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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 02 2015 15:17 GMT
#9901
@Cyro those benchmarks are actually pretty meaningless IMO what I'm more interested in is the performance of the mobile HQ series for broadwell that can usher in reasonable gaming performance on ultrabooks
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:24:19
June 02 2015 15:19 GMT
#9902
i wouldnt call it underpowered since it looks pretty damn sick
maybe u mean game devs don't utilise the modern hardware
or maybe people are just used to 60fps whereas i'm living in a 30fps world
also i dont think i can consider running at 92 degrees to be properly functional :D but i guess it wouldnt be that bad if i had better cooling
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:27:17
June 02 2015 15:24 GMT
#9903
On June 03 2015 00:17 Kupon3ss wrote:
@Cyro those benchmarks are actually pretty meaningless IMO what I'm more interested in is the performance of the mobile HQ series for broadwell that can usher in reasonable gaming performance on ultrabooks


Well, a lot of the laptop manufacturers are skipping broadwell for skylake.

The laptop silicon is literally just the desktop stuff with a lower power limit slapped on though, Intel only makes one die. You could expect at least 75% of that performance in every way, probably even a bit more.

~~

and you seem to have some pretty big cooling issues with CPU. Maybe you just have terrible case airflow and are cooking it

do you have more than one case fan?

or maybe people are just used to 60fps whereas i'm living in a 30fps world


60fps has an annoying amount of input lag + motion blur and doesn't look particularly smooth

30 is well beyond the point of being no fun to play
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:31:54
June 02 2015 15:28 GMT
#9904
it looks like you have a reasonably solid CPU cooler, have you tried tweaking the cpu fan settings higher.

On the E8400 3.5 should be possible even with stock Intel cooler, perhaps something is misconfigured causing the excess heat

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/intel_core_2_duo_e8400_overclocking_guide,2.html

at the end of the day, you'd expect a 8400 clocked at 4.0 ghz to give the same performance on dual threaded tasks as the modern consoles


@cyro, it depends more on manufacturers being willing to throw the iris pro processors properly in ultrabooks, but I'd love to have something like a surface or zenbook that can also handle low level gaming
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:34:08
June 02 2015 15:31 GMT
#9905
On June 03 2015 00:28 Kupon3ss wrote:
it looks like you have a reasonably solid CPU cooler, have you tried tweaking the cpu fan settings higher.

On the E8400 3.5 should be possible even with stock Intel cooler, perhaps something is misconfigured causing the excess heat

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/intel_core_2_duo_e8400_overclocking_guide,2.html


A 280x will put a fair amount of heat in the case, maybe 200 watts-ish. Enough to be a big influence on CPU temps while running gpu load for an extended period of time

@cyro, it depends more on manufacturers being willing to throw the iris pro processors properly in ultrabooks


They're -always- gone to laptops before desktops. This is the first time Intel actually gave us one on desktop.

ULTRABOOKS, quad core with iris pro, good clock speeds and unrestrictive power limit? Probably not gonna happen - regular laptop, sure. Those CPU's look like they can shine with 45-65w but would be choked to death with 15-25w.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 02 2015 15:32 GMT
#9906
10-20c higher should not result in 90 degrees though unless something is completely wrong or the CPU fan isn't working
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
June 02 2015 15:34 GMT
#9907
i agree temps are pretty crazy but a lot of stuff will contribute to that
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 16:18:15
June 02 2015 16:14 GMT
#9908
idk tbh , my voltage was 1.265 now reduced again to 1.25 ... google says people are comfortable with up to 1.5 (which is massive) and still 20 degree or whatever less than me. i have a good heatsink. i dont like the idea with toying with anything but i could go ahead and unattach the heatsink , dust it off then put it back on. that might fuck up my computer but maybe ill try it after seeing people say that i should be able to hit 1.5 ........ i dont even have a side to my tower case and my room is freezing right now

then again maybe those people at 1.5 have sick cooling
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
June 02 2015 16:32 GMT
#9909
1.265 vs 1.25 will only have extremely minor effect on temperature. A power difference of a few % so probably only like 1c temperature change under the same test and conditions
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 16:56:55
June 02 2015 16:46 GMT
#9910
i reclocked to 3.5 ghz (increase) with 1.20 volt and seen a dramatic drop in temp (max 61 degree so far vs what would be 80) oh fuck the game just quit itself, thats weird. would a game crash/quit due to insufficient voltage? (nothing else broke)

well i redcued to 3.46 ghz and stopped crashing
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
June 02 2015 17:24 GMT
#9911
92c to 61c in the same situation won't happen going from 1.26v to 1.2v. You probably just had vastly different testing conditions with stuff like case temperature

would a game crash/quit due to insufficient voltage?


yes, just run stock for now tbh
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 02 2015 18:06 GMT
#9912
the problem is that because the game is cpu constained, running stock would be a legit 15% reduction in framerates
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 20:55:47
June 02 2015 18:11 GMT
#9913
nah its fine now, i think i'm running 3.33ghz 1.25v and haven't crashed with max temp of 74 which is fine for me (probably) and framerate more than enough (27-33) with everything on ultra (shadows on high and dynamic hair thing disabled)

it is very cold today tho so i'll keep an eye on it

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i just hit a 20 second blind sunstrike in dota so i'm naming my new build the E8400 SUNSTRIKE
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Vacation Time
Profile Joined May 2015
5 Posts
June 02 2015 23:14 GMT
#9914
so one year ago I built the PC I use now. I'm thinking about upgrading bits and pieces of it, but want some feedback.

Specifically I want to get a bigger desk and get two monitors. I could probably continue using my current monitor (Dell S2240M) as a secondary. I would love to get a 4K primary monitor, but not really that picky. If I were to get a 4K monitor I would almost certainly need a graphics card upgrade as well. I may get a secondary storage drive or a larger SSD (currently using 256 GB SSD, around 60% capacity) but I think I will hold out on upgrading the processor and RAM until the next generation of Intel processors....

So here's the stats right now:

CPU: i3-4130T 2.9 GHz
Motherboard: ASRock H81M
Graphics: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
RAM: Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600
SSD: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 256GB 2.5"
Power: EVGA 500W 80+
Monitor: Dell S2240M 60Hz 21.5"
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Keyboard: Das Keyboard (Reds)

looking to upgrade the bolded above-but as I mentioned I would just add a second monitor. Any recommendations? I would say my budget is in the range of $400-$500, although the entire setup when I built it last year was less than 800 (all the parts listed). I do believe the most expensive part was the keyboard at $140. Everything else was cheap or part of a bundle deal averaging around $80 per item.

I specifically want an NVIDIA card, and as for monitors I know very little. I would like to maintain 60 FPS for DotA 2 and some older games (particularly if a newer monitor has a higher resolution), but aside from that I really just watch streams, occasionally program (some Android dev recently) and watch movies/T.V.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-03 00:16:05
June 03 2015 00:15 GMT
#9915
You will need to up your budget if you are looking for a higher res or 4k display because the display itself will cost $500 or more.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 04 2015 06:47 GMT
#9916
Not sure if you guys do laptops here, but right now I'm planning on buying a new Macbook Pro 15 retina with the R9 M370x later this summer. Do you guys think this is a good idea or is it worth waiting for Intel's Skylake to come out? Currently I'm leaning towards not waiting for Skylake because 1) If I buy later this summer, I'll likely be able to take advantage of back to school deals to get a better price, 2) I can't imagine myself needing the extra CPU performance and 3) any improvement in the Intel GPU performance is irrelevant since I'm getting a dedicated GPU anyway. Would love to hear your thoughts though.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
June 04 2015 07:57 GMT
#9917
any improvement in the Intel GPU performance is irrelevant since I'm getting a dedicated GPU anyway


You're missing the bigger picture there if the iGPU is now faster than an M370x.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 04 2015 08:36 GMT
#9918
On June 03 2015 00:24 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 00:17 Kupon3ss wrote:
@Cyro those benchmarks are actually pretty meaningless IMO what I'm more interested in is the performance of the mobile HQ series for broadwell that can usher in reasonable gaming performance on ultrabooks


Well, a lot of the laptop manufacturers are skipping broadwell for skylake.

The laptop silicon is literally just the desktop stuff with a lower power limit slapped on though, Intel only makes one die. You could expect at least 75% of that performance in every way, probably even a bit more.

~~

and you seem to have some pretty big cooling issues with CPU. Maybe you just have terrible case airflow and are cooking it

do you have more than one case fan?

Show nested quote +
or maybe people are just used to 60fps whereas i'm living in a 30fps world


30 is well beyond the point of being no fun to play


goddamn elitists
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20325 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 09:06:35
June 04 2015 08:45 GMT
#9919
On June 04 2015 17:36 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 00:24 Cyro wrote:
On June 03 2015 00:17 Kupon3ss wrote:
@Cyro those benchmarks are actually pretty meaningless IMO what I'm more interested in is the performance of the mobile HQ series for broadwell that can usher in reasonable gaming performance on ultrabooks


Well, a lot of the laptop manufacturers are skipping broadwell for skylake.

The laptop silicon is literally just the desktop stuff with a lower power limit slapped on though, Intel only makes one die. You could expect at least 75% of that performance in every way, probably even a bit more.

~~

and you seem to have some pretty big cooling issues with CPU. Maybe you just have terrible case airflow and are cooking it

do you have more than one case fan?

or maybe people are just used to 60fps whereas i'm living in a 30fps world


30 is well beyond the point of being no fun to play


goddamn elitists


You don't even know what you're missing out on. Smoothness aside, lower input lag and motion blur is a whole new world
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 10:38:09
June 04 2015 10:23 GMT
#9920
i turned motion blur off coz it looks way too blurry but maybe ill try it again, i wasnt sure if it was supposed to be just a preference option. maybe theres a way to reduce it even more in twitcher
oh twitcher has motion blur (environment blurs when you move camera) + blur (i probably have this on)
yeah im guessing "motion blur" in twitcher is just to make peoples eyes water
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