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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On March 20 2015 20:30 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: It looks like there's a $10 shipping for newegg though... but yeah will keep what you said in mind for the PSU... I'll get the 500w one if its $10 cheaper... if not, I guess the 600w won't hurt and I've read that as PSUs gets older, they lose some efficiency?? at least I have a lot of extra room for that -- which I'll take if I don't have to pay extra for it :D I think I'll go for the i5, which was my original preference anyway... a little overkill for now but I would really rather not have to upgrade and end up spending more money in the long run... Plus I just saw that NVidia is now bundling Witcher 3 with the GTX 960! I'll actually have a game (and a free one too) that can make use of the i5. I also found that my original mobo (MSI H81M P32) only had PCIe2.0... will go with the ASRock H97 Anniversary mobo instead You can pricematch at NCIX. PCIe 3.0 doesn't do anything for you unless you are running multiple cards. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On March 21 2015 02:32 skyR wrote: You can pricematch at NCIX. PCIe 3.0 doesn't do anything for you unless you are running multiple cards. Due to a broken pci-e lane, i've benched 770 in a system with pci-e 1.1 and framerate hit is still minor. pcie 2.0 x8 vs 3.0 x16 shows no benchmarkable difference though, with typical GPU or game benchmarks | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
![[image loading]](http://images.ncix.com/forumimages/5377E2AD-DCDF-4F83-A1B4743B545F9DC5.jpg) http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=showthread&forum=116&threadid=2702972&pagenumber=0&msgcount=0&subpage=1 | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On March 20 2015 21:10 Cyro wrote: The GPU is so bad that there's no reason to buy it over integrated graphics, pretty much. I don't remember particular benchmarks, but it's well beyond the point where it makes sense to buy a discrete GPU. For CPU, it's not good. Starcraft 2 and heroes of the storm use the same engine, and it doesn't run great. It doesn't scale past 2 CPU cores, and it demands for them to be fast for you to have a good and somewhat consistent experience. The cheapest CPU that you should buy is a g3220. It's of a much, much faster architecture, clocked 1.5x higher and overall would run those games at like 3x as high FPS (i'm not even exaggerating) - but it costs ~$59. The graphical settings that you use in these 2 games do not impact performance when you're CPU bound, and turning them down doesn't help any system to avoid FPS getting lower later in the game or when there are many units or when action happens etc. You should never buy a Kabini CPU for anything where performance is a factor on desktop. It's AMD's mobile CPU line, used for tablets and laptops that are low end and seeking battery life over performance Thanks for your reply but it's interesting that this build can run games like crysis 3 and other modern games with max settings. PS: i think i messed up with the link , that build is quite different from one on the video this is the correct one i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard 4GB DDR3 memory GTX 760 320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD Cooler Master Wavemaster Case Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On March 21 2015 14:59 ImFromPortugal wrote: Thanks for your reply but it's interesting that this build can run games like crysis 3 and other modern games with max settings. PS: i think i messed up with the link , that build is quite different from one on the video this is the correct one i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard 4GB DDR3 memory GTX 760 320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD Cooler Master Wavemaster Case Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard I doubt that will run crysis 3 @ 1080p 60fps with AA and max settings | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On March 21 2015 16:27 DarthPunk wrote: I doubt that will run crysis 3 @ 1080p 60fps with AA and max settings Given that my R9 280X can't run crysis 3 @ 1080p 60fps with AA and max settings, I'd be absolutely floored if a GTX 760 could. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On March 21 2015 14:59 ImFromPortugal wrote: Thanks for your reply but it's interesting that this build can run games like crysis 3 and other modern games with max settings. PS: i think i messed up with the link , that build is quite different from one on the video this is the correct one i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard 4GB DDR3 memory GTX 760 320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD Cooler Master Wavemaster Case Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard what is your budget, what retailers do you have access to? and we can make you something better than that, i think | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [list of coolers] + Xigmatek Dark Knight NH ($59) CM Hyper 212X ($59-$69) CM Hyper D92 ($69) Deep Cool Lucifer ($69) CM Hyper 612v2 ($79) Thermaltake Frio (not sure what version) ($85) Noctua NH-D14 ($128) Silverstone HE01 Heligon ($129) Noctua NH-D15 ($139) While it's probably easy to just buy the Noctua D15, it is also double the price of the intended purchase Hyper 212X. I dont really know anymore T__T Also, some older cooler only listed LGA1155 as compatible socket, I assume the LGA1150 should fit as well? (like how all LGA115x should be similar right?). And I actually havent check the space clearance of those cooler, in case the RipjawsX RAM heat spreader cant fit in | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
RipjawsX is 40mm, Noctua NH-D15 has clearance for it if you use only use a single fan or mount the second fan as an exhaust on the rear. For traditional fan mounting (fan as intake hanging over DIMM slots), the heatsink only has clearance for 32mm - 37mm. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i62.tinypic.com/1zp7dzr.jpg) Happy birthday~! I don't think it's worth buying, tbh | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On March 22 2015 01:18 skyR wrote: Yes, heatsinks that work on LGA1155 will work on LGA1150 without any additional parts or tools. RipjawsX is 40mm, Noctua NH-D15 has clearance for it if you use only use a single fan or mount the second fan as an exhaust on the rear. For traditional fan mounting (fan as intake hanging over DIMM slots), the heatsink only has clearance for 32mm - 37mm. Thanks and Happy birthday :D On March 22 2015 01:27 Cyro wrote: You can also maybe just lift the second fan up if you use the standard config. That works even with ridiculously tall RAM AFAIK (though might be very tight on the height being too tall to fit in case) + Show Spoiler + Happy birthday~! I don't think it's worth buying, tbh Thanks. Yeah I read some review about lifting the 2nd fan up, but it will be ~180+ mm tall, which may not fit into R5 case (180mm CPU cooler clearance). Also while many reviews agree that this is among the best air cooler, the price is really high and may be it's better to get some liquid cooler for a little more. Also considering going back to Hyper 212X and add a CM JetFlo 120 fan to make a push/pull setup. JetFlo 120 seems to have quite good review for radiator fan Any opinions regarding other cooler on the list? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Even if the d15 is overpriced, the clc's are generally more overpriced. You can get better performance with some - particularly the good 2x140mm ones (a 140mm fan has about 1.38x greater area than a 120mm fan) - but CLC's use very very loud fans. I have ty-147's in my case (used for thermalright silver arrow) and an sp120 (a revision of which is used for corsair's clc's) and i can verify that the noise levels are actually there, those ~2000-2500rpm+ static pressure fans for rads are like 4-6x louder than the fans used for coolers like the d15 or silver arrow out of the box. If you replace the fans on those high end air coolers with fans that can ramp up to similar noise levels - like the ty-143 - and then supply the cooler with cool air from proper case airflow, you can actually make air coolers match or even outperform pretty much any CLC on the market. The only real solid upgrade from air cooling is a proper custom loop, unless you're buying for aesthetics or the way that clc fits in a case etc. From a viewpoint of nothing but performance, noise and price, a CLC rarely if ever has an actual advantage, though you can go either way if budget isn't of particular concern to you | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On March 22 2015 03:52 Cyro wrote: My air cooler knowledge is quite limited and mostly common stuff like some of the best ones + a few midrange from thermalright etc for europe. I just don't know most of the list so can't say much. Even if the d15 is overpriced, the clc's are generally more overpriced. You can get better performance with some - particularly the good 2x140mm ones (a 140mm fan has about 1.38x greater area than a 120mm fan) - but CLC's use very very loud fans. I have ty-147's in my case (used for thermalright silver arrow) and an sp120 (a revision of which is used for corsair's clc's) and i can verify that the noise levels are actually there, those ~2000-2500rpm+ static pressure fans for rads are like 4-6x louder than the fans used for coolers like the d15 or silver arrow out of the box. If you replace the fans on those high end air coolers with fans that can ramp up to similar noise levels - like the ty-143 - and then supply the cooler with cool air from proper case airflow, you can actually make air coolers match or even outperform pretty much any CLC on the market. The only real solid upgrade from air cooling is a proper custom loop, unless you're buying for aesthetics or the way that clc fits in a case etc. From a viewpoint of nothing but performance, noise and price, a CLC rarely if ever has an actual advantage, though you can go either way if budget isn't of particular concern to you Now that you mentioned it, I went to check some of those cooler manufacturer's distributor list, Thermalright does have some in Singapore, but those shop's price lists dont have it. I guess I have to call them up to check. Got some cooler model to recommend please? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On March 21 2015 16:27 DarthPunk wrote: I doubt that will run crysis 3 @ 1080p 60fps with AA and max settings it seems it does if you guys could check that video its just 3 minutes he is able to max the game settings and play at 60 fps with that build, not that i would play any demanding games, i just want to play SC 2 \ BW \ Heroes of the Storm \ Age of Empires 2. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On March 22 2015 06:28 Cyro wrote: And again, 760 is like >5x more powerful than an r7 240, and still 30fps there So whats your advice? My goals are to have a better machine to work and play some old games, the only recent ones are Heroes of the Storm and hopefully Legacy of the Void. Currently i'm playing on a i3 laptop with onboard intel graphics and 4 GB RAM , i'm able to play heroes of the storm with minor lag if i close the majority of the programs. | ||
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