On July 30 2012 09:47 ellsworth wrote: you ppl r all laymen u have no idea go reply to the intel thread
are you begging for attention? all I have been using for the past 3-4 years are phenom II cpus and I have had good and bad experiences with several different motherboards. The most recent motherboard I bought was a gigabyte and it wouldnt OC at all. literally. and that was a first for me and I was extremely pissed. I had a msi motherboard before and I was able to OC on it but I could only get about a 300 mhz increase.
You can disagree all you want but some motherboards CAN NOT overclock. simple. Some motherboards can but wont get too far due to voltage limitations and fsb limitations. Know your shit before you decide to disrespect the people who try to help in this forum.
On July 29 2012 07:33 Myrmidon wrote: A few more thoughts:
Phenom II X6 1055T is not a Black Edition processor. You can't just increase multiplier, right? (or am I the one with a brain fart today?) You'd need to OC through BCLK, not that doing so is such a terrible thing.
As everybody is mentioning, voltage changes may not be possible. Even if they were, stay far away from that.
You might need a better CPU cooler to overclock, but maybe not for a small OC. A better cooler would cost money and a bit of time to install. A novice could get the installation wrong.
With just a small OC through BCLK and no voltage adjustment (say, making it to 3.1 GHz or so), there won't be much change in performance.
Is that change of performance worth the trouble? It could be, but I would say not for a novice.
P.S. buying a new motherboard for the same processor is definitely not worth the money.
This is right, the X6 1055T is indeed multiplier LOCKED, thus you won't be able to go over x14 (if I remember right, 200*14 = 2800) and you will need to increase FSB instead. I'm currently running 250x14 and I've also ran 265x14 - and I could probably go higher but the increase in actual power isn't really worth it at that point unless you go all the way to 4GHz+.
However at mere 3,5GHz the CPU works wonders and I have no slowdowns in 1v1 SC2 unless it's very late game where we get slowdowns like any other system basically would.
Now, your mobo likely being low end model, you will more than likely get stuck when you try to up your FSB settings above a certain point, and/or you might not be able to change your voltages at all. I actually did some undervolting myself because my stresstests couldn't crash my computer at 3,5GHz. At 3,7GHz I ran normal voltages my mobo gives.
On July 30 2012 09:47 ellsworth wrote: you ppl r all laymen u have no idea go reply to the intel thread
are you begging for attention? all I have been using for the past 3-4 years are phenom II cpus and I have had good and bad experiences with several different motherboards. The most recent motherboard I bought was a gigabyte and it wouldnt OC at all. literally. and that was a first for me and I was extremely pissed. I had a msi motherboard before and I was able to OC on it but I could only get about a 300 mhz increase.
You can disagree all you want but some motherboards CAN NOT overclock. simple. Some motherboards can but wont get too far due to voltage limitations and fsb limitations. Know your shit before you decide to disrespect the people who try to help in this forum.
You are entitled to the wrong opinion but let me inform you of the correct one. Each chip is different but I own a very humble motherboard($75) called gaming edition overclock su-fucking-preme and I can crank this bad boy up to 4 ghz. What I am saying is that all u need is a motherboard with a few overclock modes in the bios.
Not everyone keeps it at 4 but If I owned a bloody noctua maybe i would. The things are "overvolted" at stock so they can be undervolted when running at speeds such as 3.5. Hell turning the 2 centre cores off can even do some things for voltage and heat dissipation.
There are some serious threads with analysis on overclocker forums on the net. I will link below.
On July 30 2012 09:47 ellsworth wrote: you ppl r all laymen u have no idea go reply to the intel thread
are you begging for attention? all I have been using for the past 3-4 years are phenom II cpus and I have had good and bad experiences with several different motherboards. The most recent motherboard I bought was a gigabyte and it wouldnt OC at all. literally. and that was a first for me and I was extremely pissed. I had a msi motherboard before and I was able to OC on it but I could only get about a 300 mhz increase.
You can disagree all you want but some motherboards CAN NOT overclock. simple. Some motherboards can but wont get too far due to voltage limitations and fsb limitations. Know your shit before you decide to disrespect the people who try to help in this forum.
You are entitled to the wrong opinion but let me inform you of the correct one. Each chip is different but I own a very humble motherboard($75) called gaming edition overclock su-fucking-preme and I can crank this bad boy up to 4 ghz. What I am saying is that all u need is a motherboard with a few overclock modes in the bios.
Not everyone keeps it at 4 but If I owned a bloody noctua maybe i would. The things are "overvolted" at stock so they can be undervolted when running at speeds such as 3.5. Hell turning the 2 centre cores off can even do some things for voltage and heat dissipation.
There are some serious threads with analysis on overclocker forums on the net. I will link below.
Here is this guy again showing us that its a good cpu for the price.
If you tried not talking like a twelve year old on a sugar rush, maybe people would take you a bit more seriously. (yes, that is how you spell "people", notice all the vowels in there.) The OP's MSI board (MSI 870-g45 or 770-g45) has a very high rate of VRM and MOSFET failures, this is a well established fact. These motherboards have been known to fail with higher level Phenom II X6 CPUs at stock speeds. Overclocking on this motherboard is a bad idea.
Overclocking, even on another board, wouldn't net great results anyways. Considering you'll only be using 2 cores on SC2, a 400mhz overclock won't do much for you. Believe it or not, most games still only use 2 cores, and games which came out in the last 6-12 months are finally starting to use 4+ cores. Don't expect amazing results from any minor/intermediate overclock on this chip.
I dont even know why this conversation is still continuing. Its already been said, dont OC/OV on that MSI motherboard without someday expecting everything on it to be gone.
Ellsworth is going on and on about the chip for some unknown reason. Its the motherboard we are talking about. Thats it. Its done. Those boards are bad news bears.
Linus exists to peddle stuff for NCIX. That's ignoring the fact that the video is like 2 years old. That's like two generation ago. That's was when Lynnfield was beating AMD chips in performance.
Sometimes I have to listen to him speak because people link to his videos. Please don't, very rarely does he have anything of worth to say. I can read the box information, I'm not stupid Linus, and I'm not stupid enough to believe manufacturer claims either.
On July 30 2012 18:39 Thezftw wrote: It's not a completely trash chip for the age and price if you got something that can use all the cores.
Which is barely anything. Not to mention that even if they do use all cores, they can still lose or basically tie in performance because they're missing Intel-only instruction sets. Also, their prices were fairly high back when they were actually worth something.
On July 30 2012 18:39 Thezftw wrote: It's not a completely trash chip for the age and price if you got something that can use all the cores.
That said, it's quite terrible for gaming. An i3 would probably run most 2 core games better than this chip.
It was the best one I could find that still fits my mobo slot. When i get paid for this summerjob I will prolly upgrade mobo and get an i7.
If that proves to be too expensive, an i5 works just as well for practically anything gaming related. I can easily overclock my Sandy Bridge i5-2500k from 3.3ghz to 4.8ghz, or 5.2 if I don't mind the heat. I can stream in 720p in good quality while gaming too. An i7 is always the best choice, but if you want to stretch your paycheck a little further, an i5 is a great alternative.
If for some reason you do overclock the thing (why you would, I have no idea) make sure to disable some of the cores to save power (and heat). I think there should be some way to do this in the bios, but if not, you can do it in msconfig. There is no reason to have more than 3 cores when running SC2 (2 for SC2, 1 for everything else).
On July 30 2012 22:25 GoldenH wrote: If for some reason you do overclock the thing (why you would, I have no idea) make sure to disable some of the cores to save power (and heat). I think there should be some way to do this in the bios, but if not, you can do it in msconfig. There is no reason to have more than 3 cores when running SC2 (2 for SC2, 1 for everything else).
That's pretty much what I'd do if I really wanted to tinker with that system for SC2 performance.
Disable 3 cores.
Buy mosfet heatsinks for that board (ezontech mos-c1 pretty much)
Add a top-down cooler like a Scythe Grand Kama Cross.
But that would already cost ~$60 for maybe a ~30% performance boost at best, if that board can even handle that kind of overclock. And while getting, let's say, 28 minimum FPS is better than 22 in big battles, in the long run it's better and safer to just upgrade the mobo and CPU altogether.
Probably worth noting that not all cores are equal and you might get better results with enabling/disabling different cores. This will kinda take some time with 6 cores to play with so unless you plan to become hobbyist at this field I pretty much doubt it's worth the trouble and suggest you get that i5 / i7 system instead.
My Gigabyte board didn't have mosfet heatsinks by default so I did put some old zalman shit in there. Other than that the board is pretty sick OC'er. The only issue I've ever had with was coilwhine at some point when I was playing with my settings.
i go on and on about the chip because there is nothing wrong with overclockign the 125W 1055t as long as u do notjack up the voltages.
Is it even a dangerous overlock if the voltages are lowered from stock or even left the same? I dont think so.
Turning the cores 3 and 4 off did nothing much for me heat wise and voltage wise but I did not experiment much with that because the computer boots up at stock voltage because I can not change it in my mobo I have to use k10 stat.
Its not a very good cpu but it has a lot of headroom for high overclocks and it has 6 cores which can be used or tuned off. It is nothing special but is not a bad thing to be using these days espeically when i5 cost a lot of money for the good one.
Is it even a dangerous overlock if the voltages are lowered from stock or even left the same? I dont think so.
Perhaps. Increasing the clock speed increases power draw. Try it out some time if you've got a wall socket power meter. Leave the voltages the same but increase the clock speed. Power draw rises anyway.
To be fair, those MSI boards blew because of rather high overclocks. But leaving the voltage at stock doesn't really get you a great overclock so what's the point?
On July 31 2012 15:42 ellsworth wrote: Its not a very good cpu but it has a lot of headroom for high overclocks and it has 6 cores which can be used or tuned off. It is nothing special but is not a bad thing to be using these days espeically when i5 cost a lot of money for the good one.
check it.
No one is knocking the 1055t. I praise my 1045t as its the best cpu i've ever had. What everyone is saying is that the MOTHERBOARD wont oc it. it doesnt matter that the cpu is overvolted and can be undervolted while still being oc'd in bios via fsb... if the motherboard is ass, then it may not even allow you to go 10 mhz over the stock 200 mhz fsb. That motherboard I mentioned a few posts back cost me $75 and do you know how far it oc'd my 1045t? none. nothing. 0. I couldnt get past 202 mhz fsb without getting no post. The motherboard I have now is an asus board which cost me $60 and im running my cpu at 3.6 ghz ez.
some motherboards just cant do it unless its a BE processor and even then the mobo may not be able to handle the necessary voltages.
Everyone here know that the Phenom II x6 isnt a bad cpu, but in this situation its either get a new motherboard or dump amd all together and just go to intel because with his current setup, he wont see a performance increase.
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