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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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CCow
Germany335 Posts
Thanks for those replies. I tried cross-checking the build you recommended on mindfactory and it seems to be a bit cheaper over there: + Show Spoiler + Core i5-4570 - 162€: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4570T-2x-2-90GHz-So-1150-TRAY_856455.html Gigabyte H81M-DS2V - 39€: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Gigabyte-GA-H81M-DS2V-Intel-H81-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail_936259.html Gigabyte HD 7770 - 80€: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1024MB-Gigabyte-Radeon-HD-7770-GHz-Edition-OC-Rev2-0-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--_812074.html Crucial 2 x 4GB 1600MHz DDR3 - 61€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Crucial-Ballistix-Sport-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_794504.html WD 1TB HDD - 51€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-WD-AV-GP-Serie-WD10EURX-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_785281.html Crucial M500 120GB SSD - 58€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/120GB-Crucial-M500-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC-asynchron--CT120M500SSD_844175.html Lite-On DVD burner - 13€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/LiteOn-IHAS124-04-DVD-RW-SATA-1-5Gb-s-intern-schwarz-Bulk_821094.html SATA cable - 4€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/0-30m-SATA-6Gb-s-Anschlusskabel-SATA-Stecker-auf-SATA-Stecker-Gelb-mit-Ar_687516.html Cooler Master G450M - 45€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/450-Watt-CoolerMaster-G450M-Modular_937511.html Cooler Master N200 - 37€ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-N200-NSE-200-KKN1-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_856696.html I hope the HDD is okay as well, they do not seem to have Toshiba HDDs at mindfactory.de Overall it's 20€ difference, ~555€ at mindfactory and ~575 at hardwareversand. At mindfactory they do not seem to offer an "assemble only"-service, but only some more premium thing for ~100€ while it's 30€ at hardwareversand for assembling it. I guess we could do that part on our own, though I would have paid those 30€ if the hardware was not 20€ cheaper already. This is icky. :D We might be able to get a Windows 7 licence from our university, so I probably don't need that one after all. : ) The build just seems way superior to the premade one... thanks a lot for this! ^_^ On a sidenote... has anybody here any preference between MF and hardwareversand for some reason? I haven't bought anything from either of them so for me it's pretty much the same, I guess. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
I had used a motherboard for about a month and asked them if I could still exchange it against something more expensive. I had no good reason really and the first board was working just like it should, so they did not need to take that used board back. There was no fee or anything, they gave me credit for the full price of that first board. | ||
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Sophus
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http://www.mindfactory.de/info_center.php/icID/16 | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
I advised him against doing this but he seems set on buying it. how much is this worth? HDD WD 1TB blue MoBo MSI H81M-P33 PSU Rosewill Capstone 550w-m CPU i5 4670 RAM 8g ram Case Corsair Carbide 200R Opt Drive Samsung DVD burner GPU MSI GTX 760 Hawk new and unused at all, no OS, (he can put in an OS for free through our school) | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Going with these prices (in order) $ 60 $ 50 $ 70 $220 $ 70 $ 50 $ 20 $250 I wouldn't pay more than ~$750 though. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On March 06 2014 09:53 iTzSnypah wrote: $800 or so. Going with these prices (in order) $ 60 $ 50 $ 70 $220 $ 70 $ 50 $ 20 $250 I wouldn't pay more than ~$750 though. does that price include the "labor" cost? i think the guy thats selling it is charging i think it was 5% of total cost as labor cost. EDIT: his orginal customer backed down after the guy already built it. (but he still got $100 from the guy as a "safety" payment incase the other guy backs down) | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Edit: It's a stout combination of components; If your friend really needs that instant gratification then go ahead and shoot, as long as he's not paying much over $800 for it. Also make him drop the labor charges as he's already up $100 on it. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On March 06 2014 09:59 iTzSnypah wrote: No. It's what you could buy the parts new off the internet. Edit: It's a stout combination of components; If your friend really needs that instant gratification then go ahead and shoot, as long as he's not paying much over $800 for it. Also make him drop the labor charges as he's already up $100 on it. what do you mean by this? like badly optimized / bad parts? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On March 06 2014 11:31 IMKR wrote: what do you mean by this? like badly optimized / bad parts? Guessing he means good/solid. Main thing in question is the price. Only other thing that really sticks out is "8gb RAM" as that's not actually a specification and could mean pretty much anything  1600c9 rated kit at ~1.5-1.65v would be typical | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stout 1stout adjective \ˈstau̇t\ : thick and strong : having a large body that is wide with fat or muscles : brave and strong Full Definition of STOUT 1 : strong of character: as a : brave, bold b : firm, determined; also : obstinate, uncompromising 2 : physically or materially strong: a : sturdy, vigorous b : staunch, enduring c : sturdily constructed : substantial 3 : forceful <a stout attack>; also : violent <a stout wind> 4 : bulky in body : fat — stout·ish adjective — stout·ly adverb — stout·ness noun | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I can't guess what prices those components were bought at, but it's probably nothing too much out of what was optimal at the time. At worst, the power supply, case, and graphics card are all each say $10-15 over ideal given day-to-day fluctuations. And then add the 5% on top of that. I guess the cost wouldn't be more than say 10% over components picked carefully. Somebody who wants it all done for them isn't going to complain about that kind of markup. | ||
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zerK
Canada176 Posts
$500-900$ - I would like multiple offer depending on prize i put on. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1680x1050 16:10 (i would love a 16  tho but thats not in the current budget)What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft2, and maybe brand new games for fun. My goal is to stream at high setting stream (i have a great internet). And to keep Full FPS (Rly high fps) In sc2 while having low-medium graphics. ! I really never want to go down 60-80 fps while streaming preferable allways 100 + for super good performance. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? streaming, playing tournaments. Do you intend to overclock? no but maybe who knows ! if i can get help to do that and have a better computer to stream sc2 that would be awesome. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? idk Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals, if so what? Maybe a monitor but i would like to see what i can get without a monitor. other part im fine! If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. intel/nvidia NOT MAC I'm wondering if I should get i5 or i7? I really have a preference over an i7 but new i5 looks great for sc2, again remember, i want to have a good stream while playing sc2 at FULL fps without any lag. Its my main goal! So, to help the prize go, if it can help me get something better. I do have a graphic card 460 GTX that i think will do fine if i have a good processor and RAM. Ill buy a new graphic card this summer. I have my pc Case that i could use if needed. and a poor PowerSupply idk what i would acutally need. So if i can get something better and awesome good deal with only mobo,ram,cpu, powersupply ill go for that! Thanks to help me fast, i cant wait!!! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
My goal is to stream at high setting stream (i have a great internet). And to keep Full FPS (Rly high fps) In sc2 while having low-medium graphics. ! I really never want to go down 60-80 fps while streaming preferable allways 100 + for super good performance. i7 won't help you over i5 here (at all..), and looks like you will both be overclocking, and being dissapointed with lategame fights | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
what stood out to me is that i built a very very similar build (only difference is ram, case and HDD) and i dont remember my price of the build being ~$800-900 lol. (which is why i also got scared when i heard "stout combination of components" lol) (very similar build to mine because the original customer that backed out is another friend of mine that wanted to build a pc after seeing mine, which i built after the help of all you guys lol) he also decided to jump the gun then, even after i offered to build him a rig, he just wants one ASAP. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On March 06 2014 11:57 Cyro wrote: i7 won't help you over i5 here (at all..), and looks like you will both be overclocking, and being dissapointed with lategame fights hmm im curious about this part. (can never learn enough right? :D) how did u get to that conclusion? also, since he has a 1680x1050 monitor, high end gpu isnt needed right? at that resolution, which gpu is good enough to play on high - max settings? (assuming no bottle necking by cpu) | ||
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zerK
Canada176 Posts
On March 06 2014 11:57 Cyro wrote: i7 won't help you over i5 here (at all..), and looks like you will both be overclocking, and being dissapointed with lategame fights What you mean by being dissapointed ? i dont put enough money for what i want?? i really want late game fights at high fps when i stream. please help me. Thanks | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On March 06 2014 12:07 zerK wrote: What you mean by being dissapointed ? i dont put enough money for what i want?? i really want late game fights at high fps when i stream. please help me. Thanks The best performing CPU for starcraft 2 is essentially the i5-4670k with an overclock. i7 adds hyperthreading and a little extra cache, but HT is useless here and the extra cache does not really help. LGA2011 has more cores, but they're weaker and a bit harder to clock up, because there's more of them. It performs worse sc2 does not perform great. It's not the best coded game and it's using a decade old API that was not built for anything like i5 4670k's. Even with physics/reflections off, effects turned down, maintaining 100fps or even 60fps in some situations, or having a smooth experience at all even with those framerates can be impossible, with one core at 95% load and the other three averaging ~5%. If you add those CPU settings or performance losses from a streaming program to the mix, performance gets worse. You can't really throw money at the problem because there's nowhere to throw it as long as you have OC'd haswell and a low-mid tier GPU. Regardless of setup, stuff gets kinda slow with lots of units. You can improve it a >lot< compared to some weaker CPU's, especially stock, but it's not really possible to achieve perfection also, since he has a 1680x1050 monitor, high end gpu isnt needed right? On low-med graphics i don't see any reason to have higher than a 460 right now | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On March 06 2014 12:12 Cyro wrote: The best performing CPU for starcraft 2 is essentially the i5-4670k with an overclock. i7 adds hyperthreading and a little extra cache, but HT is useless here and the extra cache does not really help. LGA2011 has more cores, but they're weaker and a bit harder to clock up, because there's more of them. It performs worse sc2 does not perform great. It's not the best coded game and it's using a decade old API that was not built for anything like i5 4670k's. Even with physics/reflections off, effects turned down, maintaining 100fps or even 60fps in some situations, or having a smooth experience at all even with those framerates can be impossible, with one core at 95% load and the other three averaging ~5%. If you add those CPU settings or performance losses from a streaming program to the mix, performance gets worse. You can't really throw money at the problem because there's nowhere to throw it as long as you have OC'd haswell and a low-mid tier GPU how come he will have a hard time maintaining ~60fps with low graphics? my laptop has a i5 3317U and with using hd 4000 integrated gpu, and low graphics i maintain constant 60fps even at late game. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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