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Tsutchie
Australia951 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On May 15 2013 12:51 Shaella wrote: Bloodseeker that gets Blademail first is legit and force staff is gimmicky at best on BS, it doesnt even cancel TP | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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Lavitage2
198 Posts
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LazyFailKid
Canada750 Posts
On May 15 2013 14:36 Lavitage2 wrote: if you Q yourself as bloodseeker then activate BKB, what happens? Don't quote me on this, but i'm pretty sure that it stays on you but it's a bug since it's not supposed to. | ||
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kuruptt
Canada168 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 15 2013 10:31 Kmatt wrote: I decided to try solo matchmaking today. While I know 5 staking leads to better games, surely a mode completely designed around soloqueue would have reliable results...right? LOL NOPE All pick time (could have sworn I had that turned off, but w/e), I random, as do 3 other team members. After the final pick we have Drow (me) Pudge Titan Venge Apparition Huh! A reasonable lineup! Who'd a thunk it! Venge and AA then used the remaining time to discuss who was buying courier and wards. Well I'll be! It's like they're competent or something! Lane time! I go safelane, venge wants to join. Sounds good, I have random gold, so I'll grab early boots and ice arrows, +magic missle and that's ez first blood. jk, wraith band and aura first, gotta pack dem deeps  Well, we have a solo slark, I should be piling the farm at least Had you fooled! Not only would he autoattack, but he did in in random bursts, so I couldn't even try to gauge how to last hit with a super creep. After about a minute of explaining concepts of this game meant to be apparent within an hour of play time, he resigns to only attacking creeps to land the last hit. And of course he has the faster attack animation and higher damage, so I couldn't do anything. After another bout of holding the mic button telling him to stop killing all their creeps, he concludes "fine I wont deny anymore" and proceeds to single-stack pull while slark and tide dive me. Repeatedly. 9 minutes in, I've farmed a single band of elvenskin, he continues to steal farm between instances of standing outside of exp range doing f*ck all, responding to the team's complaints with "so what" "i'm not allowed to farm?" "i'm not allowed to get items?" Slark and tide then proceed to walk right past both venge and the creep wave (halfway into the safelane curve) to tower dive me while she maintains her autoattacking, only taking breaks to call me a noob (with less than 100 games played) Dunning can go suck off Kruger, there is no excuse why out of over 100,000 people online, I have to be stuck with the level of stupid this consistently other than that the losses caused by them leads the system to bury their afflicted teammate into levels of "the trench" so deep the flames of hell itself creep up to warm the darkness. Nothing to whine about, it seems solo matchmaking has its own MMR, so it's not surprising you get to play with shitty players the first few games. Just carry a bit and you'll be good. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On May 15 2013 15:43 kuruptt wrote: Are you guys serious? Force staff isn't gimmicky at all on BS. In fact, I consider it core on bloodseeker ATM and many many other players do as well. It provides good burst damage (120/240/360) AND utility. Also provides as an escape mechanism which bloodseeker does not have. Not to mention the other team had a clockwerk + engima a forcestaff would completely counter these heroes until enigma gets a BKB. If you guys think blade mail as a first item choice on bloodseeker is a good item to get then well you guys need to learn how to play bs =/ Force staff is not core. it have no synergies with most of his skillset except his ultimate and it is gimmicky since most of the time you will force staff your enemy away from you since they will be facing the other way before started stopping, so you will miss 2-3 hit which would easily make up those 'burst damage'. it also gives no benefit since BS doesnt need the Int or HP Regen (you can make a slight case for the old force staff ) as for escape --> thirst is pretty good and if a >50% health hero is chasing you and you're dying, then force staff wont help at all though I also dont think Blademail rush is a good thing, he should be build with movespeed+attack speed in mind like other have said | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 15 2013 17:08 sandyph wrote: Force staff is not core. it have no synergies with most of his skillset except his ultimate and it is gimmicky since most of the time you will force staff your enemy away from you since they will be facing the other way before started stopping, so you will miss 2-3 hit which would easily make up those 'burst damage'. it also gives no benefit since BS doesnt need the Int or HP Regen (you can make a slight case for the old force staff ) as for escape --> thirst is pretty good and if a >50% health hero is chasing you and you're dying, then force staff wont help at all though I also dont think Blademail rush is a good thing, he should be build with movespeed+attack speed in mind like other have said True core for BS is good mates because he's just a big creep or he's good in a silence team with let's say SM, silencer drow dp etc | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On May 15 2013 17:16 nojok wrote: True core for BS is good mates because he's just a big creep or he's good in a silence team with let's say SM, silencer drow dp etc dont forget bad opponent, though that is core for most heroes | ||
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kuruptt
Canada168 Posts
On May 15 2013 17:08 sandyph wrote: Force staff is not core. it have no synergies with most of his skillset except his ultimate and it is gimmicky since most of the time you will force staff your enemy away from you since they will be facing the other way before started stopping, so you will miss 2-3 hit which would easily make up those 'burst damage'. it also gives no benefit since BS doesnt need the Int or HP Regen (you can make a slight case for the old force staff ) as for escape --> thirst is pretty good and if a >50% health hero is chasing you and you're dying, then force staff wont help at all though I also dont think Blademail rush is a good thing, he should be build with movespeed+attack speed in mind like other have said Force staff is core. 2-3 hits DOES not make up for 120 damage at lvl 6 sorry. You can instantly kill MOST squishy heroes if not all instantly during the mid game. I don't know why people saying its gimmicky when its such a cheap item. Thirst is not an escape skill what the? If a hero is chasing me and I'm dying, i force staff away and they usually won't catch up, this is true for all heroes not just BS. Force staff is amazing utility item and the fact that you say it doesn't synergize with his skillset is ironic because his force staff GIVES damage to his ulti, how is that not synergy? The fact that you will be making most of your kills through your ulti, it is a good item. You also say that you lose 2-3 hits is also false. Once you force staff that player he will most likely be in thirst range giving you massive movespeed anyways for you to catch up to him. If he isn't well he probably won't die anyways because any good player that gets ruptured and is still at around 60-70% health WON't move and instead just hold position, force staff counters this. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
On May 15 2013 13:50 RuskiPanda wrote: Don't even know why people go for gimmicky shit based around his ult. Just treat it as a way to get people to stop moving and build like an agi carry to dps them down (I mean you do have a insane steroid in your Q...). Probably because despite good laning (at least 1v1) he has no mid game to speak off and people think they should be able to do something during that time. If they are going for silly dives with ulti might as well build dagon, at least it does some damage. More reasonable players would probably aim for later parts of game with some bigger item timings or go for the race car builds which brings him online faster. Vanguard/Blademail was pretty fun back in the day before both of them recieved nerfs. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On May 15 2013 18:08 kuruptt wrote: Force staff is core. 2-3 hits DOES not make up for 120 damage at lvl 6 sorry. You can instantly kill MOST squishy heroes if not all instantly during the mid game. I don't know why people saying its gimmicky when its such a cheap item. Thirst is not an escape skill what the? If a hero is chasing me and I'm dying, i force staff away and they usually won't catch up, this is true for all heroes not just BS. Force staff is amazing utility item and the fact that you say it doesn't synergize with his skillset is ironic because his force staff GIVES damage to his ulti, how is that not synergy? The fact that you will be making most of your kills through your ulti, it is a good item. You also say that you lose 2-3 hits is also false. Once you force staff that player he will most likely be in thirst range giving you massive movespeed anyways for you to catch up to him. If he isn't well he probably won't die anyways because any good player that gets ruptured and is still at around 60-70% health WON't move and instead just hold position, force staff counters this. You're not getting a force staff at level 6. 2-3 hits does make up 120 damage. In fact 3 hits does a hell of a lot more damage than 120. If you're running away as BS well you're doing something wrong. Assuming you hit the enemy more than one time your movespeed will already be higher anyways. For the price of a forcestaff you can get something that actually gives him relevant stats and damage. Such as say Jango. That's movespeed, damage, health, and regen. For a much better cost. There is literally no reason to go forcestaff on BS except for stupid cheese shit. The whole point of his ulti is to A) Force the hero to stand there and facetank your team B) Force him to run away and die to rupture. Force staff isn't going to do anything for you other than some mediocre damage. Force staff doesn't counter someone sitting at 70% health. It'll drop them to 50 and they TP anyways. If it actually stopped TP i'd give you the argument but you literally counter BS with a TP scroll. You're better off getting something that makes him do actual damage not some gimmick force staff shit. Edit: I dunno what the fuck supports you're seeing but no support is dying to a rupture forcestaff combo. Even at level 1. BS honestly is a shit hero and dunno why this is even being brought up but you're making a shit hero much worse by going forcestaff. Not to mention a magic stick that cost 500 gold completely counters your 2200 gold investment. It's just bad play. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On May 15 2013 18:08 kuruptt wrote: Force staff is core. 2-3 hits DOES not make up for 120 damage at lvl 6 sorry. You can instantly kill MOST squishy heroes if not all instantly during the mid game. I don't know why people saying its gimmicky when its such a cheap item. Thirst is not an escape skill what the? If a hero is chasing me and I'm dying, i force staff away and they usually won't catch up, this is true for all heroes not just BS. Force staff is amazing utility item and the fact that you say it doesn't synergize with his skillset is ironic because his force staff GIVES damage to his ulti, how is that not synergy? The fact that you will be making most of your kills through your ulti, it is a good item. You also say that you lose 2-3 hits is also false. Once you force staff that player he will most likely be in thirst range giving you massive movespeed anyways for you to catch up to him. If he isn't well he probably won't die anyways because any good player that gets ruptured and is still at around 60-70% health WON't move and instead just hold position, force staff counters this. 120 dmg for 2.35k gold at lvl 6? Yeah, that sounds awesome.. And how does 3 hits not make up for that? You do less than 40 dmg pr hit at lvl 6? If you want to be gimmicky, go for a dagon instead. One of the main problems with BS is that any good opponent will just TP out of your ulti. If I was bs (And I would never be, because he's the worst hero in the pool), I'd build him like a lategame carry with the ability to help out in teamfights with 2 spells until then. FF BS was much more viable before they changed the ff to not give attack speed and dmg. At that time FF was so popular you'd usually have more than one on your team as well. Nothing is as hilarious as watching someone with rupture bounce around like a bloody pingpong ball from 5 forcestaffs. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On May 15 2013 18:08 kuruptt wrote: Force staff is core. 2-3 hits DOES not make up for 120 damage at lvl 6 sorry. You can instantly kill MOST squishy heroes if not all instantly during the mid game. I don't know why people saying its gimmicky when its such a cheap item. Thirst is not an escape skill what the? If a hero is chasing me and I'm dying, i force staff away and they usually won't catch up, this is true for all heroes not just BS. Force staff is amazing utility item and the fact that you say it doesn't synergize with his skillset is ironic because his force staff GIVES damage to his ulti, how is that not synergy? The fact that you will be making most of your kills through your ulti, it is a good item. You also say that you lose 2-3 hits is also false. Once you force staff that player he will most likely be in thirst range giving you massive movespeed anyways for you to catch up to him. If he isn't well he probably won't die anyways because any good player that gets ruptured and is still at around 60-70% health WON't move and instead just hold position, force staff counters this. any good player with 60-70% health will not hold position, they will TP out or just man mode BS. And again, force staff doesnt cancel TP. and at level 6 (though you wont be having force staff that soon) he hit for more than 60 damage without any damage/stat item (his base is 53-59) so 2 hit is > 120 damage | ||
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MentalGNT
Denmark1264 Posts
Our clinkz freefarms for the first 25 minutes - has treads and a wraith band. 5 minutes later enemy gyro comes out of the woods with treads bkb butterfly. GG | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
and im already on a massive loss streak love the pendulum match making really fucking do | ||
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