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On November 07 2012 07:34 Dead9 wrote: wait can i play diretide with bots so they can carry me to victory and i still get items? or does that not work
are you giving me the ironing in the qq thread?
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I just won a game that I had...absolutely no reason to win. None. We played a...Riki, Jakiro, Vengeful Spirit (me), Meepo, Sniper team vs a Dazzle, AM, Weaver, Viper, Slardar team. And we got RAPED early game. Lost every lane. Riki was mid for some unknown reason, Meepo was getting 0 farm and dying a lot, Sniper overextended and pushed the lane, I was doing bad too, etc. Shit got bad - 20 minutes in ant the score was 12-25 in their favor, by all means they should have steamrolled us.
But they didn't - and somehow, someway - we clawed our way back. To the point where we actually won teamfights
I still don't know how it happened, but somehow we just won so many teamfights that they lost all their racks.
I don't...how, what the fuck happened there
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Why does every game have to boil down to which team has supports actually playing support...
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Just played a game where I was the guy that made decision that sealed the game as a loss. Way too complicated to explain by text. If you're interested, check the replay (matchid: 59085499). It's at the very very end.
Went in with a 5-stack (though a couple said it was their last game). Right after the game, the party disbanded without saying anything in party chat. QQ.
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On November 07 2012 09:25 Bash wrote: Why does every game have to boil down to which team has supports actually playing support...
I've played like 10-15 games in the last two days. The only wards I've seen are the ones that I drop myself.
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On November 07 2012 15:14 itsthewoo wrote: Just played a game where I was the guy that made decision that sealed the game as a loss. Way too complicated to explain by text. If you're interested, check the replay (matchid: 59085499). It's at the very very end.
Went in with a 5-stack (though a couple said it was their last game). Right after the game, the party disbanded without saying anything in party chat. QQ.
everyone make mistakes, don't beat yourself up over it.
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On November 07 2012 08:44 hooahah wrote: I just won a game that I had...absolutely no reason to win. None. We played a...Riki, Jakiro, Vengeful Spirit (me), Meepo, Sniper team vs a Dazzle, AM, Weaver, Viper, Slardar team. And we got RAPED early game. Lost every lane. Riki was mid for some unknown reason, Meepo was getting 0 farm and dying a lot, Sniper overextended and pushed the lane, I was doing bad too, etc. Shit got bad - 20 minutes in ant the score was 12-25 in their favor, by all means they should have steamrolled us.
But they didn't - and somehow, someway - we clawed our way back. To the point where we actually won teamfights
I still don't know how it happened, but somehow we just won so many teamfights that they lost all their racks.
I don't...how, what the fuck happened there
It's quite easy it's happened to me before, after being so far ahead you get careless and sloppy on your farm and they just try hard their way back into the game
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On November 07 2012 09:25 Bash wrote: Why does every game have to boil down to which team has supports actually playing support...
Goddamn autolose when the opponent has 1/2 proper support, there is simply no way to win. I fcking facepalm when our carries cant carry when i support and then when i carry our team refuse to win game by playing 0 support. MM has been dreadful since 1 month ago.
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dota2 MM should have at least designated roles before rolling the find match button, like a checkbox containing numbers 1-5, and you can only check one. But that's too far from reality
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Everyone would pick carry, just as everyone wants to dps in wow
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On November 08 2012 02:36 Incze wrote: Everyone would pick carry, just as everyone wants to dps in wow
If that's so, then they'll have long wait times, while the other positions find games quickly since carries are a dime a dozen.
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It would be exactly like raiding in cataclysm was. Waiting for up to an hour at a time for a single tank to join the queue. It really doesn't work, unless you're the tank (fifth position in this case, probably)
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Somebody please reassure me that I don't need to explain why this is a terrible idea.
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On November 07 2012 01:41 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 01:40 Brainling wrote:On November 07 2012 01:32 itsthewoo wrote: Guys. There's a difference between being foreign and being uncooperative. Pinging and using the mini-map is sufficient for communication in most pub games. Foreigners also tend to understand "b." I fully agree that there is often the case that the non-English speakers don't even pay attention to pinging and mini-map drawings, but I also get that with English speakers... just coupled with flaming and "stfu." This isn't a racism thing, or a nationalism thing.. Always followed by a racist comment. There are more languages than English in America. I'm sorry.
This is the dumbest shit I have ever read. It's not racist to expect to be able to communicate in English in a game about communicating well with 4 other people that is based on U.S. servers. English is our primary language. It is on all the signs, papers, forms of communication, historical records, etc. until the end of time. If we had a secondary language, it would be Spanish, but it appears in tandem with English, and only in areas with high Hispanic populations.
So you're telling me you wouldn't get frustrated if you got paired with 4 Russian or Asian players that you couldn't communicate with at all, even though you were queueing on the European or American servers? If so, I call bullshit. The different servers exist for several reasons, one of which is ease of communication. If you get five players from different regions, with different pings, speaking different languages, it is a bad experience for everyone. That's not racism.
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Well if you tick the #5 box valve could make it so you can only pick of potential #5 position heroes, so you actually have to play, what you queued up for- This would only work for -ap obviously. Unlike in cata, where classes like pally, druid or warri, queued up as tank, while actually playing DD, just because there was the possibility of your class being able to do multiple things, abusing the system etc.
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On November 08 2012 04:16 Talron wrote: Well if you tick the #5 box valve could make it so you can only pick of potential #5 position heroes, so you actually have to play, what you queued up for- This would only work for -ap obviously. Unlike in cata, where classes like pally, druid or warri, queued up as tank, while actually playing DD, just because there was the possibility of your class being able to do multiple things, abusing the system etc.
But then what's stopping you from picking Leshrac or another similar hero and taking all the farm and trying to carry? I don't disagree that the concept would be useful in ensuring more balanced teams, but if all people have to do is check a box saying they'll support to get lightning-fast queues, you can bet people will abuse it even if they have no intention of supporting.
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the only thing that bothers me currently in game is Centaurs ultimate.
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Okay, if you want balanced team makeups, either queue for Captains Mode (very simple) or queue with multiple friends (4 or 5 stack). Very simple.
Please don't forget that you can run stuff like push strats, 3 carry strats, 4 protect 1, double-jungle strats, etc etc. There is *no* reason to pidgeonhole completely random people into roles before the picking stage even starts.
And as mentioned, heroes can be played different ways. I mean, some pro team ran Mirana support recently.
That is the tip of the iceberg of terribleness that is this idea.
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On November 08 2012 04:25 Sn0_Man wrote: Okay, if you want balanced team makeups, either queue for Captains Mode (very simple) or queue with multiple friends (4 or 5 stack). Very simple.
Please don't forget that you can run stuff like push strats, 3 carry strats, 4 protect 1, double-jungle strats, etc etc. There is *no* reason to pidgeonhole completely random people into roles before the picking stage even starts.
And as mentioned, heroes can be played different ways. I mean, some pro team ran Mirana support recently.
That is the tip of the iceberg of terribleness that is this idea.
And all of those strategies require people in a support role. It doesn't have to be people checking a box from 1-5 indicating what role they want to play, it just means giving people the option to indicate they are willing to play a support role and ensuring there is at least one of those players on each side. Would that be so difficult or so terrible? You don't need to pigeonhole them into a hero either, just know that if they check that option, which indicates to their team they are willing to play support, and then don't do it, they'll get griefed, reported, and put into low priority most likely.
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I would totally check a box that entails getting "griefed, reported, and put into low priority most likely". Makes a lot of sense, and the random people I get matched with would *never* abuse such a system.
Honestly, the idea is terrible. As I said, if you feel like everybody only picks carry, then play with people you trust not to, or play CM. This isn't league where you have to run 1 top laner, 1 AD carry bot, 1 support bot, 1 jungler and 1 midlaner. There is far too much flexibility in lineups and in hero roles. I've won plenty of 5-carry games. Sure, it could have worked better, but that isn't the point.
It boils down to: If you think somebody should announce they are support BEFORE the game, then feel free to arrange that yourself. Don't ask valve to force it on others.
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