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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 12 2015 14:27 GMT
#10121
Alright I'm gonna go for this build. Next challenge: ordering stuff from a Chinese website. This is going to get interesting.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 12 2015 17:03 GMT
#10122
I'm pretty sure in China you could find some relatively modern power supply by Super Flower or some other brand that would be better for the price than the Corsair CX, but no big deal, and I don't think it would be all that much different. I think all of their current 80 plus bronze designs or higher are at least as good.
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
July 12 2015 18:43 GMT
#10123
hey guys, I am not sure if this is the right place for it but I didn't want to start a new topic.

Anyways, I ordered a PC today and the GPU is a ASUS ROG Matrix R9 290x (not the OC'd version). I read on the internet that this card some trouble with it's cooler. Is there anyone out here that owns the card and could tell me if it reduces it's clock speed in some games due to overheating? I don't care so much for the noise or anything since I am wearing a headset or earplugs all the time anyway but if the card really isn't able to run on 100% performance, then I will cancel my order.

Thanks for any replies.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
July 12 2015 19:04 GMT
#10124
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2453389,00.asp

take a look at the "Fan Profiles and Throttling" paragraph.
Age of Mythology forever!
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
July 12 2015 19:12 GMT
#10125
On July 13 2015 04:04 mantequilla wrote:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2453389,00.asp

take a look at the "Fan Profiles and Throttling" paragraph.


hmm, thanks for the reply but I am not sure the ASUS card will have that switch since it's not reference design. But it probably means that you can increase the fan rpm so that it won't overheat anyway.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20297 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 19:15:04
July 12 2015 19:14 GMT
#10126
The asus cooler is usable, it's just not the best
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
July 12 2015 19:18 GMT
#10127
What is the direct nvidia counterpart of r9 290x?
Age of Mythology forever!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 19:23:00
July 12 2015 19:20 GMT
#10128
All performance graphics cards these days adapt clock speeds based on temperature (and/or power) limits. You'll see lower clocks if the cooler can't keep up. In part that is your responsibility, giving it low enough intake air temperatures to work with and being able to expel the heated air efficiently. Note that the heat output depends on the workload you give it; different games and programs will behave differently.

There are some differences from sample to sample because of random differences in manufacturing quality and characteristics between different GPU chips, resulting in different voltages that need to be run and power consumption profiles. And there are big differences in coolers between models and even sample to sample as well, based on the exact shape of the mating surface in particular and perhaps if the cooler is loosened a bit by shipping.

This means that anything you read may not necessarily apply for your situation.

edit: GTX 970 is rough equivalent.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20297 Posts
July 12 2015 20:12 GMT
#10129
You should really buy 290, no reason to buy a 290x. The added cost is huge considering performance is almost identical (within 5%, even, at the same clock speeds)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
July 12 2015 20:27 GMT
#10130
I bought a complete (preassembled) system:
i7 4790k
ASUS ROG Matrix r9 290x
120 GB SSD
1 TB SATA hardrive
ASUS H81 mainboard
+optical drives, PSU, case

for 1000 euro.

There was no option to change to GPU and all the other options seemed less good. Is that way too much or close to a fair price?
mind mind mind mind mind mind
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-12 22:17:56
July 12 2015 22:16 GMT
#10131
On July 13 2015 05:27 JazVM wrote:
I bought a complete (preassembled) system:
i7 4790k
ASUS ROG Matrix r9 290x
120 GB SSD
1 TB SATA hardrive
ASUS H81 mainboard
+optical drives, PSU, case

for 1000 euro.

There was no option to change to GPU and all the other options seemed less good. Is that way too much or close to a fair price?


Uhh. It depends on the exact model of the psu, mobo, ram, SSD, hdd, and case at this point.
Imo, it seems like you may have gotten old parts at the price it was when they were released but I don't know. The processor or gpu seems fairly priced
Also, the optical drive may be unnecessary. I would put that money towards a cooler but there is no point to worry about that
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
July 13 2015 00:23 GMT
#10132
Hey TL, just wanted to share.
Installed an aftermarket cooler for the first time today because Witcher 3 has been eating my CPU alive. It would always be at 60-70C and would routinely break 70C. On other non-CPU intensive games it's usually at 50C+. On idle and regular web surfing stuff it's pretty cool at below 30C.
So I got a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo. I took my time and the installation went okay.
But the results are just not what I expected, it was much better! It idles below 20C now and when I play Witcher 3, the hottest core barely breaks 35C. It's great!!
I have an i5 4590 btw, just went with the stock cooler initially because I wasn't going to be overclocking.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
July 13 2015 02:02 GMT
#10133
Those temperatures sound inaccurate. Your CPU idling should be hotter than room temperature by several degrees. I would expect the load temps to be higher, as well (40s-50s).
twitch.tv/cratonz
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
July 13 2015 07:34 GMT
#10134
On July 13 2015 11:02 Craton wrote:
Those temperatures sound inaccurate. Your CPU idling should be hotter than room temperature by several degrees. I would expect the load temps to be higher, as well (40s-50s).


Well it is Canada. His room temp is probably like -50C.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-13 10:58:14
July 13 2015 10:07 GMT
#10135
On July 13 2015 16:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 11:02 Craton wrote:
Those temperatures sound inaccurate. Your CPU idling should be hotter than room temperature by several degrees. I would expect the load temps to be higher, as well (40s-50s).


Well it is Canada. His room temp is probably like -50C.

Haha, it's summer here too... house is usually at around 22C, warmer in the day cooler at night.
Well that was part of the reason I wanted to share, because it sounded too good to be true so I wanted some opinions.
So do you think the software (Speedfan) is off by 10 degrees, which meant I was going over 80C before?
Is a 35-40 degree improvement when replacing the stock cooler normal?
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20297 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-13 10:57:27
July 13 2015 10:56 GMT
#10136
Those temperatures sound inaccurate


~5c delta over room temp for coolest cores at idle is totally doable :D

So do you think the software (Speedfan) is off by 10 degrees, which meant I was going over 80C before?


You can easily check with other software, my favourite is hwinfo (www.hwinfo.com)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 13 2015 17:43 GMT
#10137
Do you guys think I should get extra cooling with my build? Summers here are hot as hell (40 degree celsius is no exception) but obviously I have an air conditioning so room temp shouldnt be over 20 or max 25 degrees. Spoilered my build again for reference. + Show Spoiler +
i5-4690k + Z97X-UD3H
Team Dark DDR3 1600 8G(4Gx2条)
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB
Toshiba 1TB
GIGABYTE GV-n970 4GB
Corsair 500W CX
Corsair Spec 03
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
July 13 2015 18:08 GMT
#10138
I'm always a big proponent of aftermarket coolers if you're spending any sort of money on a build. Not sitting next to a jet turbine probably is the single most important upgrade in my opinion. You have to be a bit careful with large tower coolers in small cases though, sometimes there are compatability issues.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-13 18:15:35
July 13 2015 18:15 GMT
#10139
On July 14 2015 02:43 B.I.G. wrote:
Do you guys think I should get extra cooling with my build? Summers here are hot as hell (40 degree celsius is no exception) but obviously I have an air conditioning so room temp shouldnt be over 20 or max 25 degrees. Spoilered my build again for reference. + Show Spoiler +
i5-4690k + Z97X-UD3H
Team Dark DDR3 1600 8G(4Gx2条)
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB
Toshiba 1TB
GIGABYTE GV-n970 4GB
Corsair 500W CX
Corsair Spec 03


extra cooling is always great. I regret not doing it on my initial build but atleast i don't need to disassemble the system when i install the cpu cooler i am gonna get since my case allows me to do that.

if you need to know what cooler is compatible
You should use pcpartpicker.com, add your case and CPU to the build list and then pick a cpu cooler. It should show which is compatible and which isn't.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-14 04:29:05
July 14 2015 04:28 GMT
#10140
I'm planning to spend $600-$690 on a desktop PC, with the initial cost without a dedicated graphics card and CPU cooler being kept lower than $700(mostly to keep money spare for college books if necessary without having to completely change my build's budget to account for it). I will be working to save up a spare $200-300 to use on upgrading with a dedicated graphics card (probably 960) and CPU cooler(No idea on what's good for under $100) while using a really old monitor from the IGN days.

$600 Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zxr823
$670 Build (OC'ble) : http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HJQJQ7

OLD monitor 1280 x 1024 resolution: http://www.renewcomputer.com/IBM_ThinkVision_T860_9494_HB0_18_LCD_9494_HB0_p/9494-hb0.htm

I would also like to note that I went somewhere else first before I achieved these final builds:
http://forums.elitegamingcomputers.com/index.php?/topic/2151-1st-time-pc-builder-600-700-build-some-broken-website-links/

Any suggestions from you guys? Anything I have here that is completely unnecessary for my needs? I am Computer Science major going to college for freshman year this fall and will be buying this computer during Black Friday sales and building it shortly after. Until then, I have a very entry level laptop I'm using for almost all my computing.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
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