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fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
October 07 2011 13:20 GMT
#1
Hi.

I am looking for a small, preferrably tiny claw-grip style mouse. I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa (asian edition) which is perfect except that it only has 1800 dpi which is too slow for me. I'm thinking 3000 dpi or higher would suffice.

Any ideas?
Disc Golf is Awesome! Thought I'd throw that out there =)
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:36:21
October 07 2011 13:28 GMT
#2
Well, I'm a palm user, but I guess the Razer Diamondback or Abyssus might fit for your claw style.
If you want a really small mouse, some pros use the logitech mini-wireless line.
EDIT: You might fancy the Razer Orochi, too.
Shadow of his former self.
Glueburn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States496 Posts
October 07 2011 13:39 GMT
#3
On October 07 2011 22:20 fencer wrote:
Hi.

I am looking for a small, preferrably tiny claw-grip style mouse. I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa (asian edition) which is perfect except that it only has 1800 dpi which is too slow for me. I'm thinking 3000 dpi or higher would suffice.

Any ideas?


I have a Razer abyssus, and it can go up to 3500 DPI
No correction, and it's pretty small, although, maybe not quite as small as the "asian" edition for the Salmosa.

Still basically the same mouse though
Sometimes you have to play a long time to be able to play like yourself. - Miles Davis
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:41:02
October 07 2011 13:40 GMT
#4
On October 07 2011 22:20 fencer wrote:
Hi.

I am looking for a small, preferrably tiny claw-grip style mouse. I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa (asian edition) which is perfect except that it only has 1800 dpi which is too slow for me. I'm thinking 3000 dpi or higher would suffice.

Any ideas?



1800dpi is too slow? Are you using 6/11 with acceleration off?


I have a 45x40cm mousemat, and i play fine at 400dpi. It is considered low, but 1800 feels so fast to me that it is impossible to micro at a decent level, or hit anything accuratly in a very short amount of time


On the subject of what mouse to buy, take a look at the Coolermaster Storm Spawn, it has the best mouse sensor avalible atm and it has a "weird" claw grip shape that i have heard works really well
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:51:25
October 07 2011 13:46 GMT
#5
On October 07 2011 22:20 fencer wrote:
Hi.

I am looking for a small, preferrably tiny claw-grip style mouse. I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa (asian edition) which is perfect except that it only has 1800 dpi which is too slow for me. I'm thinking 3000 dpi or higher would suffice.

Any ideas?

I have both the Abyssus and the Salmosa, and in my opinion Abyssus is the exact same except with 3500 DPI and a more comfortable design and less noisy clicking. Definitely would recommend.

On October 07 2011 22:40 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 22:20 fencer wrote:
Hi.

I am looking for a small, preferrably tiny claw-grip style mouse. I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa (asian edition) which is perfect except that it only has 1800 dpi which is too slow for me. I'm thinking 3000 dpi or higher would suffice.

Any ideas?



1800dpi is too slow? Are you using 6/11 with acceleration off?


I have a 45x40cm mousemat, and i play fine at 400dpi. It is considered low, but 1800 feels so fast to me that it is impossible to micro at a decent level, or hit anything accuratly in a very short amount of time


On the subject of what mouse to buy, take a look at the Coolermaster Storm Spawn, it has the best mouse sensor avalible atm and it has a "weird" claw grip shape that i have heard works really well

1800 DPI too slow for me as well with 6/11 acceleration off and with everything maxed in salmosa drivers.

My mouse moves 0.5 inches when I move my cursor from the left side of the screen to the right side of my 21" 1080p monitor, and yes it's perfectly possible to click rapidly and accurately like this.


Btw if you play at like 300 APM with 450DPI for 5 hours or so a day, say hi to carpal tunnel.
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necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 15:53:29
October 07 2011 13:55 GMT
#6
Yeah, lower DPIs are more for FPS, where you don't need to move your mouse over the screen so much.
It's all about getting used to the higher DPIs. At first you'll notice some loss of accuracy, but in a day or two of playing should enhance your mousing skills.
And you avoid CTS, too.
Shadow of his former self.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
October 08 2011 05:04 GMT
#7
The reason i use 400-800dpi in the first place is to avoid CTS. I play 30-40 hours with only food breaks quite often and 2k+ was giving me massive wrist pain after a while.


Getting used to high DPI doesnt help anything, you still cant click shit.


@400dpi, i can click on my nexus, then mineral patch 1, then nexus, then patch 2, then nexus, then patch 3, through all 8 patches in less than 2-3 seconds


Since switching from 3.2k dpi to 400 for starcraft, i went from lvl 14 to 24 on the marine split challenge custom map and fixed all the wrist issues i had from using mouse.


When i play for a very long time i use 800dpi, but i am much faster and more accurate with 400
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 05:11:04
October 08 2011 05:10 GMT
#8
On October 08 2011 14:04 Cyro wrote:
The reason i use 400-800dpi in the first place is to avoid CTS. I play 30-40 hours with only food breaks quite often and 2k+ was giving me massive wrist pain after a while.


Getting used to high DPI doesnt help anything, you still cant click shit.


@400dpi, i can click on my nexus, then mineral patch 1, then nexus, then patch 2, then nexus, then patch 3, through all 8 patches in less than 2-3 seconds


Since switching from 3.2k dpi to 400 for starcraft, i went from lvl 14 to 24 on the marine split challenge custom map and fixed all the wrist issues i had from using mouse.


When i play for a very long time i use 800dpi, but i am much faster and more accurate with 400


I am curious, why does playing with a lower dpi strain your wrist more? Intuitively it seems that having a smaller range of motion higher dpis should limit wrist injuries, not exacerbate them.
GuMiho <3
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
October 08 2011 05:51 GMT
#9
CM storm spawn is probably the best claw mouse on the market. Has the updated version of the sensor in the deathadder. This means no acceleration (something you wont find in any laser mouse). It's damn cheap too, $35 canadian.
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fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
October 08 2011 16:01 GMT
#10
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, will be looking into them one by one.

And yeah, 1800 dpi on 6/10 is too slow for me even in BW with it's tiny resolution, not to mention other applications.
Disc Golf is Awesome! Thought I'd throw that out there =)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
October 08 2011 16:27 GMT
#11
On October 08 2011 14:10 lariat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 14:04 Cyro wrote:
The reason i use 400-800dpi in the first place is to avoid CTS. I play 30-40 hours with only food breaks quite often and 2k+ was giving me massive wrist pain after a while.


Getting used to high DPI doesnt help anything, you still cant click shit.


@400dpi, i can click on my nexus, then mineral patch 1, then nexus, then patch 2, then nexus, then patch 3, through all 8 patches in less than 2-3 seconds


Since switching from 3.2k dpi to 400 for starcraft, i went from lvl 14 to 24 on the marine split challenge custom map and fixed all the wrist issues i had from using mouse.


When i play for a very long time i use 800dpi, but i am much faster and more accurate with 400


I am curious, why does playing with a lower dpi strain your wrist more? Intuitively it seems that having a smaller range of motion higher dpis should limit wrist injuries, not exacerbate them.



Moving like 0.1 inches back and forth and back and forth a lot builds up a lot of tension in the wrist, playing at far lower sens allows you to throw your hand/arm around a lot and you are moving with your arm as well instead of 100% focus on that 1 wrist area
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
October 08 2011 16:28 GMT
#12
On October 08 2011 14:51 Phayze wrote:
CM storm spawn is probably the best claw mouse on the market. Has the updated version of the sensor in the deathadder. This means no acceleration (something you wont find in any laser mouse). It's damn cheap too, $35 canadian.



Damnit, its £32 here... exchange rates gah
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
October 08 2011 16:36 GMT
#13
Did you check out the razor orochi? I had the exact same needs as you and I find it perfect, very small, great quality and has way more dpi then you'll ever need.
critique
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States135 Posts
October 08 2011 20:11 GMT
#14
Zowie mico. Its a smaller mouse made for claw/finter tip grips. Got mine a few days ago, I love it.
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 20:23:35
October 08 2011 20:21 GMT
#15
I got a Logitech G9x recently. It's small, perhaps not quite as small as the Salmosa, but it's a good smallish claw/fingertip grip mouse. It's very configurable (comes with a choice of two shells, and extra weights, as well as the usual configurable with buttons etc). It feels great to use (though some people with large hands disagree). And, unlike my old Copperhead, the nonstandard buttons (those ones that aren't left/right/middle click) are very hard to accidentally press - that might be a plus if you're coming from a mouse with no fourth or subsequent buttons, like the Samosa. The mouse also feels a lot more solid and less flimsy than my Copperhead (whose left clicker started wearing out after about a year of use). Also, you can set the G9X to absolutely ridiculous DPI settings, if you're crazy enough to want them, which you seem to be.



Cons: Middle mouse button is a tad stuff
Software support for non-Windows users is almost nonexistent
The sensor does exhibit a small amount of unswitchable-offable acceleration, but it's hardly noticeable for most people, unless you're looking for it, which I did. I probably shouldn't have!
It's not cheap.
fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
October 09 2011 15:01 GMT
#16
I'm now choosing between the CM Storm Spawn and the Abyssus, seeing how they're both small and share the same good sensor. Seems like the Abyssus is lighter.
Anyone know of a good reason to pick one over the other?

Aim Here: thanks, but I already own a G9 and it just wasn't for me.
Disc Golf is Awesome! Thought I'd throw that out there =)
Dag0N
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark25 Posts
October 09 2011 17:06 GMT
#17
More like playing marine split challenge made you better. Best for your wrists and best for your micro does not go hand in hand.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 22:56:31
October 09 2011 22:56 GMT
#18
Before I switched from the Orochi to the Xai, I was pretty happy with the former.

It was a tad too small for my big hands though. But if you're looking for a nice, small mouse, it does fine.

Do note that it comes with a short cable. One of the reasons I decided to switch when I bought a new rig (and thus finally retiring my old notebook)
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
jobiasRKD
Profile Joined June 2008
United States38 Posts
October 10 2011 01:52 GMT
#19
Another vote for the CM Storm Spawn here. It needs tweaking out of the box and you'll want to load the proper firmware for your mouse pad (ie. v32 for a black cloth surface etc.) but now that I've got it all configured the way I like it, I prefer it over my g9x and Xai. I have an Abyssus too, but I really like having side buttons so I can use push-to-talk over Mumble or Ventrilo.
Semantic Collision
purpledrank
Profile Joined March 2011
5 Posts
October 10 2011 02:44 GMT
#20
Best mouse I've ever had. And not too bad price wise...
http://www.zowiegear.com/component/content/article/175
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
October 10 2011 03:28 GMT
#21
I have a Razer Imperator. It's not advertised as a claw mouse, but I am a claw style user in-game, and a fingertip user when I'm lazy and/or browsing the web.. It works extremely well for me, and I highly recommend it. There are a lot of mice that work well with different grip styles. The Imperator I have is the first-gen one, and has 5600 dpi max, which is more than most on the market. I would recommend you go to your nearest Best Buy, often times they have an array of mice on display for you to toy around with and see which fits your palm the best! Hope this helped.
fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
October 10 2011 10:45 GMT
#22
On October 10 2011 12:28 Flamingo777 wrote:
I have a Razer Imperator. It's not advertised as a claw mouse, but I am a claw style user in-game, and a fingertip user when I'm lazy and/or browsing the web.. It works extremely well for me, and I highly recommend it. There are a lot of mice that work well with different grip styles. The Imperator I have is the first-gen one, and has 5600 dpi max, which is more than most on the market. I would recommend you go to your nearest Best Buy, often times they have an array of mice on display for you to toy around with and see which fits your palm the best! Hope this helped.

Looks like it has a "4G Dual Sensor System". I wonder if it's even better than the 3,5G sensor in the Deathadder and Abyssus.
Disc Golf is Awesome! Thought I'd throw that out there =)
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
October 10 2011 10:59 GMT
#23
On October 07 2011 22:20 fencer wrote:
Hi.

I am looking for a small, preferrably tiny claw-grip style mouse. I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa (asian edition) which is perfect except that it only has 1800 dpi which is too slow for me. I'm thinking 3000 dpi or higher would suffice.

Any ideas?



The perfect mous for you will be the RAZER ABYSSUS

- small mouse
- very very light
- 450 / 1800 / 3500 dpi
AND
- it's a cheap mouse. I bought it for 25€


I love this mouse so much. I'm a claw grip user too, and I'm so glad I found this one in the store around the corner.
Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
October 10 2011 23:56 GMT
#24
When I buy a piece of hardware I spend a lot of time researching it and I was in a similar situation like you since I use fingertip grip. I went for the CM Spawn instead of Abyssus and here is why:

1) Spawn has a better sensor (one of the best on the market).
2) If you have a dark mousepad you can install the lastest firmware on the Spawn and have an incredibly low lift-off distance.
3) Abyssus is known for it's problems on cloth mousepads as well as having jitter issues. It is said that there is a revised firmware version of the Abyssus but there isn't a way you can know which version is installed in it until you buy it and test it out for yourself. (you cannot change the firmware yourself)
4) Spawn has rubber sides while Abyssus has glossy plastic which can be a bit slippery if your hands sweat.
5) I used Razer Krait for two years and used to get cramps in my hand because it was too narrow so my thumb and pinky used to curl up too much (it didn't help that it had slanted sides - wider at the top, narrower at the bottom). When I compare my hands now my pinky on the right hand is more curled inwards than on the left hand - due to mouse holding. :/ Abyssus is the same as Krait in that perspective and even though some say the Spawn is too wide, I find it really comfortable to hold.
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