On November 09 2012 11:56 Narw wrote: If you expect me to reply to you be so nice and write in a way i can understand, thank you.
EDIT: Match starts with "why no tank". This will be good.
I had that once. I just told him "we'll just kill them before they kill us" and he was cool about it.
My QQ:
I kinda hate when people just start flaming me in languages I don't understand. Does it really take so much "guts" to come and say that to my face? I mean I would kinda like the feedback so I can, you know, fucking improve at the game but nooooo.... everybody expects me to play a god-level game without me having never heard any word of feedback. I guess that comes from wanting to play 1 or 2 slot (or solo mid) every game.
I mean I have brains but I can't really figure out when I should go for Tranquil Boots -> Soul Ring or Mana boots and Radiance or Linken's after that when playing as Siren when I'm like 30 wins in.
It's not too bad but I'm curious to why. The weird thing is that people tend to shut up when I just tell them "I'm bad, so what?"
Dunno, I'm there to play dota and not there to bitch at others being bad.
I've also noticed that it tends to take the wind right out of ragers when I just flat out admit I've had a bad game. Granted I'll only do this when it's true, but it doesn't help anyone to resist when it really was your fault that the game was lost.
I also like to QQ about people arguing in obscure languages, but only because I play exclusively on USE and USW servers.
We had enchant jungle, mirana mid, sven and leshrac top, and me (witch doctor) solo bot.
I started the game thinking fuuuccccckkkk.......I have to solo bot as wd, this is not gonna go well. However, to my pleasant surprise, I laned against a dk and jakiro that weren't very good, and I ended up going 3-1 after about 10 minutes (I really don't know how the fuck that happened, I thought they were going to wreck me).
Top lane, however, just got reamed. In 12 minutes, top managed to go 0-12 to a razor and a lich, and razor got fucking fat. The only kill that lane got was when our mirana (who was good) went top and killed razor. Otherwise, that lane spent the entire game basically respawning, tping, and dying.
I'm wondering if that was a bad lane matchup or something. It seems to me like sven + leshrac should be auto killing any squishy in that lane (sven stuns lich, lesh stuns lich, explosions = dead). Maybe I'm wrong though. Should that lane have lost? I know they shouldn't have lost that hard, but would that be a tricky lane?
Edit: Thanks for the reply, it seemed like that way to me, too, but sometimes I am not the greatest at calling lanes. I'm still pretty bad myself, but whateves. The game was considered "very high", though, funnily enough.
On November 10 2012 01:43 BallinWitStalin wrote: Just had a rough game:
We had enchant jungle, mirana mid, sven and leshrac top, and me (witch doctor) solo bot.
I started the game thinking fuuuccccckkkk.......I have to solo bot as wd, this is not gonna go well. However, to my pleasant surprise, I laned against a dk and jakiro that weren't very good, and I ended up going 3-1 after about 10 minutes (I really don't know how the fuck that happened, I thought they were going to wreck me).
Top lane, however, just got reamed. In 12 minutes, top managed to go 0-12 to a razor and a lich, and razor got fucking fat. The only kill that lane got was when our mirana (who was good) went top and killed razor. Otherwise, that lane spent the entire game basically respawning, tping, and dying.
I'm wondering if that was a bad lane matchup or something. It seems to me like sven + leshrac should be auto killing any squishy in that lane (sven stuns lich, lesh stuns lich, explosions = dead). Maybe I'm wrong though. Should that lane have lost? I know they shouldn't have lost that hard, but would that be a tricky lane?
They 100% should not have lost and it's clear they got wildly outplayed. Sven should've just initiated on Razor with a follow up stun by Lesh and that is it really. Razor COULD steal damage just as Lesh stun is finished but doesn't have anywhere near enough time to take enough damage before dying if not dying within those stuns too. I guess if they kept trying on Lich with his slow and Razor stealing Sven's damage it'd be a problem but.. double stun against a single slow? Double stun easily wins.
On November 10 2012 01:43 BallinWitStalin wrote: Just had a rough game:
We had enchant jungle, mirana mid, sven and leshrac top, and me (witch doctor) solo bot.
I started the game thinking fuuuccccckkkk.......I have to solo bot as wd, this is not gonna go well. However, to my pleasant surprise, I laned against a dk and jakiro that weren't very good, and I ended up going 3-1 after about 10 minutes (I really don't know how the fuck that happened, I thought they were going to wreck me).
Top lane, however, just got reamed. In 12 minutes, top managed to go 0-12 to a razor and a lich, and razor got fucking fat. The only kill that lane got was when our mirana (who was good) went top and killed razor. Otherwise, that lane spent the entire game basically respawning, tping, and dying.
I'm wondering if that was a bad lane matchup or something. It seems to me like sven + leshrac should be auto killing any squishy in that lane (sven stuns lich, lesh stuns lich, explosions = dead). Maybe I'm wrong though. Should that lane have lost? I know they shouldn't have lost that hard, but would that be a tricky lane?
They 100% should not have lost and it's clear they got wildly outplayed. Sven should've just initiated on Razor with a follow up stun by Lesh and that is it really. Razor COULD steal damage just as Lesh stun is finished but doesn't have anywhere near enough time to take enough damage before dying if not dying within those stuns too. I guess if they kept trying on Lich with his slow and Razor stealing Sven's damage it'd be a problem but.. double stun against a single slow? Double stun easily wins.
if razor stocks up on early hp its not that easy because of purge passive. depends on lesh's positioning on the edict
Razor/Lich has a lot of potential and can really punish mistakes, but if Sven/Lesh played well it would never come to that because Razor/Lich would die every time they got in range.
I think it's fair to say that Sven/Lesh failed, but at the same time it wasn't a "wild" outplay, since razor/lich can snowball pretty hard in lane if you make a small mistake early.
On November 10 2012 02:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Razor/Lich has a lot of potential and can really punish mistakes, but if Sven/Lesh played well it would never come to that because Razor/Lich would die every time they got in range.
I think it's fair to say that Sven/Lesh failed, but at the same time it wasn't a "wild" outplay, since razor/lich can snowball pretty hard in lane if you make a small mistake early.
yea if you miss the first kill sven has to wait until his mana is back up, which lets them have more time to do stuff because of lich deny. lich doesnt even have to be around really
On November 10 2012 01:43 BallinWitStalin wrote: Just had a rough game:
We had enchant jungle, mirana mid, sven and leshrac top, and me (witch doctor) solo bot.
I started the game thinking fuuuccccckkkk.......I have to solo bot as wd, this is not gonna go well. However, to my pleasant surprise, I laned against a dk and jakiro that weren't very good, and I ended up going 3-1 after about 10 minutes (I really don't know how the fuck that happened, I thought they were going to wreck me).
Top lane, however, just got reamed. In 12 minutes, top managed to go 0-12 to a razor and a lich, and razor got fucking fat. The only kill that lane got was when our mirana (who was good) went top and killed razor. Otherwise, that lane spent the entire game basically respawning, tping, and dying.
I'm wondering if that was a bad lane matchup or something. It seems to me like sven + leshrac should be auto killing any squishy in that lane (sven stuns lich, lesh stuns lich, explosions = dead). Maybe I'm wrong though. Should that lane have lost? I know they shouldn't have lost that hard, but would that be a tricky lane?
They 100% should not have lost and it's clear they got wildly outplayed. Sven should've just initiated on Razor with a follow up stun by Lesh and that is it really. Razor COULD steal damage just as Lesh stun is finished but doesn't have anywhere near enough time to take enough damage before dying if not dying within those stuns too. I guess if they kept trying on Lich with his slow and Razor stealing Sven's damage it'd be a problem but.. double stun against a single slow? Double stun easily wins.
if razor stocks up on early hp its not that easy because of purge passive. depends on lesh's positioning on the edict
Yeah but at level 3 the combined damage of a combo of Sven stun and auto-attack along with Lesh stun and edict plus auto attack should be more than enough to kill Razor even with purge. At level 3 I doubt you can really stack that much hp. Once you get that first kill (if you get FB, even better since you can just rush Soul Ring and just feed of Razor by doing the same thing) it becomes easier since you're ahead in gold and experience and also makes the Razor/Lich weary and play conservative instead of aggressive.
On November 10 2012 01:43 BallinWitStalin wrote: Just had a rough game:
We had enchant jungle, mirana mid, sven and leshrac top, and me (witch doctor) solo bot.
I started the game thinking fuuuccccckkkk.......I have to solo bot as wd, this is not gonna go well. However, to my pleasant surprise, I laned against a dk and jakiro that weren't very good, and I ended up going 3-1 after about 10 minutes (I really don't know how the fuck that happened, I thought they were going to wreck me).
Top lane, however, just got reamed. In 12 minutes, top managed to go 0-12 to a razor and a lich, and razor got fucking fat. The only kill that lane got was when our mirana (who was good) went top and killed razor. Otherwise, that lane spent the entire game basically respawning, tping, and dying.
I'm wondering if that was a bad lane matchup or something. It seems to me like sven + leshrac should be auto killing any squishy in that lane (sven stuns lich, lesh stuns lich, explosions = dead). Maybe I'm wrong though. Should that lane have lost? I know they shouldn't have lost that hard, but would that be a tricky lane?
They 100% should not have lost and it's clear they got wildly outplayed. Sven should've just initiated on Razor with a follow up stun by Lesh and that is it really. Razor COULD steal damage just as Lesh stun is finished but doesn't have anywhere near enough time to take enough damage before dying if not dying within those stuns too. I guess if they kept trying on Lich with his slow and Razor stealing Sven's damage it'd be a problem but.. double stun against a single slow? Double stun easily wins.
if razor stocks up on early hp its not that easy because of purge passive. depends on lesh's positioning on the edict
Yeah but at level 3 the combined damage of a combo of Sven stun and auto-attack along with Lesh stun and edict plus auto attack should be more than enough to kill Razor even with purge. At level 3 I doubt you can really stack that much hp. Once you get that first kill (if you get FB, even better since you can just rush Soul Ring and just feed of Razor by doing the same thing) it becomes easier since you're ahead in gold and experience and also makes the Razor/Lich weary and play conservative instead of aggressive.
On top of that the enchantress should come and help for ganks, with her creeps she can add even more crowd control and damage (afk jungle is usually bad, but even more with a hero like enchantress, you can have a very big impact with your first 2 creeps it would be stupid not to take advantage of that).
On November 09 2012 11:56 Narw wrote: If you expect me to reply to you be so nice and write in a way i can understand, thank you.
EDIT: Match starts with "why no tank". This will be good.
When people ask about tank I always answer politely, 'you're not looking for a tank, you're looking for an initiator. And we already have that in SK/ES/whatever'.
On November 09 2012 11:56 Narw wrote: If you expect me to reply to you be so nice and write in a way i can understand, thank you.
EDIT: Match starts with "why no tank". This will be good.
When people ask about tank I always answer politely, 'you're not looking for a tank, you're looking for an initiator. And we already have that in SK/ES/whatever'.
In the solo que. Minding my own business. Having a good time.
But then every fifth game or so it suddenly feels like half the team is playing like it's their first dota game ever. And every time I check them out it's some 3- or 4-stack with one decent guy and the rest are completely out of their league. GNNHH. Stop pairing me with these dudes.
Drow, Void(last pick), WR(me), Disruptor, and Invoker vs Clinkz, Lion, SF, Storm and Visage. Invoker have mad early game, going something crazy like 8-0, me and Drow get 3 kills on our lane vs Clinkz and Lion, also get good farm. Game goes well, something like 14-5. Dosn't matter. Then void decides "It's jungle time" after mask of madness being his first item). Well erm why. Opp team goes 5 man push tower after tower, kills start to wreck at SF. Void still farms jungle no matter what. Score getting even, they are reaching our raxes slowly with pushes. Void still farms. 10 or so mins of "farming" gave him mini crits.
Mid raxes being pushed, He lands semi-decent ulti for the FIRST time in game (trapped our Drow too tho, thats why semi decent). And then he procedss to kill... Lion. I ask him, why you don't you kill SF (game was prolly lost at this point since SF reached "i 3 shot you stage but anyway)? "He would explode". Oh boy, it was first time i called someone names in Dota 2 voice chat.
And this hurts so much couse both me and Disruptor supported the LIVING FUCKING SHIT of this moron. Drow getting Deadalus as first item didn't helped too, at least i can see from where that was comming considering how big our advantage seemed at first.
On November 10 2012 04:55 murwalrus wrote: In the solo que. Minding my own business. Having a good time.
But then every fifth game or so it suddenly feels like half the team is playing like it's their first dota game ever. And every time I check them out it's some 3- or 4-stack with one decent guy and the rest are completely out of their league. GNNHH. Stop pairing me with these dudes.
Only 1 in 5 games? For me it feels like 3/5 of my games. You should consider yourself lucky.
On November 09 2012 13:56 Narw wrote: Jugg, Ogre + Ursa on easy lane vs NS and Pugna? Please, just don't make me call you clueless.
you have no idea what you're talking about i'll 2v3 you, same matchup, any time
Can someone be bothered to open up this matchup for me? I'd guess being double melee hurts, Jugg+Ogre use up mana fast, and you can't kill NS too easily. Decrep into void into blast to also hurts Jugg quite a bit? Ursa just does nothing with a decrepify on him, I feel.
6 game winning streak broken by a centaur who buys blink first. and then proceeds to use it once the entire game. and a sniper pick. always a sniper pick...
edit: cus initiating with stampede with nothing but a dagger is better...
On November 09 2012 13:56 Narw wrote: Jugg, Ogre + Ursa on easy lane vs NS and Pugna? Please, just don't make me call you clueless.
you have no idea what you're talking about i'll 2v3 you, same matchup, any time
Can someone be bothered to open up this matchup for me? I'd guess being double melee hurts, Jugg+Ogre use up mana fast, and you can't kill NS too easily. Decrep into void into blast to also hurts Jugg quite a bit? Ursa just does nothing with a decrepify on him, I feel.
It depends on how you lane. If ogre keeps running lane with jugg, there's a good chance both will get harassed because of pugna's auto attack and blast. But if the ogre supports from the jungle (stay out of sight), it's harder for pugna to harass, and they have to play safe because they don't know when ogre will jump out.
Overall, NS and pugna can easily win this game because of the sheer nuke abilities they have. Juggs might have a hard time to farm early game, but that is fine imo. All jugg and ogre needs is level, they can just try to pull creep to tower to get level fast, then they can kill pugna pretty easily.
EPT
