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SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
November 07 2012 19:42 GMT
#4001
Who's going to want to pigeonhole oneself to just playing support when they queue? That box would most likely never be ticked. People willing to pick support for the team already do so, if they aren't picking right away, I'd think.
So zen.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
November 07 2012 19:48 GMT
#4002
Eh the reoccurring theme seems to go

I pick support, carries are shit or awful picks all round

I go carry team picks 4 more carries and I buy the courier or we don't have one

Sensible games are a rarity
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 21:54:24
November 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#4003
I cant do this anymore... I cant..

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME I CARRY AND MY TEAM IS CLUELESS WHAT TO DO.

I just got out of a game where I went 5-0 as SB mid early game. Fucking owned the shit out of Tiny mid, I showed him whats up. Then my entire team goes full retard. Doesnt know where to place wards. Says we need all 5 to teamfight, and Im like: "NO, WE HAVE LICH AND CM, WE CAN 3V5 ANY TEAMFIGHT, WE DO NOT NEED CHRONO ULT". But no, they fucking insisted on Chrono being with us 24/7 instead of letting him farm. OMFG, OK CMON, IF WE HAVE BIG TEAMFIGHT ULTS WE CAN INITATE EASILY, IM FUCKING SB FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, AS LONG AS UR BEHIND ME AND NOT SHY WITH UR ULTS WE CAN FUCKING WIN. But no, they fucking sit behind tower, playing like cowards. Holy fuck man. Enemy team wasnt even that good to begin with, it seems like theyre just a stack of friends that 5 man dotas as soon as theyre losing, AND IT WORKS. Why? BECAUSE MY TEAM HAS NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE GAME.

Seriously, if Valve doesnt fix matchmaking soon, Ima burn out so quickly. Dont make it so that if youre a solo queuer with a positive winrate were gonna be matched with really bad players who are clearly not in the same skill level as you. Im not even good, I know im not, but all I ask is for players to have some fucking common sense when it comes to map awareness and knowing when to initiate. HOLY FUCK MAN.

Please Valve, stop making matchmaking like this:
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Its not fun for anyone
Skol
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 00:23:54
November 08 2012 00:23 GMT
#4004
People who pick prophet and go to the woods after all four other players have set up their lanes and the woods is taken. And then feed couriers while complaining about how late their midas' are because someone was already in the woods before they even picked. Also only use english when cussing someone out.

FUCK.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 08 2012 00:30 GMT
#4005
happened couple days ago and not really QQ but a QQ rant i think the other team's cm deserved

an enemy riki on offlane went vlads first and started bitching how all his deaths came from the incompetent CM babysitter.
It amazes me how people like this exist. I checked all his previous riki games and he goes

Vlads -> Sange&Yasha -> Dif blade

If he used that vlads to push with team and etc I mean yeah I guess it somewhat makes sense but he rushes vlads first and farms the whole game
dats racist
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
November 08 2012 00:31 GMT
#4006
One of the unwritten rules of the game is to never ever consider a game won unless you have really solid proof that the enemy team can't possibly push even when given the perfect conditions (like being 2 rax down and with poor creep clearing abilities). If you don't, you may overcommit and do things anyone would otherwise classify as stupid (even you, but you are blinded by the taste of, presumably, certain victory). That is what makes you dive way too deep for insignificant kills, or to push endlessly instead of going back, farming and punishing the other team if they overextend. I have seen it happen so often in even in competitive play (and mostly by non-Chinese teams, which is why I've started appreciating them more), no wonder it happens often in pubs.

The beauty of this game is that, as long as you have something to work with (like good gold and/or xp on one or more heroes, nice pick synergy or some sort of counter - either natural, via abilities, or from items - to the enemy heroes) you are still in the game. A one sided teamfight can turn the game around, or at least give back much of the lost ground. The base offers a strong natural advantage to the defender, sometimes you can't push the t3 tower despite being light years ahead of the enemy team.

There is such a fine line between not dragging a game too long and rushing to end it asap (and making mistakes in the process), few people can walk it.
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 01:07:49
November 08 2012 00:38 GMT
#4007
Got 0 wins dude in game where everyone have at least 300+ games. OK TY VALVE.
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 08:24:01
November 08 2012 08:23 GMT
#4008
give 1st blood as Drow to AM+Jakiro (bullshit spell) in hard lane, go on to feed 0-9
lucky our TA manage to hold the fort and kicking the Razor @$$ mid.

Somehow manage to farm enough to get lothar and daedulus, went on 8 kill streaks and finish the match 8-10

And not a single insult the whole match long, Dota is strange sometimes
Put quote here for readability
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
November 08 2012 11:55 GMT
#4009
On November 08 2012 04:48 Denzil wrote:
Eh the reoccurring theme seems to go

I pick support, carries are shit or awful picks all round

I go carry team picks 4 more carries and I buy the courier or we don't have one

Sensible games are a rarity


Practically every single game...yeah...

And yeah, nobody ever buys courier. I've even had to buy it on AM. Hell, one game I played Naga and we actually won the game after 40 minutes with no courier all game. Just like...wtf?
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8257 Posts
November 08 2012 12:16 GMT
#4010
On November 08 2012 20:55 Lightspeaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 04:48 Denzil wrote:
Eh the reoccurring theme seems to go

I pick support, carries are shit or awful picks all round

I go carry team picks 4 more carries and I buy the courier or we don't have one

Sensible games are a rarity


Practically every single game...yeah...

And yeah, nobody ever buys courier. I've even had to buy it on AM. Hell, one game I played Naga and we actually won the game after 40 minutes with no courier all game. Just like...wtf?


I also love the "Buy it yourself!" shout to whoever is going mid. And then blaming said mid for losing the lane because of late bottle, a few less kills, a death, and snowballing from there. All because the Jakiro needed to go boots first..
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 08 2012 12:26 GMT
#4011
On November 08 2012 21:16 Excludos wrote:
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On November 08 2012 20:55 Lightspeaker wrote:
On November 08 2012 04:48 Denzil wrote:
Eh the reoccurring theme seems to go

I pick support, carries are shit or awful picks all round

I go carry team picks 4 more carries and I buy the courier or we don't have one

Sensible games are a rarity


Practically every single game...yeah...

And yeah, nobody ever buys courier. I've even had to buy it on AM. Hell, one game I played Naga and we actually won the game after 40 minutes with no courier all game. Just like...wtf?


I also love the "Buy it yourself!" shout to whoever is going mid. And then blaming said mid for losing the lane because of late bottle, a few less kills, a death, and snowballing from there. All because the Jakiro needed to go boots first..


BS like that seems to be getting common nowadays since that mass invite waves. Games were really good back when it was like 4000people in beta. Nowadays you get monkeys who have 0 team work concept in their brains in these 'very high skill' games. Even dendi whined about it: 'they put 5 mike tyson in the oppo team but give me 4 kindergardens'.

I understand this is inevitable when the game gets bigger but broken mm is just broken. I don't mind losing in good games but when your team utterly has no clue wtf is going on and the oppo team have lane ward since the start, it is really disheartening to lose game like that.

At this rate I might go back dota1 or keep making new account (in lower mm everyone is noob so no problem I can carry and support with my midas npnp).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
November 08 2012 12:57 GMT
#4012
Due to the constant invites MM is bad atm... You get new "halfway" ok players which go on a tear in their first few games.. They end up in High/Very high bracket and fuck over everyone else.

Give it time... Loads of time. I doubt fixing the MMS is Valves priority atm
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
November 08 2012 13:36 GMT
#4013
On November 08 2012 21:26 BurningSera wrote:

I understand this is inevitable when the game gets bigger but broken mm is just broken. I don't mind losing in good games but when your team utterly has no clue wtf is going on and the oppo team have lane ward since the start, it is really disheartening to lose game like that.


Played a game as TA recently with no rune wards. Of course the opposing team had them so their mid got basically all the runes until I hit level 6 and could put traps on them. Ended up facing repeated 2v1 rune-backed ganks. Lost a couple of deaths and was underfarmed.

Of course the loss was all my fault, totally ignoring the fact Axe fed them like 10 kills in the first 20 minutes. -_-
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
November 08 2012 13:53 GMT
#4014
On November 08 2012 04:16 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 01:41 SilverStar wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:40 Brainling wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:32 itsthewoo wrote:
Guys. There's a difference between being foreign and being uncooperative. Pinging and using the mini-map is sufficient for communication in most pub games. Foreigners also tend to understand "b." I fully agree that there is often the case that the non-English speakers don't even pay attention to pinging and mini-map drawings, but I also get that with English speakers... just coupled with flaming and "stfu."



This isn't a racism thing, or a nationalism thing..

Always followed by a racist comment. There are more languages than English in America. I'm sorry.


This is the dumbest shit I have ever read. It's not racist to expect to be able to communicate in English in a game about communicating well with 4 other people that is based on U.S. servers. English is our primary language. It is on all the signs, papers, forms of communication, historical records, etc. until the end of time. If we had a secondary language, it would be Spanish, but it appears in tandem with English, and only in areas with high Hispanic populations.

So you're telling me you wouldn't get frustrated if you got paired with 4 Russian or Asian players that you couldn't communicate with at all, even though you were queueing on the European or American servers? If so, I call bullshit. The different servers exist for several reasons, one of which is ease of communication. If you get five players from different regions, with different pings, speaking different languages, it is a bad experience for everyone. That's not racism.

No, I don't get annoyed at all.
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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
November 08 2012 14:05 GMT
#4015
I rarley talk or commuicate with people. If i am talking it usually involves me flaming my team.
if you can believe you can concieve
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
November 08 2012 14:58 GMT
#4016
On November 08 2012 21:57 Velr wrote:
Due to the constant invites MM is bad atm... You get new "halfway" ok players which go on a tear in their first few games.. They end up in High/Very high bracket and fuck over everyone else.

Give it time... Loads of time. I doubt fixing the MMS is Valves priority atm


I don't even know how they could fix it if they tried. There are so many factors determining the outcome of a game (other players on your team, other team, whether you're good with your hero, whether allies/opponents are good with their heroes, your team comp, opponent's team comp, etc.) that a single number that attempts to determine skill would have an incredible amount of noise. You can't even smooth it out with large numbers, since these factors change significantly every game.

Honestly I'm not sure if there's a solution to the one-sided games in solo queue. In CM sure, because there you have much more static values - team comp and your team's skill and ability with heroes should be relatively static between games, and so should those of your opponent. But solo queue is a crap-shoot every game.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
November 08 2012 15:39 GMT
#4017
so last night for the first time in my gaming existence i have finally broken something.

I qued up with 3 of my other friends and we proceed to get a fairly strong advantage and i would depict us as being quite ahead. Then one of my fellow friends has a fire alarm go off and then proceeds to panic and simply leave with the game still running. Apparently even if someone even gets an abandon it doesn't let you control that persons player??? but anways the person that doesn't que just decides to leave even though we can probably still win with our big advantage. So have to micro 2 heros no big deal have won game before doing that so what i take my eyes off my main hero for a second and dies immediately to drow ranger. We then proceed to get fucked with our remaining heros and just something ticked me off and i just slam my headset breaking it.

I am not proud.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
November 08 2012 20:34 GMT
#4018
I'm beginning to feel like I should just report every Lifestealer I see who goes jungle, goes straight Hand of Midas, doesn't participate in any ganks or teamfights, then is apparently surprised when all the towers are gone 15 minutes in after his team's had to fight 4v5, and now he can't farm anymore and has HoM, Treads, and half an Armlet.

Every time I see someone else play him, this happens. My friend is in a game right now and has had the same thing. It doesn't even make sense because Naix is perfectly good in a duolane thanks to his slow.
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
November 08 2012 20:40 GMT
#4019
On November 09 2012 05:34 GentleDrill wrote:
I'm beginning to feel like I should just report every Lifestealer I see who goes jungle, goes straight Hand of Midas, doesn't participate in any ganks or teamfights, then is apparently surprised when all the towers are gone 15 minutes in after his team's had to fight 4v5, and now he can't farm anymore and has HoM, Treads, and half an Armlet.

Every time I see someone else play him, this happens. My friend is in a game right now and has had the same thing. It doesn't even make sense because Naix is perfectly good in a duolane thanks to his slow.


The problem is that pubbies believe that Naix is a jungler. While possible, it slows down Lifestealer's mid-game considerably.
However, when forced to jungle because of such pubbies that believe Naix is a jungler, a Hand of Midas is CORE - or you just end up underleveled.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Maggost
Profile Joined August 2011
Venezuela296 Posts
November 08 2012 21:07 GMT
#4020
Okay so here's my QQ story:

I almost lost every game and i get nuked everytime without knowing what is going on, items are expensive, denying and last hiting creep in a melee vs ranged lane is terrible. My teammates never help, a lot of people are going afk, teammates are worse than me.

The good thing is that Dota 2 have good graphics lol.
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