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Hello, everyone.
I have decided on my new system, so only monitors are left to buy.
Two monitors have caught my attention:
BenQ gw2450hm
http://www.hardwareversand.de/60 cm (24)/59440/BenQ GW2450HM.article
Dell U2312HM
http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=56629&agid=603&apop=0
The problem I have with BenQ is:
"- Requires calibration. If you can't get a hold of a calibrator, you should model your results around TFT Central's results and ICC profile and use your eye to do the rest. It will reduce the major problems but issues with gamma will still likely persist. "
from this thread.
The difference is below 20 €, not a big deal. The big deal is to use the monitor with no further issues.
What do you think, guys?
PS: forgot to mention. Id like to use 2 monitors. Games I will be playing are modern ego-shooters, Hots and other RTSs, D3 and some other RPGs.
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Not sure why that is a problem? All these low end monitors require some sort of calibration if you care about color.
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What is the general consensus on the Eizo FS2333 for sc2?
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On June 10 2013 18:57 S3ph wrote:
The problem I have with BenQ is:
"- Requires calibration. If you can't get a hold of a calibrator, you should model your results around TFT Central's results and ICC profile and use your eye to do the rest. It will reduce the major problems but issues with gamma will still likely persist. "
from this thread.
The difference is below 20 €, not a big deal. The big deal is to use the monitor with no further issues.
Its there to tell you use TFT Central's values. But so long you have Gamma set to 3, everything should be pretty decent.
On June 10 2013 22:01 holistic wrote:
What is the general consensus on the Eizo FS2333 for sc2?
Perfectly fine for a 60hz monitor but very expensive. The Asus VG23AH is basically the same thing except much cheaper and has a passive 3D filter that might or might not be obtrusive if you wear glasses.
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I used a crt monitor my entire life prior to getting my benq XL2420T (~10 years of using the same monitor) but for some reason It doesn't look at smooth as the crt(@60hz most times, @75 for the last few weeks of using it). I haven't done a side by side comparison because I need an adapter to hook the crt to my graphics card, but something always feel a bit off about it. It's set to 120 hz, ama and instant mode are on, and my framerate is rarely if ever dipping below 60 fps(i5 3750k @ 3.8, low effects, physics off).
Is there a reason it feels/looks different or am I just imagining things?
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On June 11 2013 01:54 kill619 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I used a crt monitor my entire life prior to getting my benq XL2420T (~10 years of using the same monitor) but for some reason It doesn't look at smooth as the crt(@60hz most times, @75 for the last few weeks of using it). I haven't done a side by side comparison because I need an adapter to hook the crt to my graphics card, but something always feel a bit off about it. It's set to 120 hz, ama and instant mode are on, and my framerate is rarely if ever dipping below 60 fps(i5 3750k @ 3.8, low effects, physics off).
Is there a reason it feels/looks different or am I just imagining things?
You're not imagining things. It's a lot better than 60Hz but still nowhere near CRT-levels of smoothness. This is because LCDs do sample-and-hold. Fortunately for you, there's a known "hack" that's extremely easy to use (with 120Hz monitors that support LightBoost) which makes use of the scanning backlight to create CRT-like motion smoothness. I really like the work the guy (guys?) at BlurBusters has done into putting all this info together: http://www.blurbusters.com/
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Could also be the way the backlight is implemented, or the lower contrast, or the off-angle color shifts (particularly top-bottom), or the input lag.
Technically I'd say it's the pixel response times and not the sample and hold, but that's just a matter of perspective. It's showing an image while the pixels are still changing, hence motion blur.
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On June 11 2013 00:47 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 18:57 S3ph wrote:
The problem I have with BenQ is:
"- Requires calibration. If you can't get a hold of a calibrator, you should model your results around TFT Central's results and ICC profile and use your eye to do the rest. It will reduce the major problems but issues with gamma will still likely persist. "
from this thread.
The difference is below 20 €, not a big deal. The big deal is to use the monitor with no further issues. Its there to tell you use TFT Central's values. But so long you have Gamma set to 3, everything should be pretty decent.
In that case I'll stay with Dell. Its FullHD by 60Hz whereas BenQ not FullHD.
So I think monitors are done. Now keyboard, mouse and headset. 
Thank you, guys.
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BenQ is full HD -.- , this dumbass marketing term just means 1080p...
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On June 11 2013 03:40 Wabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:54 kill619 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I used a crt monitor my entire life prior to getting my benq XL2420T (~10 years of using the same monitor) but for some reason It doesn't look at smooth as the crt(@60hz most times, @75 for the last few weeks of using it). I haven't done a side by side comparison because I need an adapter to hook the crt to my graphics card, but something always feel a bit off about it. It's set to 120 hz, ama and instant mode are on, and my framerate is rarely if ever dipping below 60 fps(i5 3750k @ 3.8, low effects, physics off).
Is there a reason it feels/looks different or am I just imagining things? You're not imagining things. It's a lot better than 60Hz but still nowhere near CRT-levels of smoothness. This is because LCDs do sample-and-hold. Fortunately for you, there's a known "hack" that's extremely easy to use (with 120Hz monitors that support LightBoost) which makes use of the scanning backlight to create CRT-like motion smoothness. I really like the work the guy (guys?) at BlurBusters has done into putting all this info together: http://www.blurbusters.com/
I looked at the light boost thing and I'm guessing I need to have an nvidia card to do this?
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Thanks for the response, Womwomwom.
In particular to the FS2333, how worthwhile is the smart insight feature for sc2?
Anyone dealt with Eizo customer service? It comes with a 5 year warranty, how important are long term warranties for monitors?
I appreciate the suggestion for the ASUS VG23AH. I wear glasses and am hesitant to make this purchase.
Also, after seeing displays like the Retina, will we see desktop monitors in the future with massive pixel density?
Thanks!
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On June 11 2013 10:47 holistic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thanks for the response, Womwomwom.
In particular to the FS2333, how worthwhile is the smart insight feature for sc2?
Anyone dealt with Eizo customer service? It comes with a 5 year warranty, how important are long term warranties for monitors?
I appreciate the suggestion for the ASUS VG23AH. I wear glasses and am hesitant to make this purchase.
Also, after seeing displays like the Retina, will we see desktop monitors in the future with massive pixel density?
Thanks!
Monitors, like any device, can fail so the importance of warranty length really comes down to the individual. It also depends on the premium for the extra years of warranty.
A "retina" display is not defined as having massive pixel density -.- The PPI necessary to qualify for a "retina" display is different for each device because they're viewed at different distances. I'm not sure of the exact specifications for 'retina' but there's the soon to be released $4000 ASUS 31.5" 4k display with ~140 PPI which I do believe qualifies as "retina" or coming very close to it. There's also the 20" NEC medical displays which probably qualify as retina as well.
The software and hardware is just not there yet, eg. Windows scaling being terrible, HDMI 2.0 isn't out yet, and companies still put VGA on their products -__-. So don't expect "retina" to become mainstream on the desktop anytime soon.
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On June 11 2013 07:41 skyR wrote:
BenQ is full HD -.- , this dumbass marketing term just means 1080p...
Ah, ok, I get it. Hmm, I might me considering BenQ.
Thanks a lot.
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On June 11 2013 10:47 holistic wrote:
Thanks for the response, Womwomwom.
In particular to the FS2333, how worthwhile is the smart insight feature for sc2?
Anyone dealt with Eizo customer service? It comes with a 5 year warranty, how important are long term warranties for monitors?
Skyr answered most of your questions. Smart insight is probably useless. Most of these post-processing "gamer enhancement" features don't do anything. Maybe you'll get something out of it but I don't see anything good coming from it.
I've dealt with Eizo customer service in Australia. They treat you like actual people but they make you pay for shipping to their office, which may or may not be normal. They're a bit strict regarding panel defects on their lower end, non-business monitors like their Foris series. They're not Dell, who are generally very willing to exchange it no questions asked.
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Thanks for the response, skyR and Womwomwom.
I saw that display from ASUS! Hopefully the market will have smaller versions for PC in the future. Since HDMI 2.0 is so far away, could they use an updated thunderport for the increase in information to be transferred? I don't know very much about the brandwidth limitations of each cable.
The EIZO monitor is looking less and less attractive for the price point. Thanks for the heads up on hidden fees/challenges with EIZO.
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Hey guys, have you ever heard anything about Nvidia gfx cards not working well through HDMI and needing a hack-y thing to get the full colour range? I kinda thought I had a problem like that since my HDMI monitor felt off, so I did it and I think it's better, but I'd like to know if you've ever heard of a thing like that. o.0
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Yes, Nvidia are stupid and I don't think they've fixed the HDMI colour range problem. Nvidia assumes HDMI = TV so they limit the colour range. AMD doesn't do it so I don't know why Nvidia does it.
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On June 12 2013 01:08 Womwomwom wrote:
Yes, Nvidia are stupid and I don't think they've fixed the HDMI colour range problem. Nvidia assumes HDMI = TV so they limit the colour range. AMD doesn't do it so I don't know why Nvidia does it.
Cool. Good to know it's actually a thing and I didn't just download a virus and my eyes weren't lying. XD
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Hi guys,
Hope you guys can help me a bit. I'm living in Belgium (Europe) and I'm looking for a new screen. I am currently using an old TFT medion screen. However I get very dizzy most of the time while playing pc games (this actually started out with SC2), the only game I can play atm is LoL...
The new screen should be preferably between 21,5 inch - 20 inch (my desk ain't so big) and I would like to try it out first after receiving it (or buying it), since I want to test if I still get the dizyness. You guys will probably advice me to go buy a screen at the local retailer so I can bring it back easily. However they only have a limited choose. So I hope you guys can help me with this limited choice.
These are some retailers which are pretty close to my place
http://www.mycom.be/computer-1/tft-monitor.html
http://www.forcom.be/computer/monitoren/led-en-lcd-monitoren.html
http://www.vandenborre.be/scherm-muis-toetsenbord/pc-scherm
What do you guys think of the Samsung S22B350H? I am not sure if an IPS screen would be better or not
Thanks guys
Nice day to all
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Just picked up two BenQ GW2450HM for my second setup, and holy fk these monitors are huge. Guess I'm used to 21".
Anyway, thanks again for this thread and OP recommendations.
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