EPTAnything wrong with this korean IPS monitor?
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
Anything wrong with this korean IPS monitor? | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On February 09 2013 01:28 nosliw wrote: Do the Korean monitors use lower grade panels or something? Why are they cheaper? Usually yes (particularly the cheaper options). Also often worse electronics—many have issues like brightness adjustments being borked and actually reducing contrast too; the ones with more inputs have worse input lag. They have worse warranties and stands too. Some options have less issues than others, worth a look considering the price. | ||
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carmon
United States220 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260055 | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
1: Irun 27" IPS 2: Catleap 27" IPS As I ordered the Catleap, but it was temporarily out of stock (it cost a lot less $450!), but they're offering the Irun one instead for the same cost. Cheers. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
Other than the anti-glare and that glow on the bottom right, I love the monitor. I will never go back to 1080p for my main monitor. I'm convinced even at $300, 1920x1200 is worth it for productivity. Reading text is a lot easier. Dektop space looks more natural that just feels right instead of all squished looking. The colors are definitely an improvement (but didn't "WOW!" me tbh) over my Asus VG236H 23", but again, the AG coating is a con. I think the picture would look even better, and I would imagine the colors would pop out more if it had a glossy finish instead of this AG coating. I have 30 days to return it to Best Buy in favor of one of those korean 27" ips monitors with a glossy or semi-gloss coat, but I think may keep the U2412M. Anything else will just be more expensive or come with other compromises unless I go all out and spend $600+. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The bottom right of the screen emits some kind of light That's probably backlight bleeding if none of the other corners are exhibiting the same issue. Viewing angles aren't good at certain angles when the anti-glare glows or washes out the colors. IPS has better viewing angles but the main draw is gamma stability. If you display a solid block of colour, the top of the screen should be the same colour as the bottom. TN monitors can't do this. Anyway, what you're describing here is IPS glow. Keep in mind IPS glow is mostly dependent on how far you are from the screen. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
I'm looking for another reasonably priced monitor to go with my Asus VS229H-P that I have now to do a multi monitor setup. Not really sure what the budget is, but I probably don't need to get a big/high res monitor because I only have a GTX 650. I only play SC2, but still, might be pushing it. HDMI would be nice, but I can always buy a displayport adapter or something. (My card does DVI, VGA, and HDMI) I like the matte on the Asus I have, but wouldn't mind having a stronger backlight. Do you have any specific recommendations? I was thinking about the other Asus VS239H-P, which is just a bigger version, but I imagine the backlight won't be much better if not worse? And if so, any other options? Speakers would also be a plus, but I have some inexpensive logitechs anyways. USB ports would also be nice... I looked through the list you had and the only other one there seemed to be the Ultrasharp, but am I missing anything that might fit me? Also, ever seen one of the IPS monitors from LG around the 180$ mark, and if so, know anything about them? like this Shortening this significantly... couple of options: (see my intentions in spoiler) Asus VN247H-P and a note: is this IPS? It states pretty high viewing angles but doesn't say. Asus VS229H-P Or something like this LG IPS7 monitor, although I wouldn't get it at Newegg. Other option being the 23" dell ultrasharp. Would I really find an appreciable difference in any of these? | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
Thanks in advance. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On February 19 2013 16:39 Alryk wrote: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + I'm looking for another reasonably priced monitor to go with my Asus VS229H-P that I have now to do a multi monitor setup. Not really sure what the budget is, but I probably don't need to get a big/high res monitor because I only have a GTX 650. I only play SC2, but still, might be pushing it. HDMI would be nice, but I can always buy a displayport adapter or something. (My card does DVI, VGA, and HDMI) I like the matte on the Asus I have, but wouldn't mind having a stronger backlight. Do you have any specific recommendations? I was thinking about the other Asus VS239H-P, which is just a bigger version, but I imagine the backlight won't be much better if not worse? And if so, any other options? Speakers would also be a plus, but I have some inexpensive logitechs anyways. USB ports would also be nice... I looked through the list you had and the only other one there seemed to be the Ultrasharp, but am I missing anything that might fit me? Also, ever seen one of the IPS monitors from LG around the 180$ mark, and if so, know anything about them? like this Shortening this significantly... couple of options: (see my intentions in spoiler) Asus VN247H-P and a note: is this IPS? It states pretty high viewing angles but doesn't say. Asus VS229H-P Or something like this LG IPS7 monitor, although I wouldn't get it at Newegg. Other option being the 23" dell ultrasharp. Would I really find an appreciable difference in any of these? Hmm, you need a monitor that can go above 250 cd/m^2? That's... quite high. You must work in a ridiculously over-lit environment or something to need it to be that strong. The first good monitor that comes to mind that goes beyond that is the U2312HM... per Prad and TFTCentral, it can achieve up to 350cd/m^2 at 100% brightness. The problem is that the minimum brightness is extremely high, something like 110cd/m^2. U2212HM is in my opinion a better alternative (better contrast, has USB ports still, better minimum brightness) but doesn't go beyond 250cd/m^2 maximum. Neither have HDMI, but passive HDMI<->DVI adapters (or just male-male HDMI-DVI cables) are cheap. That VN247H-P is a TN, as given away by the viewing angles: stated as 170/160. Also 1ms response time means it's TN, and also means it probably reverse ghosts, but it should also have the "Trace Free" option to turn down the overdrive aggressiveness. If you want a TN for whatever reason it's probably decent (looks like it's coming from a newer production batch of TN panels) but I don't think it's a compelling purchase over similarly priced IPS unless you want the thinner anti-glare or less motion blur. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On February 21 2013 01:26 Wabbit wrote: Hmm, you need a monitor that can go above 250 cd/m^2? That's... quite high. You must work in a ridiculously over-lit environment or something to need it to be that strong. The first good monitor that comes to mind that goes beyond that is the U2312HM... per Prad and TFTCentral, it can achieve up to 350cd/m^2 at 100% brightness. The problem is that the minimum brightness is extremely high, something like 110cd/m^2. U2212HM is in my opinion a better alternative (better contrast, has USB ports still, better minimum brightness) but doesn't go beyond 250cd/m^2 maximum. Neither have HDMI, but passive HDMI&lt;-&gt;DVI adapters (or just male-male HDMI-DVI cables) are cheap. That VN247H-P is a TN, as given away by the viewing angles: stated as 170/160. Also 1ms response time means it's TN, and also means it probably reverse ghosts, but it should also have the "Trace Free" option to turn down the overdrive aggressiveness. If you want a TN for whatever reason it's probably decent (looks like it's coming from a newer production batch of TN panels) but I don't think it's a compelling purchase over similarly priced IPS unless you want the thinner anti-glare or less motion blur. Ah thanks for the reply. A stronger backlight isn't high on my priority, but it would have been nice. I wasn't aware that it was so rare. I think I'm just used to my laptop, which is matte and goes just over 300. Nah no particular need for a TN panel. I might grab an ultrasharp if I can get it on sale in light of what you said, although I was hoping for a 23-24inch one. Thanks! | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On January 30 2013 12:23 Womwomwom wrote: I haven't read into the actual technology but I've read into the results. You get better motion performance (people claim CRT-like performance) but apparently more input lag, messed up non-adjustable colours, and flickering if you're sensitive to that sort of stuff. Lightboost looks pretty cool. The better motion performance will outweigh the increase in input lag. Am I correct in the assumption that the increase in input lag should roughly be around 1 ms (when using a "1 ms" lcd like the XL2411T or the VG248QE)? | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313&Tpk=VG248QE Asus is on fire when it comes to products geared for gamers and esports enthusiasts. | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
On February 22 2013 04:50 AnomalySC2 wrote: I bought Asus VG248QE 2 weeks ago and I can't recommend it enough. Dota 2 and LoL look so incredibly smooth and fluid at 120 + hz. It's an amazing upgrade for those with rigs powerful enough to run 120 fps or more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313&Tpk=VG248QE Asus is on fire when it comes to products geared for gamers and esports enthusiasts. I have an older rig, going on 3yrs, so i probably wouldn't be utilizing the 120hz. But I do need a new monitor b/c mine is 5+ years old and the power supply is starting to die. Is that monitor good for watching movies and TV shows as well as the games you play? | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 22 2013 05:53 Xinder wrote: On February 22 2013 04:50 AnomalySC2 wrote: I bought Asus VG248QE 2 weeks ago and I can't recommend it enough. Dota 2 and LoL look so incredibly smooth and fluid at 120 + hz. It's an amazing upgrade for those with rigs powerful enough to run 120 fps or more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313&Tpk=VG248QE Asus is on fire when it comes to products geared for gamers and esports enthusiasts. I have an older rig, going on 3yrs, so i probably wouldn't be utilizing the 120hz. But I do need a new monitor b/c mine is 5+ years old and the power supply is starting to die. Is that monitor good for watching movies and TV shows as well as the games you play? It's not going to be good without calibration. Apparently the default presets are all pretty garbage (which is not too surprising, but slightly disappointing considering the VG236H's only issue was green tint, otherwise a surprisingly decent Standard mode for a TN monitor). You could use an user-generated ICC Profile (it's easy enough to find and apply) but I know I'm already speaking Chinese to you here. Watching movies means Blu-Ray as well? Then maybe 120/144Hz would be better as they can usually (?) play 24fps blu-rays without issues. Some really good 60Hz monitors refuse to do this completely (Eizo FS2333 for example per Prad's review), or do so with judder. Not nice. I don't know off the top of my head which monitors can handle blu-ray judder free, but maybe you don't care about that at all. There's plenty of good monitor options in the OP. You'd probably want IPS for the viewing angles so you're not restricted when watching movies/TV. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Well, in the very least, I've heard of the Asus VG23AH (semi-glossy eIPS) being able to do that. Semi-glossy IPS might be the best option for movies/TV anyway, unless you watch them really close and would be dealing with the IPS glow from such a close angle. Err, some *VA might have better contrast though. Anyway, VG23AH is cheaper than a 120Hz monitor like a VG248QE. If your old system uses an AMD (well ATI) graphics card, I don't think you can do custom timings without a 3rd-party program like PowerStrip. I know Nvidia and even modern Intel integrated graphics can do custom timings. | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:20 Wabbit wrote: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2013 05:53 Xinder wrote: On February 22 2013 04:50 AnomalySC2 wrote: I bought Asus VG248QE 2 weeks ago and I can't recommend it enough. Dota 2 and LoL look so incredibly smooth and fluid at 120 + hz. It's an amazing upgrade for those with rigs powerful enough to run 120 fps or more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313&Tpk=VG248QE Asus is on fire when it comes to products geared for gamers and esports enthusiasts. I have an older rig, going on 3yrs, so i probably wouldn't be utilizing the 120hz. But I do need a new monitor b/c mine is 5+ years old and the power supply is starting to die. Is that monitor good for watching movies and TV shows as well as the games you play? It's not going to be good without calibration. Apparently the default presets are all pretty garbage (which is not too surprising, but slightly disappointing considering the VG236H's only issue was green tint, otherwise a surprisingly decent Standard mode for a TN monitor). You could use an user-generated ICC Profile (it's easy enough to find and apply) but I know I'm already speaking Chinese to you here. Watching movies means Blu-Ray as well? Then maybe 120/144Hz would be better as they can usually (?) play 24fps blu-rays without issues. Some really good 60Hz monitors refuse to do this completely (Eizo FS2333 for example per Prad's review), or do so with judder. Not nice. I don't know off the top of my head which monitors can handle blu-ray judder free, but maybe you don't care about that at all. There's plenty of good monitor options in the OP. You'd probably want IPS for the viewing angles so you're not restricted when watching movies/TV. Yeah I have a blu-ray player in my PC. Would 1920x1080 vs 1920x1200 make any difference when watching Movies/TV? On February 22 2013 06:57 Myrmidon wrote: Some nominal 60 Hz monitors can run 1080p @ 72 Hz with custom timings over HDMI / DVI, which would avoid judder from 3:@ pulldown of ~24 fps material. Plenty can't go past 66 Hz or something else though. Well, in the very least, I've heard of the Asus VG23AH (semi-glossy eIPS) being able to do that. Semi-glossy IPS might be the best option for movies/TV anyway, unless you watch them really close and would be dealing with the IPS glow from such a close angle. Err, some *VA might have better contrast though. Anyway, VG23AH is cheaper than a 120Hz monitor like a VG248QE. If your old system uses an AMD (well ATI) graphics card, I don't think you can do custom timings without a 3rd-party program like PowerStrip. I know Nvidia and even modern Intel integrated graphics can do custom timings. I have NVidia cards in my system. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On February 22 2013 08:28 Xinder wrote: Yeah I have a blu-ray player in my PC. Would 1920x1080 vs 1920x1200 make any difference when watching Movies/TV? No, you can go with whatever resolution you want. On the PC, video card can handle scaling without issues or stretching/artifacts/any nasty side-effects (so, for example on 1920x1200, it can output 1920x1080 with 60 pixel black bars on the top and bottom). Problems only arise when connecting a source with a different aspect ratio (such an external blu-ray player that outputs 1920x1080) and the monitor doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping (e.g. the U2412M) - that will result in vertical stretching. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On February 22 2013 05:53 Xinder wrote: I have an older rig, going on 3yrs, so i probably wouldn't be utilizing the 120hz. But I do need a new monitor b/c mine is 5+ years old and the power supply is starting to die. Is that monitor good for watching movies and TV shows as well as the games you play? In no way am I an expert on monitors, so I'm sure there are others in here that could answer your questions far better than I. However, I will add some personal input on some of the stuff I researched before buying the monitor. Even if you aren't running 120+ fps in a game, the higher hz still has a smoothing effect on whatever it is you're playing/watching. Apparently some people on tom's hardware used LA Noire, which is locked at 30 fps, to test it, and they said it was still an obvious improvement over normal 60 hz monitors. Many people have reported different results for the out of box settings on this monitor. Some have claimed it sucks, others have said it looks fine. Personally I only needed to tweak the brightness slightly and I've found it to be excellent looking. From what I understand you want to go down the IPS route if your primary usage is movie/tv related, but for gaming I can't recommend 120hz (and specifically this monitor) enough. That said, movies look just fine on this monitor, but I've never used an IPS so maybe I'm just not aware of the quality gap. Also keep in mind Asus is working on a high hz, low ms IPS monitor. I imagine those will become more and more popular in the future. Edit: I used overclock.net as one of my main resources when researching which monitor to buy. There is a ton of great info over there as well as here on TL. | ||
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