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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On November 23 2013 13:05 iTzSnypah wrote: I think it's pretty stupid to buy a CX430M (although I would). Of the modular chains (2x SATA, 1xmolex, 1x6+2pin) you end up using all of the chains for nearly any configuration. You could only really not have to use 1 SATA chain if you don't use a DVD Burner. On a side note, what do you think about some motherboards (EVGA X79 dark for example) using a 6pin GPU connector for PCI power instead of Molex? I think it's pretty awkward right now, as PSU's don't have an odd amount/enough 6+2pin connectors. If you can afford a mobo that costs over 3x as much as a solid z87 overclocking board, you're probably running a pretty beefy system where the cost of going above a lower wattage PSU is very little in comparison. You can also probably use adapters etc anyway i think | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 23 2013 14:15 Cyro wrote: If you can afford a mobo that costs over 3x as much as a solid z87 overclocking board, you're probably running a pretty beefy system where the cost of going above a lower wattage PSU is very little in comparison. You can also probably use adapters etc anyway i think Spending $20 for the next PSU up just so you can have enough 6+2Pin connectors makes me laugh. | ||
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TuckFexas
United States154 Posts
Core: im debating between an i5 or an i7 i5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 $220 i7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900 $310 Mobo Asrock b85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387 $75 GPU Gigabyte gtx 660ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125441 $275 HDD Seagate barracude 1tb 7200rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 $70 RAM gskill ripjaws 2x4gb 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 $77 PSU Capstone 450m http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 $70 SSD OCZ Vertex 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227988 $63 Optical drive Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $17 Case still waiting on this, my total with the i7 is $956, id like to see where i could save a few bucks before deciding on the case EDIT: i feel like i should add that i do a lot of programming and play a lot of games (pretty much skyrim/sc2/dota2/dayz/amnesia/minecraft/ect) If you could please critique my build that would be great. Again, i'm pretty rusty at this stuff and totally out of the loop on which manufacturers are the best/worse and where better deals are ect. Thanks | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On November 23 2013 14:34 iTzSnypah wrote: Spending $20 for the next PSU up just so you can have enough 6+2Pin connectors makes me laugh. It's a 500usd mobo by my currency, wouldn't phase me at all. On November 23 2013 14:49 TuckFexas wrote: Hey, ive got a build worked out for a tower on an $1000 usd budget. I havent messed around with computers for a while, so if you would please tell me whether or not this build is a good one that would be great. Core: im debating between an i5 or an i7 i5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 $220 i7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900 $310 Mobo Asrock b85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387 $75 GPU Gigabyte gtx 660ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125441 $275 HDD Seagate barracude 1tb 7200rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 $70 RAM gskill ripjaws 2x4gb 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 $77 PSU Capstone 450m http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 $70 SSD OCZ Vertex 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227988 $63 Optical drive Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $17 Case still waiting on this, my total with the i7 is $956, id like to see where i could save a few bucks before deciding on the case EDIT: i feel like i should add that i do a lot of programming and play a lot of games (pretty much skyrim/sc2/dota2/dayz/amnesia/minecraft/ect) If you could please critique my build that would be great. Again, i'm pretty rusty at this stuff and totally out of the loop on which manufacturers are the best/worse and where better deals are ect. Thanks You probably wouldn't benefit that much from i7, there's a few other changes that you can make too. 1 sec http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 ^$10 cheaper RAM, much better too. You can't clock it past 1600 on that motherboard, but it's better to have anyway. You might be able to find significantly cheaper 2x4gb RAM @1600mhz, if you can do that it's an option but good luck getting them significantly lower than $65/8gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127750 ^Cheaper and better graphics card. If that one becomes unavailable, there's a windforce 760 at similar price too ($250) That's a really terrible SSD for both performance and reliability, it's worth stepping up to whatever it costs for a samsung 830/840/evo 120gb or something else, seems to be almost 1.5x the price, but still worth. | ||
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TuckFexas
United States154 Posts
On November 23 2013 14:58 Cyro wrote: It's a 500usd mobo by my currency, wouldn't phase me at all. You probably wouldn't benefit that much from i7, there's a few other changes that you can make too. 1 sec http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 ^$10 cheaper RAM, much better too. You can't clock it past 1600 on that motherboard, but it's better to have anyway. You might be able to find significantly cheaper 2x4gb RAM @1600mhz, if you can do that it's an option but good luck getting them significantly lower than $65/8gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127750 ^Cheaper and better graphics card. If that one becomes unavailable, there's a windforce 760 at similar price too ($250) That's a really terrible SSD for both performance and reliability, it's worth stepping up to whatever it costs for a samsung 830/840/evo 120gb or something else, seems to be almost 1.5x the price, but still worth. Okay, so i made the changes you suggested, except for swapping out the i7. Do you think waiting until black friday would be worth it? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On November 23 2013 15:38 TuckFexas wrote: Okay, so i made the changes you suggested, except for swapping out the i7. Do you think waiting until black friday would be worth it? No idea  Why sticking with i7 though? i feel like i should add that i do a lot of programming and play a lot of games (pretty much skyrim/sc2/dota2/dayz/amnesia/minecraft/ect) The amount of popular games that benefit at all from hyperthreading can be counted on 1 hand, even then it's often questionable, and none of your games are on that list. If your programming stuff is significantly faster with hyperthreading (what kinda stuff is it even if you're cpu bound?) then it'd benefit a ton from overclocking too and you'd probably be better with OC i5 setup instead of i7, because that'd improve performance on sc2, skyrim and much more stuff than adding hyperthreading would | ||
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TuckFexas
United States154 Posts
On November 23 2013 15:45 Cyro wrote: No idea Why sticking with i7 though? The amount of popular games that benefit at all from hyperthreading can be counted on 1 hand, even then it's often questionable, and none of your games are on that list. If your programming stuff is significantly faster with hyperthreading (what kinda stuff is it even if you're cpu bound?) then it'd benefit a ton from overclocking too and you'd probably be better with OC i5 setup instead of i7, because that'd improve performance on sc2, skyrim and much more stuff than adding hyperthreading would I just kind of like the idea of having the i7 rather than an i5. Is it honestly not any faster at anything but hyperthreading? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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TuckFexas
United States154 Posts
On November 23 2013 16:02 Cyro wrote: Nah, it's basically just an i5 that has a tiny bit more cache (that is so small for performance, in almost all cases it's basically impossible to tell the difference between an i7 with ht off vs an i5) and HT Okay, thanks. Ill swap down to the i5 then. Thanks for your help man | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/npUjbP9.png I have my card's core clock running at 1040 MHz. However the graph itself shows that during my gaming session, the core clock was running at 950 MHz. Isn't that weird since the card is clocked at 1040 MHz? Similarly, during my gaming session I apparently hit 99% fan speed, however I didn't hear the fan run that fast. Maybe I wasn't paying attention or something? Lastly, did I really hit 2232 Mb memory usage, that's pretty high no? I was playing Il-2 at 1080p, I didn't think it was a game as demanding as Crysis or something. My big overall question is are these graphs accurate because they're giving me values that don't make sense to me. I'm especially talking about the core clock which isn't at the setting I set it to. Other two are trivial really. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Actually: your fan speed was only at 100% for a second, you're not looking at GPU usage, is very possible that the GPU is just not running max clock speeds for power saving etc. My GPU runs at like 600mhz in sc2 instead of 1293, because it doesn't have to run at 1293 when there's not a lot of GPU load. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
GPU not running at max core clock might also make sense, I suppose, my settings are maxed and I get well above 60 fps in game (since there's some tearing, nothing I find annoying though). Power limit is at 0% in CCC, maybe it's that? Since the game runs very smoothly I'm assuming that the card isn't drawing too much power. Which leads me to another question: do CCC and Afterburner ever conflict with each other? All in all everything's probably fine, just me being curious. ^^ | ||
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LeperKahn
Romania1846 Posts
I know very little about this process, but I'm reading as much as I can. I've spoken to a few people and looked around for builds. These two seemed relevant for my desires: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2460D http://pcpartpicker.com/p/269D8 I have no attachment to any of the parts. If there is a better deal available do not hesitate to suggest it. Thank you in advance! What is your budget? $1000-$1500 What is your monitor's native resolution? I would like to buy a monitor. (Possibly 2.) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I play Dota 2, BW, Civilization V, and old Call of Duty games sometimes. I would like to play these games on high settings. I would like computer to be relevant for a few years. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? The main reason for buying this computer is for using Ableton Live so I never have to worry about audio dropouts. In addition I would like to have a large amount of screen real estate to mess around with. I will be using this computer to do homework. (I'm a physics major, and might need to be able to run simulations later on.) I will play games on this computer. (I think having large amounts of storage on a secondary internal drive would be useful. I'm also considering a dedicated sound card. From what I've read music software doesn't gain much from hyper threading CPU. I think the software does well with a large amount of fast memory available.) Do you intend to overclock? That seems like a good plan. I don't see why I wouldn't. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No, but if it would allow my computer to stay relevant much longer I would be interested. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? This is part of my budget. I need a monitor. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. no What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. no | ||
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TuckFexas
United States154 Posts
On November 23 2013 14:49 TuckFexas wrote: Hey, ive got a build worked out for a tower on an $1000 usd budget. I havent messed around with computers for a while, so if you would please tell me whether or not this build is a good one that would be great. Core: im debating between an i5 or an i7 i5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 $220 i7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900 $310 Mobo Asrock b85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387 $75 GPU Gigabyte gtx 660ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125441 $275 HDD Seagate barracude 1tb 7200rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 $70 RAM gskill ripjaws 2x4gb 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 $77 PSU Capstone 450m http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 $70 SSD OCZ Vertex 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227988 $63 Optical drive Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $17 Case still waiting on this, my total with the i7 is $956, id like to see where i could save a few bucks before deciding on the case EDIT: i feel like i should add that i do a lot of programming and play a lot of games (pretty much skyrim/sc2/dota2/dayz/amnesia/minecraft/ect) If you could please critique my build that would be great. Again, i'm pretty rusty at this stuff and totally out of the loop on which manufacturers are the best/worse and where better deals are ect. Thanks Hey, so originally i had a $1000 budget on the tower and set aside $500 for the keyboard/monitor ect. Turns out, i only managed to spend $1232, so i was wondering if anyone could see a place i should improve upon. Heres my current build: Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236153 $160 (140 mir) Keyboard http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-blackwidow-ultimate $140 Core i5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 $220 Mobo Asrock b85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387 $75 GPU 760 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127750 $250 RAM 8gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 $75 (65 mir) HDD Seagate barracude 1tb 7200rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 $70 PSU Capstone 450m http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 $70 Optical drive Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $17 SSD samsung 120gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 $90 Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144275 $65 total = 1232 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 24 2013 03:06 LeperKahn wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi. I know very little about this process, but I'm reading as much as I can. I've spoken to a few people and looked around for builds. These two seemed relevant for my desires: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2460D http://pcpartpicker.com/p/269D8 I have no attachment to any of the parts. If there is a better deal available do not hesitate to suggest it. Thank you in advance! What is your budget? $1000-$1500 What is your monitor's native resolution? I would like to buy a monitor. (Possibly 2.) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I play Dota 2, BW, Civilization V, and old Call of Duty games sometimes. I would like to play these games on high settings. I would like computer to be relevant for a few years. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? The main reason for buying this computer is for using Ableton Live so I never have to worry about audio dropouts. In addition I would like to have a large amount of screen real estate to mess around with. I will be using this computer to do homework. (I'm a physics major, and might need to be able to run simulations later on.) I will play games on this computer. (I think having large amounts of storage on a secondary internal drive would be useful. I'm also considering a dedicated sound card. From what I've read music software doesn't gain much from hyper threading CPU. I think the software does well with a large amount of fast memory available.) Do you intend to overclock? That seems like a good plan. I don't see why I wouldn't. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No, but if it would allow my computer to stay relevant much longer I would be interested. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? This is part of my budget. I need a monitor. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. no What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. no Those builds.... are strange? Z series boards are required for overclocking so the first build... pairing a 4670k with a H87 makes no sense unless the 4670k is less expensive than the 4670 which doesn't appear to be the case. The second build pairs a 4670k with a Z87 which is what you should do but the rest of it is strange as well. Self-contained liquid heatsinks are not suggested because well... they're crap for how expensive they are. A top-end tower heatsink would be better, Noctua NH-U14S, Phantek, etc. A $150 full tower case.... with a mATX motherboard... Power supplies in both builds are... rather meh. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 24 2013 03:43 TuckFexas wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On November 23 2013 14:49 TuckFexas wrote: Hey, ive got a build worked out for a tower on an $1000 usd budget. I havent messed around with computers for a while, so if you would please tell me whether or not this build is a good one that would be great. Core: im debating between an i5 or an i7 i5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 $220 i7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116900 $310 Mobo Asrock b85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387 $75 GPU Gigabyte gtx 660ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125441 $275 HDD Seagate barracude 1tb 7200rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 $70 RAM gskill ripjaws 2x4gb 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 $77 PSU Capstone 450m http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 $70 SSD OCZ Vertex 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227988 $63 Optical drive Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $17 Case still waiting on this, my total with the i7 is $956, id like to see where i could save a few bucks before deciding on the case EDIT: i feel like i should add that i do a lot of programming and play a lot of games (pretty much skyrim/sc2/dota2/dayz/amnesia/minecraft/ect) If you could please critique my build that would be great. Again, i'm pretty rusty at this stuff and totally out of the loop on which manufacturers are the best/worse and where better deals are ect. Thanks Hey, so originally i had a $1000 budget on the tower and set aside $500 for the keyboard/monitor ect. Turns out, i only managed to spend $1232, so i was wondering if anyone could see a place i should improve upon. Heres my current build: Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236153 $160 (140 mir) Keyboard http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-blackwidow-ultimate $140 Core i5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 $220 Mobo Asrock b85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157387 $75 GPU 760 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127750 $250 RAM 8gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 $75 (65 mir) HDD Seagate barracude 1tb 7200rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 $70 PSU Capstone 450m http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 $70 Optical drive Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $17 SSD samsung 120gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 $90 Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144275 $65 total = 1232 Get a 250GB SSD. If you don't care about micro-managing an SSD than get a second and third monitor. If you don't care about screen estate than get a GTX 770. The funny thing is your budget allows for all of this. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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TuckFexas
United States154 Posts
On November 24 2013 05:18 Myrmidon wrote: Also maybe don't buy a $180 - $20 MIR 1080p 60 Hz TN monitor with a shaky tilt-only stand. hmmm.... well can you (or anyone else) recommend one for me? i wanted 1920x1080 with 2ms and this was the cheapest i found. I have no idea really what im doing with monitors | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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