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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
NujabesRIP
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1 Post
January 18 2014 23:58 GMT
#3781
Looking to upgrade from a laptop to a PC, been doing some browsing on newegg, not necessarily looking for a top of the line, best PC in the world or anything, just something that is mid-high performance level and this is what I came up with. Also, I play LoL SC2, AND MMO's. Just looking to see if I should switch anything up or make sure everything is compatible.

P.S. I'm not too experienced with building computers, but I know the essential basics. Thank you for your time!

1. Western Digital WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5 (64.99)
2.MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card (249.99)
3.Rosewill CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous @ 50°C, Intel Haswell Ready, 80 PLUS GOLD, ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92, SLI/CrossFire (59.99)
4.G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (84.99)
5.ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 (129.99)
6. Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor (239.99)
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
January 19 2014 00:01 GMT
#3782
On January 19 2014 05:26 Mensol wrote:
Well 740m is the best amongs them. Other graphics cards are 720m, Intel HD Graphics 4400 and 710m.

What do you think about HP laptops? or can you suggest me a laptop brand?


Sorry I'm not sure what your budget is but give these models a look:

Lenovo Y510p
MSi GE60
Asus N550JV

These all have i7 4700HQ/MQ and a decent GPU like GT 750M or GTX 765M.

All around $1000 USD.

Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 19 2014 00:14 GMT
#3783
On January 19 2014 09:01 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 05:26 Mensol wrote:
Well 740m is the best amongs them. Other graphics cards are 720m, Intel HD Graphics 4400 and 710m.

What do you think about HP laptops? or can you suggest me a laptop brand?


Sorry I'm not sure what your budget is but give these models a look:

Lenovo Y510p
MSi GE60
Asus N550JV

These all have i7 4700HQ/MQ and a decent GPU like GT 750M or GTX 765M.

All around $1000 USD.


Way too expensive for me

Dollar is too expensive in Turkey :< i think my budget is around 700$

On January 19 2014 05:34 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Well 740m is the best amongs them.


Then they're not made for gaming. 720m and 710m are hilariously bad, integrated graphics is extremely extremely suboptimal on a tdp limited laptop CPU (even one that's not low power) and the 740m.. is a mess

There's two different chips that are called 740m, there's also ddr3 and gddr5 versions - it's a big mess and i don't even have any idea how to reccomend anything with it or for performance specifics etc; so for a gaming system i'd definately say hit two goals: Non low power CPU (no U in the name) and a 750m, if you're buying a 700-series GPU. That would probably make the system more bulky though, at least maybe a basic 15" shell - not really sure there. If somebody told me to pick between a 740m (without very very detailed specs) and integrated graphics on an i5-3xxxU cpu though, i would laugh

i3/i5/i7 4xxx instead of 3xxx has significantly improved idle power; if you want to do stuff on desktop, word documents, play videos, skype, whatever, it'll help battery life a lot. On my desktop i find something ridiculous like 80% of the time is spent at very low idle power states for Haswell cpu, but it's much more important on laptop where battery life is limited

HP or brands etc; i don't know so much about them. Most of my focus is on the higher end half of desktop systems, as well as random picked up info along the way

I see thanks.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 00:27:54
January 19 2014 00:15 GMT
#3784
On January 19 2014 08:58 NujabesRIP wrote:
Looking to upgrade from a laptop to a PC, been doing some browsing on newegg, not necessarily looking for a top of the line, best PC in the world or anything, just something that is mid-high performance level and this is what I came up with. Also, I play LoL SC2, AND MMO's. Just looking to see if I should switch anything up or make sure everything is compatible.

P.S. I'm not too experienced with building computers, but I know the essential basics. Thank you for your time!

1. Western Digital WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5 (64.99)
2.MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card (249.99)
3.Rosewill CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous @ 50°C, Intel Haswell Ready, 80 PLUS GOLD, ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92, SLI/CrossFire (59.99)
4.G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (84.99)
5.ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 (129.99)
6. Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor (239.99)


Look at the builds in OP if you didn't already

z87 and CPU with "k" on the end are for overclocking CPU, is that what you want? If so, you need an aftermarket cpu cooler. For OC, my go-to z87 board is the z87x-d3h; aside from that, you'd probably want an SSD in there too as boot drive and for games etc*, and to shave a bit of money from the RAM (8gb of 1600c9 shouldn't cost $85)

* http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3W15P0/?tag=pcpapi-20 / http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 - (both $89 now)

Newegg pricing puts high end RAM at basically identical price to cheapest stuff.. ~ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 (if you're getting z87 board, as only z87 can run >1600mhz RAM and cpu oc)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 19 2014 00:30 GMT
#3785
On January 19 2014 08:58 NujabesRIP wrote:
Looking to upgrade from a laptop to a PC, been doing some browsing on newegg, not necessarily looking for a top of the line, best PC in the world or anything, just something that is mid-high performance level and this is what I came up with. Also, I play LoL SC2, AND MMO's. Just looking to see if I should switch anything up or make sure everything is compatible.

P.S. I'm not too experienced with building computers, but I know the essential basics. Thank you for your time!

1. Western Digital WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5 (64.99)
2.MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card (249.99)
3.Rosewill CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous @ 50°C, Intel Haswell Ready, 80 PLUS GOLD, ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92, SLI/CrossFire (59.99)
4.G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (84.99)
5.ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 (129.99)
6. Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor (239.99)


Careful, you want Z87 not Z77 if you're getting a Haswell processor. The socket is LGA 1150, make sure they're compatible. If you're going to overclock, see Cyro's post, if not, you can get decent motherboards in B85 or H81 chipsets.
maru lover forever
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
January 19 2014 00:36 GMT
#3786
On January 18 2014 18:57 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 18:23 EMIYA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
((my bad for not posting in the proper area))

Building a new computer after deciding to upgrade from the torture that is my low end laptop. I've helped a friend build one before, but I'm not up to date on the go to hardware for my price range (600-800) as I want to finally taste 60 frames on my favorite games (New generation MMOs, FPS/Sc2 naturally).

Any advice would be appreciated, and I referred to the guide for compatability, and managed to find a HD that wasn't as over priced as the damn WD black. I'm also interested in overclocking in the future, hence the 3570k. Thank you for your time.

Newegg shopping card:--v

--------------------------------------------------
CASE: Antec Three Hundred Black Mid $69
HD: Western Digital 1TB blue sata6.0gbs $64.99
GPU: EVGA Superclocked GTX 760 2gb $259.99
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ gold $89
MEMORY: G.Skil Ripjaw 8gb ddr3 $84.99
MOBO: MSI Z77A-G41 LGA 1155 intel Z77 $79.99
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4ghz quad $229.99


You have no aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. I guess you can add this later if you're super strapped for cash. But don't expect much from a G41 since it's a low end board with a weak VRM and very limited BIOS.

Antec Three Hundred isn't that good at $70. I'd get a Fractal Design Define R4, Antec P280, Antec P100, Corsair Carbide 330R, Corsair Graphite 230T, etc for not much more / same price. All much better cases.

Z77 G41 does not support SLI if that's what you plan on doing with the 650w power supply. If you're not doing SLI then get the Capstone 450w.


I see the logic in the power supply, so I'll go down to 450w since I'm only going to be using a single GPU setup. And I'll take a look at the other cases for sure. The thing about the mobo is, aside from overclocking I have no idea how to use half the features, but if there is a quality issue with the Z77 then I definitely want to upgrade from there. Any suggestions?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 00:43:14
January 19 2014 00:39 GMT
#3787
On January 19 2014 09:36 EMIYA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 18:57 skyR wrote:
On January 18 2014 18:23 EMIYA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
((my bad for not posting in the proper area))

Building a new computer after deciding to upgrade from the torture that is my low end laptop. I've helped a friend build one before, but I'm not up to date on the go to hardware for my price range (600-800) as I want to finally taste 60 frames on my favorite games (New generation MMOs, FPS/Sc2 naturally).

Any advice would be appreciated, and I referred to the guide for compatability, and managed to find a HD that wasn't as over priced as the damn WD black. I'm also interested in overclocking in the future, hence the 3570k. Thank you for your time.

Newegg shopping card:--v

--------------------------------------------------
CASE: Antec Three Hundred Black Mid $69
HD: Western Digital 1TB blue sata6.0gbs $64.99
GPU: EVGA Superclocked GTX 760 2gb $259.99
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ gold $89
MEMORY: G.Skil Ripjaw 8gb ddr3 $84.99
MOBO: MSI Z77A-G41 LGA 1155 intel Z77 $79.99
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4ghz quad $229.99


You have no aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. I guess you can add this later if you're super strapped for cash. But don't expect much from a G41 since it's a low end board with a weak VRM and very limited BIOS.

Antec Three Hundred isn't that good at $70. I'd get a Fractal Design Define R4, Antec P280, Antec P100, Corsair Carbide 330R, Corsair Graphite 230T, etc for not much more / same price. All much better cases.

Z77 G41 does not support SLI if that's what you plan on doing with the 650w power supply. If you're not doing SLI then get the Capstone 450w.


I see the logic in the power supply, so I'll go down to 450w since I'm only going to be using a single GPU setup. And I'll take a look at the other cases for sure. The thing about the mobo is, aside from overclocking I have no idea how to use half the features, but if there is a quality issue with the Z77 then I definitely want to upgrade from there. Any suggestions?

It's a different CPU socket "LGA1155" on a Z77 board. The CPU you are looking at is for "LGA1150" socket. That socket is on a Z87 board, or if you don't want to touch overclocking then the H87/H81/B85 boards.

EDIT: I misread and did not see you looking at the 3570k CPU. That's Z77, so that's correct, but you might want to look at the pricing for i5-4670k and Z87, or i5-4670 and a B85 board or something.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 19 2014 00:56 GMT
#3788
On January 19 2014 09:36 EMIYA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 18 2014 18:57 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 18:23 EMIYA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
((my bad for not posting in the proper area))

Building a new computer after deciding to upgrade from the torture that is my low end laptop. I've helped a friend build one before, but I'm not up to date on the go to hardware for my price range (600-800) as I want to finally taste 60 frames on my favorite games (New generation MMOs, FPS/Sc2 naturally).

Any advice would be appreciated, and I referred to the guide for compatability, and managed to find a HD that wasn't as over priced as the damn WD black. I'm also interested in overclocking in the future, hence the 3570k. Thank you for your time.

Newegg shopping card:--v

--------------------------------------------------
CASE: Antec Three Hundred Black Mid $69
HD: Western Digital 1TB blue sata6.0gbs $64.99
GPU: EVGA Superclocked GTX 760 2gb $259.99
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ gold $89
MEMORY: G.Skil Ripjaw 8gb ddr3 $84.99
MOBO: MSI Z77A-G41 LGA 1155 intel Z77 $79.99
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4ghz quad $229.99


You have no aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. I guess you can add this later if you're super strapped for cash. But don't expect much from a G41 since it's a low end board with a weak VRM and very limited BIOS.

Antec Three Hundred isn't that good at $70. I'd get a Fractal Design Define R4, Antec P280, Antec P100, Corsair Carbide 330R, Corsair Graphite 230T, etc for not much more / same price. All much better cases.

Z77 G41 does not support SLI if that's what you plan on doing with the 650w power supply. If you're not doing SLI then get the Capstone 450w.


I see the logic in the power supply, so I'll go down to 450w since I'm only going to be using a single GPU setup. And I'll take a look at the other cases for sure. The thing about the mobo is, aside from overclocking I have no idea how to use half the features, but if there is a quality issue with the Z77 then I definitely want to upgrade from there. Any suggestions?


Not sure if you want to stick to Newegg or open to purchasing from other retailers. NCIX has the 4670k for $226: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1217 and the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H for $135: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&promoid=1217 . Free shipping and $10 off for new customers.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 01:22:46
January 19 2014 01:08 GMT
#3789
On January 16 2014 00:30 Flaiker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 06:16 Flaiker wrote:
Hello, a friend of mine asked me to build a pc for him, so I come here for some suggestions

What is your budget?
800€ (~1092USD)

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Media, webbrowsing, msoffice

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
Yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Generally Intel prefered over AMD in CPU, but not by much
GPU AMD and Nvidia are equally prefered

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Some German retailers I can suggest: www.hardwareversand.de , www.mindfactory.de ; www.geizhals.at/de is a good search engine for german retailers
If you need more infos or I did sth wrong please dont hesitate to tell me.


Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 06:33 Incognoto wrote:
What games you going to play? That budget got me an i5 4670 on a B85 board hooked up to a 7970. Though I didn't need the OS.

Most modern games I guess. He couldn't really give me an answer to that when I asked, because he did not have a pc for gaming before.


This was a few days old, but perhaps it'll still be relevant. I only looked at hardwareversand.de, because I didn't want to go elsewhere. Feel free to shop around other German retailers for a better price.

build:
+ Show Spoiler +

CPU: i5-4570 (170 Euros)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/Socket 1150/78028/Intel Core i5-4570 Box, LGA1150.article
(You could spend 20 euro more for the 3.4ghz i5-4670 if you wanted. This one is 3.2 ghz.)

Mobo: MSI H81 mATX (40 euros)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/DDR3/102104/MSI H81M-P33, mATX, Sockel 1150.article
(because it's usually just fine to get a dirt-cheap mobo. Though I will note this comes equipped with USB 2.0 headers for the case. If you want USB 3.0 headers on the top of the case, get a more expensive mobo with USB 3.0 headers & the USB 3.0 version of the case below)

GPU: Sapphire R9 270x (190 euros)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/2048 MB/110767/Sapphire Vapor-X R9 270X OC Lite Retail, AMD Radeon R9 270X, 2GB DDR5.article
(It's as much GPU you can afford - fairly high end as they go. Though I suppose you could cut the SSD or something.)

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz (66 euros)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/1600 Low Voltage/121296/8GB-Kit Team Group Elite Series, DDR3-1600, CL11.article

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 (USB 2.0 version - 30 euro)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/Mini/49193/FRACTAL DESIGN Gehäuse Core 1000 black.article

SSD: Crucial M500 240GB (125)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/Solid-State-Disk/101091/Crucial M500 240GB SATA 6GB s 6,4CM (2,5) 7mm.article

HDD: Seagate 1TB (52)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/7200 RPM/53882/Seagate Barracuda 7200 1000GB, SATA 6Gb s.article

DVD-burner (13 euros)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/S-ATA/62887/Samsung SH-118AB schwarz.article

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (84 euro)
I didn't link it, because I wasn't sure what language you wanted - or if you wanted windows 8. I'm sure you can find the right version on your own.

OOPS-Forgot-The-PSU: XFX 450w (44 euro)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/400 - 500 Watts/141515/XFX PRO450W Core Edition Full Wired Power Supply.article

Total: 814 Euros including VAT, not including shipping. Sorry I went over the total suggested. I forgot the PSU... You can halve the size of the SSD, don't get the HDD or SSD, downgrade the GPU, or something like that.

"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Br33zyy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States296 Posts
January 19 2014 01:28 GMT
#3790
Helping a friend in guiding him to a new computer.



What is your budget?
$1,500
But he says cheaper if possible. And for what he wants he will get is easily.

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920X1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Any and everything. He'd like to play on full spec essentially

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
General use as well as using photoshop lightly and cs5. (But nothing too crazy i don't think)

Do you intend to overclock?
Yes

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Eventually but not right out of the gate.

Do you need an operating system?
yes
He says he wants windows 8

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel for the most part

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Not really no.
Ohhh lawd..
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 19 2014 01:37 GMT
#3791
im still looking for a laptop suggestion.

my budget is around 700-750$, im hoping for a good graphic card and i5!
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 19 2014 01:41 GMT
#3792
Mensol, what's even available? Prices? Link?
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 19 2014 02:11 GMT
#3793
Toshiba Satellite C55-A-1PU
Toshiba Satellite C55-A-1Q2
SONY SVF1521JSTB
HP PAVILION 15-N004ST
HP PAVILION 15-E057ST E1T97EA
HP PAVILION G6-2302ST D4M76EA
ASUS X550VC-XO022H
Asus X550CC-XO140D
MSI CX61 2OC-408XTR
MSI CX61 2OC-408XTR
Dell Inspiron 3537 B20F61C
Dell Inspiron 3521 B3245FC

Those are the laptops i've looked. Unfortunately all of them have terrible graphic card
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 02:23:48
January 19 2014 02:20 GMT
#3794
On January 19 2014 09:56 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 09:36 EMIYA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 18 2014 18:57 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 18:23 EMIYA wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
((my bad for not posting in the proper area))

Building a new computer after deciding to upgrade from the torture that is my low end laptop. I've helped a friend build one before, but I'm not up to date on the go to hardware for my price range (600-800) as I want to finally taste 60 frames on my favorite games (New generation MMOs, FPS/Sc2 naturally).

Any advice would be appreciated, and I referred to the guide for compatability, and managed to find a HD that wasn't as over priced as the damn WD black. I'm also interested in overclocking in the future, hence the 3570k. Thank you for your time.

Newegg shopping card:--v

--------------------------------------------------
CASE: Antec Three Hundred Black Mid $69
HD: Western Digital 1TB blue sata6.0gbs $64.99
GPU: EVGA Superclocked GTX 760 2gb $259.99
PSU: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ gold $89
MEMORY: G.Skil Ripjaw 8gb ddr3 $84.99
MOBO: MSI Z77A-G41 LGA 1155 intel Z77 $79.99
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570k Ivy Bridge 3.4ghz quad $229.99


You have no aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. I guess you can add this later if you're super strapped for cash. But don't expect much from a G41 since it's a low end board with a weak VRM and very limited BIOS.

Antec Three Hundred isn't that good at $70. I'd get a Fractal Design Define R4, Antec P280, Antec P100, Corsair Carbide 330R, Corsair Graphite 230T, etc for not much more / same price. All much better cases.

Z77 G41 does not support SLI if that's what you plan on doing with the 650w power supply. If you're not doing SLI then get the Capstone 450w.


I see the logic in the power supply, so I'll go down to 450w since I'm only going to be using a single GPU setup. And I'll take a look at the other cases for sure. The thing about the mobo is, aside from overclocking I have no idea how to use half the features, but if there is a quality issue with the Z77 then I definitely want to upgrade from there. Any suggestions?


Not sure if you want to stick to Newegg or open to purchasing from other retailers. NCIX has the 4670k for $226: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1217 and the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H for $135: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&promoid=1217 . Free shipping and $10 off for new customers.


Right, well the Fractal R4 looks pretty sweet so I'm considering that one. I'm thinking I should scrounge more parts from other retailers since this total price is pretty steep for what I wanted (higher mid range over a top of the line set up) or I'm just a cheap-ass. (http://i.imgur.com/fcDaI1G.jpg) <--cart.

If i was going to not consider overclocking, how much estimated performance drop/price drop would I be looking at if i went for the 4670 haswell and no after market cooler, etc?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 19 2014 02:40 GMT
#3795
Ew, $40 for a Hyper 212 variant. And paying $8 extra on extra aftermarket TIM as opposed to the one it ships with. Wait, ow, $110 for Define R4, $240 on i5-4670k, $85 on that RAM (!), uh... wait... ick.

Performance drop depends on game or other application. Frequently it would be negligible or essentially zero. Not so for SC2 and some other games, and maybe less so in the far future after a GPU upgrade if you're keeping the old CPU. You could save over $100 over the above by not overclocking.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 02:53:20
January 19 2014 02:51 GMT
#3796
Here's an example of what might happen without overclocking:

Board $70 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157388
CPU $220 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898
a quality mATX sized case $75 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186

You save: (board) 145 - 70 + (cpu) 240 - 220 + (case) 110 - 75 + (cooler) 40 = $170

I ignored the thermal paste you have in your cart. You don't really need it as you will get something alright with a cooler. It's also very old and does not compete that well anymore. A current product would be Arctic MX-4 (better performance, no curing time, and supposedly does not have to be replaced for many years).
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 03:04:25
January 19 2014 03:01 GMT
#3797
On January 19 2014 10:37 Mensol wrote:
im still looking for a laptop suggestion.

my budget is around 700-750$, im hoping for a good graphic card and i5!



Lenovo Y410p. Has an i5 4200M + GT 750M. Not sure about the prices in Turkey but...here's the link with specs + US price.

http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y410p/?sb=:000001CA:00003BAC:

I feel like the lack of information I'm providing you is a personal insult xD. I spent like a whole year looking at gaming notebooks because I wanted to buy one but I had a budget of $2000 so I never looked too seriously at anything under $1000...
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 19 2014 03:08 GMT
#3798
On January 19 2014 12:01 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 10:37 Mensol wrote:
im still looking for a laptop suggestion.

my budget is around 700-750$, im hoping for a good graphic card and i5!



Lenovo Y410p. Has an i5 4200M + GT 750M. Not sure about the prices in Turkey but...here's the link with specs + US price.

http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y410p/?sb=:000001CA:00003BAC:

I feel like the lack of information I'm providing you is a personal insult xD. I spent like a whole year looking at gaming notebooks because I wanted to buy one but I had a budget of $2000 so I never looked too seriously at anything under $1000...

WTF It's too expensive here, $1005 :O

thanks for your help :3
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
January 19 2014 03:18 GMT
#3799
On January 19 2014 11:51 Ropid wrote:
Here's an example of what might happen without overclocking:

Board $70 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157388
CPU $220 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898
a quality mATX sized case $75 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186

You save: (board) 145 - 70 + (cpu) 240 - 220 + (case) 110 - 75 + (cooler) 40 = $170

I ignored the thermal paste you have in your cart. You don't really need it as you will get something alright with a cooler. It's also very old and does not compete that well anymore. A current product would be Arctic MX-4 (better performance, no curing time, and supposedly does not have to be replaced for many years).


Interesting. So going for 4670 and not overclocking, would the cooler it comes with be fine? Apparently it also has pre-applied thermal paste as well, but may not compare to the aforementioned arctic MX4?
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 03:36:48
January 19 2014 03:35 GMT
#3800
On January 19 2014 12:08 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 12:01 wptlzkwjd wrote:
On January 19 2014 10:37 Mensol wrote:
im still looking for a laptop suggestion.

my budget is around 700-750$, im hoping for a good graphic card and i5!



Lenovo Y410p. Has an i5 4200M + GT 750M. Not sure about the prices in Turkey but...here's the link with specs + US price.

http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y410p/?sb=:000001CA:00003BAC:

I feel like the lack of information I'm providing you is a personal insult xD. I spent like a whole year looking at gaming notebooks because I wanted to buy one but I had a budget of $2000 so I never looked too seriously at anything under $1000...

WTF It's too expensive here, $1005 :O

thanks for your help :3


From the list of laptops that you provided above, I would say that the SONY SVF1521JSTB would be the best choice.

On January 19 2014 12:18 EMIYA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 11:51 Ropid wrote:
Here's an example of what might happen without overclocking:

Board $70 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157388
CPU $220 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898
a quality mATX sized case $75 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163186

You save: (board) 145 - 70 + (cpu) 240 - 220 + (case) 110 - 75 + (cooler) 40 = $170

I ignored the thermal paste you have in your cart. You don't really need it as you will get something alright with a cooler. It's also very old and does not compete that well anymore. A current product would be Arctic MX-4 (better performance, no curing time, and supposedly does not have to be replaced for many years).


Interesting. So going for 4670 and not overclocking, would the cooler it comes with be fine? Apparently it also has pre-applied thermal paste as well, but may not compare to the aforementioned arctic MX4?


Yes the stock cooler is fine if you're not overclocking. And yes it comes with pre-applied thermal paste so if you ever want to take it off and clean it, you will want to buy thermal paste separately.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
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