 40 25 17 2 1 167 0
Beyonder 250 73 63 27 2 0 85 0
p4NDemik 225 126 26 10 0 0 63 0
Jibba 224 113 30 7 6 0 68 0
riptide 192 40 49 6 2 0 95 0
vGl-CoW 188 53 34 8 4 0 89 0
Empyrean 187 67 42 19 7 4 48 0
Rekrul 171 19 19 13 0 0 120 0
R1CH 170 18 15 6 2 0 128 1
GHOSTCLAW 144 102 16 4 0 0 22 0
KwarK 143 46 33 18 10 1 35 0
BroOd 137 42 20 9 7 0 59 0
Klogon 129 31 19 19 1 2 57 0
RaGe 125 20 22 12 7 0 64 0
thedeadhaji 124 47 27 15 0 0 35 0
CTStalker 106 41 16 16 6 2 25 0
H 103 34 27 8 3 0 31 0
micronesia 103 62 12 6 0 1 22 0
mahnini 101 29 40 15 3 1 13 0
IntoTheWow 98 35 12 3 2 1 45 0
intrigue 88 36 13 12 1 0 26 0
SoMuchBetter 84 35 17 2 0 1 29 0
Liquid`Jinro 84 21 14 2 3 1 43 0
Liquid`Meat 84 0 2 3 0 0 79 0
pangshai 80 59 12 0 2 0 7 0
Ares[Effort] 77 50 6 3 0 0 18 0
TheMango 68 7 4 4 1 0 52 0
Tadzio 62 34 11 2 0 0 15 0
iamke55 58 33 5 9 0 0 11 0
heyoka 53 19 12 5 0 0 17 0
LosingID8 49 23 7 3 1 2 13 0
Excalibur_Z 47 25 5 3 0 0 14 0
Last Romantic 47 15 11 6 2 0 13 0
PoP 47 7 9 16 0 0 14 1
iNcontroL 45 22 9 1 0 0 13 0
mikeymoo 39 23 5 3 1 0 7 0
motbob 37 20 4 1 2 0 10 0
ToKoreaWithLove 35 0 1 4 0 0 30 0
uhjoo 33 0 3 1 0 0 29 0
Liquid`Drone 32 1 7 3 0 0 21 0
Mystlord 31 8 7 4 2 3 7 0
GTR 30 14 2 3 0 0 11 0
TL.net Bot 24 0 0 0 0 0 24 0
Saracen 21 9 5 4 2 0 1 0
{CC}StealthBlue 20 1 4 2 1 1 11 0
Daigomi 20 10 6 1 0 0 3 0
pachi 20 4 1 1 0 0 14 0
Insane 20 8 5 0 0 0 7 0
pheer 15 0 6 3 1 0 5 0
semioldguy 14 6 0 1 1 0 6 0
Zelniq 14 9 3 1 0 0 1 0
Arbiter[frolix] 14 2 5 0 0 0 7 0
Saro 14 0 0 1 0 0 13 0
Waxangel 13 2 2 0 3 2 4 0
XaI)CyRiC 13 1 1 4 0 0 7 0
ManaBlue 10 2 2 0 0 0 6 0
mrmin123 7 3 1 0 0 0 3 0
mensrea 6 0 3 1 0 0 2 0
X)Benny 6 0 3 1 0 0 2 0
Xxio 5 5 0 0 0 0 0 0
Kau 3 2 0 0 0 0 1 0
disciple 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Live2Win 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Legionnaire 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
GroT 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Plexa & Kennigit 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Godzilla 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Thanks these are super interesting
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On June 28 2011 15:26 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 02:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Especially if Cruncher wins!
Actually, Cruncher vs Idra showmatch would be a good idea and get a TON of hits. honestly any protoss that goes blink stalkers, 4gate, void ray, and any terran that cheeses or allins vs idra would get a TON of hits.
Honestly anyone beats IdrA as Protoss, it does get a ton of hits.
Also thanks a bunch for updating the Banlist thing. Congratz to Kennigit for reaching the coveted 1000th Ban!!!
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Man, hotbid banned like 400 people in a day sometime between '09 and '10?
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Sanya12364 Posts
Who hosted the beta key or ban thread?
Ah yes, it was Hotbid hosting the TL Beta Roulette. It would explain the 140+ bans that happened.
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MURICA15980 Posts
Okay, looks like I need to ban 871 people. I want my 1k too.
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Congratulations kennigit!
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