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On January 06 2013 08:16 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 08:06 unkkz wrote:
Ugh had really high hopes for a game. Our picks: Huskar(me), Prophet, Tiny(not playing carry tiny obv), Dark seer and ES. Opponents chooses tri carry lineup. "We have this from the get go" i say to myself as we start, oh boy was i wrong. The game is even, no team gaining a proper upperhand in kills but there is one thing. I get no kills, everyone steals the lasthit, like GOES for the lasthit on every gank and in every teamfight. I also have to buy dust and wards for enemy riki and gondar since well, nobody else does. So i ward them, several time, jump in with ulti, wail at them, they are on 10% HP, tiny blinks in for the lasthit. This happens like 5-6 times. I pay for the kill, and don´t get it. On top of this, whenever i port to a lane or go to a creep camp, prophet comes after me with BoT's and instantly kills the entire wave pretty much. By 51min i have 3-7-14 or something and enemy drow now has farm, we loose. I end with like 90 CK´s, completing my bkb at like 50min with a armlet and helm of dom.
Kept telling them all game long, but nooo they told me "it doesn't matter who gets the kill". Like. Ugh. 1 - 4 tonight. And i just had a luna who went 0 - 5 in 4 min on mid, rubick kept telling me to dive and save him when i had 30% hp vs 3-4 people. Matchmaking cannot be working as intended, seriously. The opposing teams tonight have been MILES ahead of my teammates. They have supports who buys wards, mekas and shit. My team doesn´t know to split vs a lich ulti. "prophet comes after me with BoT's" I thought it was just another generic QQ post, but that one is a gem.
Yeah i port top to push it back and get farm, as i am clearing the wave BoT's in and kills like 75% of the creeps with his nuke. This happened several times. The fun part is he just didn't get that i needed farm, swear to god i was being trolled which again feels weird since it was a pretty even game, which i guess we'd won if i had some farm because we simply had inferior dmg in the end.
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Lalalaland34492 Posts
Are you sure it was BoTs and not his standard teleport? Because that is the difference between a standard QQ post and a gem post. Care to link the match id?
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Just made a game with a random invoker. He was the first to pick and normally claimed mid. I was with 3 friends, one of mine random Lifestealer. And Invoker goes mad :
"I mid, naix solo botlane, get enigma and to some agressive trilane top and it's easy win"
They already picked in the dire side : PA, Rubick, Lone Druid, Beastmaster, QoP.
We decided to run an agressive pick with wisp and nyx. Last pick was the suicide lane : Warlock. (WHAAAAAT)
At this stage, i'd expect invoker to go mad as fuck to warlock who is obviously bad as an offlaner, but no, he just goes angry at me, whisp, and my friend naix to "fucking ruin the game".
Totally ignoring him, we managed to get first blood at lvl 1, killing beastmaster, but invoker was already mad that we weren't playing his game (also, was all pick, not a fucking captain mode where he was the fucking captain).
3 minutes later, hitting lvl 3 with wisp and nyx, we got a kill on QoP mid, we did rotate top to kill syllabear, which we did but QoP PA and Rubick were running our way and we both died. Anyway, this start was kinda good, but with those death invoker was like "fuck you feeder the game is ruined because of you, reported dota gonna be better without you".
Mmmmmmh, what ?
Long story short, we didn't managed to get successful ganks with nyx + whisp + naix, trying to gank PA overfarmed (killed many times a big creep called warlock), and sylla rubick coming shortly after didn't helped us. Later on, we lost teamfight after teamfight, warlock tried a smoke gank without his ult, running into their 5 hero stack. Invoker even more mad at naix and me, for absolutely no reason.
They're games that just makes you want to uninstall this game ...
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On January 06 2013 09:01 Firebolt145 wrote:
Are you sure it was BoTs and not his standard teleport? Because that is the difference between a standard QQ post and a gem post. Care to link the match id?
Ah yeah sorry i wrote prophet, it was krobelus aka death prophet. Not furion.
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Just lost a game it was 41-16 to us. They had insane amounts of anti push and team fight and a AM who just split pushed all game. We had some retard picks cause we like to random and it just didn't work. We had no strong push or anti push or team fight shit, we just picked them off loads ><.
Also Treants ult even tho it got nerfed made me lose the past 2 games. That shit is so strong for some reason in pubbies -.-
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My last _8_ games have been absolute complete stomps. In a almost perfectely alternating win, loss, win, loss fashion. Fuck, just want a good game ><
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Apparently boots first solo mid Luna is not the best build against OD.
Also, Drow think's stats are better than aura.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TbDHn.png?1)
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are you smurfing or what is going on.
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On January 06 2013 12:42 aintz wrote:
are you smurfing or what is going on.
No, but I do generally solo queue. I've just had a run of games where people who are new / awful play with their friends and get into games which are out of their skill level. Or maybe I'm terrible. :-)
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Shadow Fiend on my team level 15 at 40 mins.. Started mid too.
Also.. Another thing that really grinds my gears... When people located REALLY far away from the server they're playing on complain about delay/lag... Like no shit.. DON'T FUCKING PLAY ON US WEST IF YOU'RE FROM BRAZIL. Its as if some people don't grasp the concept that if they're located far away from the server geographically, that they will have considerable delay.
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On January 06 2013 12:42 aintz wrote:
are you smurfing or what is going on.
No he is not, you can tell its very high mm by looking at SnY Drow and Necro Disruptor.
Also Radiance Visage Oo. I would have understood something like Mjollnir/MKB but wtf is that shit.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
What really gets me is people who only care about their personal K/D record in a manner severely detrimental to the team. I don't mind people stupidly chasing someone or stealing a kill every now and then because that's fun, but when someone goes complete apeshit when you "steal" their kill, starting to spew insults in caps, that's something I wish there was a kick vote for. Those people don't give a shit that it was you who set up the kill in the first place, that the only reason you took the kill was because you thought it was not a guaranteed kill for them, no, that doesn't matter, what matters is that you dared to make their already inflated K/D a tiny bit worse, you FUCKING NOOB. Or those Zeus players who never ever pay attention to escaping enemies to finish them, but will "finish" people who were already 100% dead in a team fight totally wasting their ulti.
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Ugh had really high hopes for a game. Our picks: Huskar(me), Prophet, Tiny(not playing carry tiny obv), Dark seer and ES. Opponents chooses tri carry lineup. "We have this from the get go" i say to myself as we start, oh boy was i wrong. The game is even, no team gaining a proper upperhand in kills but there is one thing. I get no kills, everyone steals the lasthit, like GOES for the lasthit on every gank and in every teamfight. I also have to buy dust and wards for enemy riki and gondar since well, nobody else does. So i ward them, several time, jump in with ulti, wail at them, they are on 10% HP, tiny blinks in for the lasthit. This happens like 5-6 times. I pay for the kill, and don´t get it. On top of this, whenever i port to a lane or go to a creep camp, prophet comes after me with BoT's and instantly kills the entire wave pretty much. By 51min i have 3-7-14 or something and enemy drow now has farm, we loose. I end with like 90 CK´s, completing my bkb at like 50min with a armlet and helm of dom.
Kept telling them all game long, but nooo they told me "it doesn't matter who gets the kill". Like. Ugh. 1 - 4 tonight. And i just had a luna who went 0 - 5 in 4 min on mid, rubick kept telling me to dive and save him when i had 30% hp vs 3-4 people. Matchmaking cannot be working as intended, seriously. The opposing teams tonight have been MILES ahead of my teammates. They have supports who buys wards, mekas and shit. My team doesn´t know to split vs a lich ulti.
Go for utilitie build, i random mostly in AP and i almost never repick, so when i get some carry pick or what ever, I make up from a go if I want to be strong carry or not, carrys can be supports, it just depends on how much of your carry potential are you willing to let go. Whining about it dont make anything better, adjusting does.
I can easily play treads, drums, ward buying mirana, making good decisions on ulti ganking, buying wards and dust, etc,
also if the game allows you can easily just afk farm and ward for your own safety. They way I see it, if noone else in our team buys anything, ill do it and i do it for my own safety to maximize my own potential, I dont always go for ganks, i play it a lot like single player, but its useful for team and later in game im also useful 
These games are not G-League or International Grand Finals, so adjusting and not sticking to streamed game play is positive side, do different and almost nonsense builds, its easy to win that way. 
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On January 06 2013 22:27 Humunuk wrote:Show nested quote +Ugh had really high hopes for a game. Our picks: Huskar(me), Prophet, Tiny(not playing carry tiny obv), Dark seer and ES. Opponents chooses tri carry lineup. "We have this from the get go" i say to myself as we start, oh boy was i wrong. The game is even, no team gaining a proper upperhand in kills but there is one thing. I get no kills, everyone steals the lasthit, like GOES for the lasthit on every gank and in every teamfight. I also have to buy dust and wards for enemy riki and gondar since well, nobody else does. So i ward them, several time, jump in with ulti, wail at them, they are on 10% HP, tiny blinks in for the lasthit. This happens like 5-6 times. I pay for the kill, and don´t get it. On top of this, whenever i port to a lane or go to a creep camp, prophet comes after me with BoT's and instantly kills the entire wave pretty much. By 51min i have 3-7-14 or something and enemy drow now has farm, we loose. I end with like 90 CK´s, completing my bkb at like 50min with a armlet and helm of dom.
Kept telling them all game long, but nooo they told me "it doesn't matter who gets the kill". Like. Ugh. 1 - 4 tonight. And i just had a luna who went 0 - 5 in 4 min on mid, rubick kept telling me to dive and save him when i had 30% hp vs 3-4 people. Matchmaking cannot be working as intended, seriously. The opposing teams tonight have been MILES ahead of my teammates. They have supports who buys wards, mekas and shit. My team doesn´t know to split vs a lich ulti. Go for utilitie build, i random mostly in AP and i almost never repick, so when i get some carry pick or what ever, I make up from a go if I want to be strong carry or not, carrys can be supports, it just depends on how much of your carry potential are you willing to let go. Whining about it dont make anything better, adjusting does. I can easily play treads, drums, ward buying mirana, making good decisions on ulti ganking, buying wards and dust, etc, also if the game allows you can easily just afk farm and ward for your own safety. They way I see it, if noone else in our team buys anything, ill do it and i do it for my own safety to maximize my own potential, I dont always go for ganks, i play it a lot like single player, but its useful for team and later in game im also useful These games are not G-League or International Grand Finals, so adjusting and not sticking to streamed game play is positive side, do different and almost nonsense builds, its easy to win that way.
Yup, be flexible and play for the team are critical in any pub game. 1 ward can change the game completely or one selfish move may cost the team a game.
And since most pubbies can only play very limited amount of heroes (and literally have no clues how to play non-carry heroes), going for semi or supportive heroes are better in pub, just let those players play their carries.
Many people want to play a game in 'fixed' way (reminds me of HoN) which is only good if you can play in a full stack.
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On January 06 2013 23:58 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:27 Humunuk wrote:Ugh had really high hopes for a game. Our picks: Huskar(me), Prophet, Tiny(not playing carry tiny obv), Dark seer and ES. Opponents chooses tri carry lineup. "We have this from the get go" i say to myself as we start, oh boy was i wrong. The game is even, no team gaining a proper upperhand in kills but there is one thing. I get no kills, everyone steals the lasthit, like GOES for the lasthit on every gank and in every teamfight. I also have to buy dust and wards for enemy riki and gondar since well, nobody else does. So i ward them, several time, jump in with ulti, wail at them, they are on 10% HP, tiny blinks in for the lasthit. This happens like 5-6 times. I pay for the kill, and don´t get it. On top of this, whenever i port to a lane or go to a creep camp, prophet comes after me with BoT's and instantly kills the entire wave pretty much. By 51min i have 3-7-14 or something and enemy drow now has farm, we loose. I end with like 90 CK´s, completing my bkb at like 50min with a armlet and helm of dom.
Kept telling them all game long, but nooo they told me "it doesn't matter who gets the kill". Like. Ugh. 1 - 4 tonight. And i just had a luna who went 0 - 5 in 4 min on mid, rubick kept telling me to dive and save him when i had 30% hp vs 3-4 people. Matchmaking cannot be working as intended, seriously. The opposing teams tonight have been MILES ahead of my teammates. They have supports who buys wards, mekas and shit. My team doesn´t know to split vs a lich ulti. Go for utilitie build, i random mostly in AP and i almost never repick, so when i get some carry pick or what ever, I make up from a go if I want to be strong carry or not, carrys can be supports, it just depends on how much of your carry potential are you willing to let go. Whining about it dont make anything better, adjusting does. I can easily play treads, drums, ward buying mirana, making good decisions on ulti ganking, buying wards and dust, etc, also if the game allows you can easily just afk farm and ward for your own safety. They way I see it, if noone else in our team buys anything, ill do it and i do it for my own safety to maximize my own potential, I dont always go for ganks, i play it a lot like single player, but its useful for team and later in game im also useful These games are not G-League or International Grand Finals, so adjusting and not sticking to streamed game play is positive side, do different and almost nonsense builds, its easy to win that way. Yup, be flexible and play for the team are critical in any pub game. 1 ward can change the game completely or one selfish move may cost the team a game. And since most pubbies can only play very limited amount of heroes (and literally have no clues how to play non-carry heroes), going for semi or supportive heroes are better in pub, just let those players play their carries.Many people want to play a game in 'fixed' way (reminds me of HoN) which is only good if you can play in a full stack.
They have no clue how to play carries either. "My cs is fine shut up" after missing 4 out of 5 creeps without any other hero or tower interference. Building retarded items for reasons they cannot explain, I've seen too many Butterfly rushes to have faith in pub carries.
On another note: I just played a game with a Brewmaster who a) did not get Blink and b) just didn't ulti in teamfights.
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^ha, playing good is a different thing
I know exactly what you mean, those shocking moments when you expect your free farm carry to be so fat but he ended up........
/puke blood
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undying + treant + obsidian fucking OP what the F*k just got face rolled 39-60 LOL
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Going to win a game, then get hit with 1k ping. I can't do anything, and as the carry we pretty much lose.
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Dudeeeee come onnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Queueing with my friend, low level but still "very high" bracket (which I realize has a lot of variation in it): Invoker picked, demands mid, at level 3 he says "how do you close the invoker spell window??????." When asked if he's ever going to leave mid after not having done so for 10 minutes while there have been like 20 kills he says "invoker isn't supposed to leave mid til level 11."
Next game with that friend, BS demands mid, saved 4k gold without buying boots, doesn't leave mid even for people being quad-tower dove or being dove at tier 2s, doesn't leave mid for anything. Dies. Buysback, tps back, dies again. Lost 1.5k gold instantly. Then buys treads and a wraith band and goes afk in the jungle. Saves 4k, buys a relic (25 minutes). Oh wait, we've already been raxed.
Go on my higher ranked named, play with same friend. Pick my hero instead of randoming, for once, because I actually want to win. Luna/cm lane in easy lane dies over 10 times total to ogre/huskar lane. Enigma who randomed starts game with soul ring, leaving it to suicide picked windrunner to get chicken/all the wards. Enigma buys an 8minute naked blink and does absolutely nothing with it. I go 8-0 on invoker while team ends 0/12 CM, 0/8 enigma, 4/11 luna, and 1/9 wr (wr can't be blamed for that).
Play a solo queue game, first words from someone with 450 wins: "Chris how do I play gyro?" Proceeds to give first blood at level 1, then dies again before level 2 (before 1.5 minutes in game). Sf mid, "Chris," then dies at level 3 to tinker a moment later. I look over, tinker is at 100% hp without having used any regen, so no clue how one dies at level 3 like that. Then Tide, gyros lane partner, dies. We're down 0-4 before two minutes, three deaths from the same lane. 0/7 CM, 4/12 gyro, 4/8 sf, 2/7 tide. Sf had red boots and a bottle at 17 minutes (on SF, how?). I went afk after we got raxed so I don't know how that game turned out.
I don't know what happened. My MMR used to be pretty high. I'd solo queue on the first 5 pages generally. If I team queue with friends we're always top 5 pages. But now I solo queue and get some page 20 shitfest like I described above. I really do think something was changed in the MM system to allow for greater range of ranking when matching players together at around the beginning of December. It's been markedly worse. I played HON for a few years as well and I always thought Dota 2 did a much better job at matching your MMR faster and more accurately, but the games I've gotten for the past month feel very "Hon-esque." I've asked friends of mine and many have the same feeling. In HON the game allowed a huge range of MMRs to be matched up at the higher MMRs because there simply weren't enough players, but Dota 2 has way way way more players and that shouldn't be that much of an issue.
I'm not one of those people who complains about "mmr hell" and all that stupid shit. I think the game generally puts you where you belong. I have about a 50% winrate and I have played hundreds of games with much less skilled friends and was still able to play good games on my own or with my higher ranked friends because the game was doing an excellent job of assessing how the games should be weighted. Now, however, it just feels different. I'm just complaining to cover my own inadequacies.
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Oh reminded me of another game, had a doombringer go into jungle, never said a single word in English, spammed russian in all chat, 500 ping (this was on USE), made red boots + perserverance. And then we got raxed.
He had 1,240 wins and 50% win (so 2.5k games, at least). That has to be a shared account to be so bad. This guy singlehandedly showed me what all the Russian stereotyping is about. Russians for EU, BRs for USE, and Pinoys for USW. Awesome.
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