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PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:44:13
June 12 2011 20:08 GMT
#1
So I just got a new processor, an i5 upgrade from an i3, and I've been wondering is it neccessary to use Thermal paste?

I've been googling it and alot of people seem to recommend it.

Edit: just noticed I fucked up the title of the thread, could a moderator change it to "Thermal paste" instead of "Thermale paste"
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 12 2011 20:09 GMT
#2
Yes, there should be some on your cooler already. If there isn't you should use some. It's suggested for CPU's in the same way eating and breathing are for humans...
PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:11:59
June 12 2011 20:11 GMT
#3
And I assume I just apply it to the top of the Processor right?
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
June 12 2011 20:13 GMT
#4
Yes. Less than a pea-sized amount. You just want a thin layer covering it. Too much paste will hinder heat transfer.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:16:31
June 12 2011 20:15 GMT
#5
No worries, I just wanted to make sure you understood how "recommended" the stuff is.

It's vital, as opposed to just being a good idea.

Some coolers require slightly more. Are you using the stock cooler? If so, there should already be some. If it's aftermarket, there might be. If there is, either clean it with rubbing alcohol before reapplying, or don't apply more.

If it's direct contact heatpipes, you may need a slightly different technique.
PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
June 12 2011 20:15 GMT
#6
No problem I'm quite clearly shitty with computers, thanks appreciated mate!
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 12 2011 20:17 GMT
#7
On June 13 2011 05:15 PeaNuT_T wrote:
No problem I'm quite clearly shitty with computers, thanks appreciated mate!


You know you don't know, which just means you're uninformed. Shitty is people who think they know, and don't or know exactly one thing and try to apply it to every problem that comes up, like a hammer on a loose bolt.
S.O.U.L
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia149 Posts
June 12 2011 20:21 GMT
#8
lol, ofcourse its neccesary if you wont hav eit youre CPU will be overheating! and you will need to drop it out! so you have 2 choices, waste like $400 on a CPU to burn it down! or pay $405 to keep it alive ^^
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PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
June 12 2011 20:27 GMT
#9
On June 13 2011 05:15 JingleHell wrote:


Some coolers require slightly more. Are you using the stock cooler? If so, there should already be some. If it's aftermarket, there might be. If there is, either clean it with rubbing alcohol before reapplying, or don't apply more.

If it's direct contact heatpipes, you may need a slightly different technique.


Yes, I'm using the stock cooler, can you use acetone to remove it if there is some left over and I feel the need to reaply?
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:28:45
June 12 2011 20:27 GMT
#10
On June 13 2011 05:27 PeaNuT_T wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:15 JingleHell wrote:


Some coolers require slightly more. Are you using the stock cooler? If so, there should already be some. If it's aftermarket, there might be. If there is, either clean it with rubbing alcohol before reapplying, or don't apply more.

If it's direct contact heatpipes, you may need a slightly different technique.


Yes, I'm using the stock cooler, can you use acetone to remove it if there is some left over and I feel the need to reaply?


Use rubbing alcohol and a q tip. Gently. Use one with alcohol, moisten the paste, and then use dry ones to remove the rest.

Then one more with alcohol.
PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
June 12 2011 20:31 GMT
#11
On June 13 2011 05:27 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:27 PeaNuT_T wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:15 JingleHell wrote:


Some coolers require slightly more. Are you using the stock cooler? If so, there should already be some. If it's aftermarket, there might be. If there is, either clean it with rubbing alcohol before reapplying, or don't apply more.

If it's direct contact heatpipes, you may need a slightly different technique.


Yes, I'm using the stock cooler, can you use acetone to remove it if there is some left over and I feel the need to reaply?


Use rubbing alcohol and a q tip. Gently. Use one with alcohol, moisten the paste, and then use dry ones to remove the rest.

Then one more with alcohol.


..Right, and lets say I'm not able to get rubbing alcohol would acetone still do or should I just hunt for rubbing alcohol?
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:32:36
June 12 2011 20:32 GMT
#12
On June 13 2011 05:31 PeaNuT_T wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:27 JingleHell wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:27 PeaNuT_T wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:15 JingleHell wrote:


Some coolers require slightly more. Are you using the stock cooler? If so, there should already be some. If it's aftermarket, there might be. If there is, either clean it with rubbing alcohol before reapplying, or don't apply more.

If it's direct contact heatpipes, you may need a slightly different technique.


Yes, I'm using the stock cooler, can you use acetone to remove it if there is some left over and I feel the need to reaply?


Use rubbing alcohol and a q tip. Gently. Use one with alcohol, moisten the paste, and then use dry ones to remove the rest.

Then one more with alcohol.


..Right, and lets say I'm not able to get rubbing alcohol would acetone still do or should I just hunt for rubbing alcohol?


I've never used acetone, and won't suggest a chemical going near your CPU that I can't tell you for sure is safe. I honestly don't know, and won't endorse it based on my guess that it *should* be ok.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
June 12 2011 20:34 GMT
#13
Application should be a tiny dot in the center or a thin horizontal line

and use Alcohol to remove the existing paste from both the CPU and the heat sink

possible to add a penny or so to add more pressure if you wanted ( better for dissipation )
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Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
June 12 2011 20:40 GMT
#14
tbh you are ok with a slightly damp cloth as long as you are gentle+careful and dont run any power through the cpu until its totally dry
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:41:24
June 12 2011 20:40 GMT
#15
On June 13 2011 05:40 Zrana wrote:
tbh you are ok with a slightly damp cloth as long as you are gentle+careful and dont run any power through the cpu until its totally dry


Don't do this. Components are too expensive to risk this way. It's worth taking the time and spending the few bucks on the rubbing alcohol to just do it right.
ScipioAfricanus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States11 Posts
June 12 2011 20:48 GMT
#16
you need an alcohol that dries fast, acetone will be fine. thats the point of using an alcohol. the higher concentration alcohol vs water the better because that evaporates faster. you do NOT want liquid still on the components.

that being said, applying thermal paste depends on the type of heatsink contact surface you have. most stocks will be a clean flat surface in which case a 'pea-sized' amount (on the cpu) will be fine. if, however, there are copper pipes running through the contact surface, you should put a very thin line of thermal paste along the pipes and then apply the heatsink.

most cpu's have a built in heat concentrating system where the heat is brought to the center of the cpu. applying the pea sized thermal paste to this area is the best option - you do not need to spread it (don't listen to anyone that says you do), just install the heatsink and it will be fine.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
June 12 2011 23:24 GMT
#17
On June 13 2011 05:31 PeaNuT_T wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:27 JingleHell wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:27 PeaNuT_T wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:15 JingleHell wrote:


Some coolers require slightly more. Are you using the stock cooler? If so, there should already be some. If it's aftermarket, there might be. If there is, either clean it with rubbing alcohol before reapplying, or don't apply more.

If it's direct contact heatpipes, you may need a slightly different technique.


Yes, I'm using the stock cooler, can you use acetone to remove it if there is some left over and I feel the need to reaply?


Use rubbing alcohol and a q tip. Gently. Use one with alcohol, moisten the paste, and then use dry ones to remove the rest.

Then one more with alcohol.


..Right, and lets say I'm not able to get rubbing alcohol would acetone still do or should I just hunt for rubbing alcohol?


those alcohols are available at most drug stores. just get the highest % isopropyl alcohol they sell.
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 00:29:19
June 13 2011 00:28 GMT
#18
Some time ago, I didn't have any rubbing alcohol/q tips on hand. Luckily I had a first aid kit in my car with rubbing alcohol pads. That's what I've been using ever since.

And oh, be careful with using certain materials to wipe with. If you use something like a napkin or cloth, a fiber can stick to the paste, creating heat pockets. Obviously, that's not a good thing. I use my Ray Ban sun glass cleaner to wipe off the paste. Cotton balls or q-tips should be fine, but just pay attention.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 13 2011 00:33 GMT
#19
On June 13 2011 09:28 jacosajh wrote:
Some time ago, I didn't have any rubbing alcohol/q tips on hand. Luckily I had a first aid kit in my car with rubbing alcohol pads. That's what I've been using ever since.

And oh, be careful with using certain materials to wipe with. If you use something like a napkin or cloth, a fiber can stick to the paste, creating heat pockets. Obviously, that's not a good thing. I use my Ray Ban sun glass cleaner to wipe off the paste. Cotton balls or q-tips should be fine, but just pay attention.


That's actually a great idea. Probably better than the q-tips. The loose fibers is actually why I suggest just moistening the thermal paste with alcohol from the first one. It breaks it up, and then it just comes off on the others, without leaving any fibers behind.

Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
June 13 2011 00:41 GMT
#20
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.
LiangHao
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 13 2011 00:59 GMT
#21
On June 13 2011 09:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.


No. Don't try to spread it yourself. Putting the CPU cooler on top of a small dot of it will do quite nicely, without pulling any off.

The two flat surfaces squeezing it together, without having to separate does the best job you'll get at home.
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
June 13 2011 01:06 GMT
#22
I did this "operation" recently and it's just scarier than it actually is. Simply take your cpu dice, wipe the old paste off with a residue free cloth (can be find in car shops) and rubbing alcohol, wait 5 min for the alcohol to evaporate, place the cpu back into the socket, drop a pea-sized drop on the center and install the cooler. The sheer pressure of the cooler will distribute the paste where it needs to go.
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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 01:33:41
June 13 2011 01:25 GMT
#23
On June 13 2011 09:59 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 09:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.


No. Don't try to spread it yourself. Putting the CPU cooler on top of a small dot of it will do quite nicely, without pulling any off.

The two flat surfaces squeezing it together, without having to separate does the best job you'll get at home.
You can't guarantee that the layer will become thinly distributed that way. I guess with practice it will be alright, but you would need to do a slight rubbing motion to distribute the paste better.
LiangHao
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 13 2011 01:30 GMT
#24
On June 13 2011 10:25 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 09:59 JingleHell wrote:
On June 13 2011 09:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.


No. Don't try to spread it yourself. Putting the CPU cooler on top of a small dot of it will do quite nicely, without pulling any off.

The two flat surfaces squeezing it together, without having to separate does the best job you'll get at home.
You can't guarantee that the layer will become thinly distributed that way. I guess with practice it will be alright.


If you put your CPU cooler on properly, and don't put too much paste on, it will. If you try to spread it yourself, it's too easy to leave gaps.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
June 13 2011 01:35 GMT
#25
On June 13 2011 10:30 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 10:25 Dracolich70 wrote:
On June 13 2011 09:59 JingleHell wrote:
On June 13 2011 09:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.


No. Don't try to spread it yourself. Putting the CPU cooler on top of a small dot of it will do quite nicely, without pulling any off.

The two flat surfaces squeezing it together, without having to separate does the best job you'll get at home.
You can't guarantee that the layer will become thinly distributed that way. I guess with practice it will be alright.


If you put your CPU cooler on properly, and don't put too much paste on, it will. If you try to spread it yourself, it's too easy to leave gaps.


agreed. the best thing to do is just squirt a pea sized amount, put the heatsink in, and snap/screw it in. pretty much designed in a way that when you push the heatsink into the cpu this way it spreads the best way possible.

if you spread it yourself you cant ensure you put an equal layer. the only way to do that is putting too much which is also not good.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 01:42:09
June 13 2011 01:36 GMT
#26
On June 13 2011 10:30 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 10:25 Dracolich70 wrote:
On June 13 2011 09:59 JingleHell wrote:
On June 13 2011 09:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.


No. Don't try to spread it yourself. Putting the CPU cooler on top of a small dot of it will do quite nicely, without pulling any off.

The two flat surfaces squeezing it together, without having to separate does the best job you'll get at home.
You can't guarantee that the layer will become thinly distributed that way. I guess with practice it will be alright.


If you put your CPU cooler on properly, and don't put too much paste on, it will. If you try to spread it yourself, it's too easy to leave gaps.
Not with a credit card. It's pretty easy, and it does practically the same as you suggest, just with more control. You would "need" to use a slight rubbing motion with the cooler to distribute it using your method, else you risk a too thick a dot.

Edit: Here is your method described:

"Next, squeeze out a dot of thermal paste directly onto the center of your CPU. Your dot should be about the size of a BB (as in, what BB guns shoot), or a little smaller than a pea. Next, take your cooler and press it straight down onto the CPU so that the thermal paste spreads evenly in all directions. If you feel comfortable doing it, you can use a very very slight rubbing motion as you press down on the cooler to help spread the paste better."
LiangHao
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 13 2011 01:45 GMT
#27
Uhm, I never use a rubbing motion, for one. I just tighten down my CPU cooler. Even pressure from tightening down the screws to the same tightness.

A rubbing motion with a credit card, and small bits of the paste will stick to the card, or there will be waves in the top, and you'll end up with little divots. I've tested this. It doesn't leave any kind of even pattern.
Clicker
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
June 13 2011 01:47 GMT
#28
On June 13 2011 09:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Use a credit card to distribute the thermal paste, and as others have said, it is very important that the layer is thin, else it is counterproductive.

Bad idea, just set the heat sink on top of the dot of paste you applied and turn slightly left/right and you're done.
fiskrens
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden196 Posts
June 13 2011 01:48 GMT
#29
On June 13 2011 10:36 Dracolich70 wrote:
Not with a credit card. It's pretty easy, and it does practically the same as you suggest, just with more control. You would "need" to use a slight rubbing motion with the cooler to distribute it using your method, else you risk a too thick a dot.

Why would you need to use a rubbing motion when you have two flat surfaces pushing together causing the paste to spread evenly(since it obeys the laws of physics).

Don't listen to anyone who tells you to spread out the paste with a card or using similar methods unless it's recommended by the thermal paste manufacturer. With pretty much all coolers using the dot/line technique is the best way to do it.
TheRealHH
Profile Joined December 2010
United States106 Posts
June 13 2011 01:52 GMT
#30
I use the dot/line method and let the pressure of the heatsink spread it. You can use a credit card or utility blade if you want tho. Whatever you feel most comfortable with really, as long as it's on there AND in the right spot AND in the right amount AND ends up spread evenly it doesn't really matter how you get it there.
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
June 13 2011 01:52 GMT
#31
The only coolers it's useful to pre-spread some past is with direct contact heatpipes and thats only to scrape it into the valleys created by the pipes, you still need to put 1 or 2 rice size blobs aswell.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:07:54
June 13 2011 02:04 GMT
#32
Just a dot in the center put the heatsink down onto the cpu straight and slowly tighten the screws alternating between them. The cpu itself is small the thing you see is the headspreader so a dot in the center after pressure is applied will cover the important parts just fine without any any gaps if you did it correctly getting the heatsink firmly down on it at roughly 45-55psi is optimal although who the hell can tell how much pressure is down on it.

The dot is smaller then a piece of corn or a pea and a little larger then a grain of rice.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
June 13 2011 07:42 GMT
#33
http://www.arcticsilver.com/methods.html

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
June 13 2011 07:46 GMT
#34
i personally use a microfibre cloth + nail polish (mothers) to clean paste.
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Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
June 13 2011 07:50 GMT
#35
On June 13 2011 16:46 GTR wrote:
i personally use a microfibre cloth + nail polish (mothers) to clean paste.


Sure, sure...


Application is easy; just put a pea-sized drop of the pased in the center of your CPU and put the heatsink in place. As for removal, it seems alcohol or acetone works so it's up to your preference and availability.

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lithium3n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States74 Posts
June 13 2011 08:35 GMT
#36
nail polish/acetone is will remove organics, but it also leaves a organic residue. You should use high concentration alcohol afterwards to remove any residues by acetone. Otherwise, just use alcohol to clean your cpu surface.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 10:06:16
June 13 2011 10:05 GMT
#37
On June 13 2011 16:46 GTR wrote:
i personally use a microfibre cloth + nail polish (mothers) to clean paste.

should be scentless which is harder to do, it's much easier to get 99% rubbing alch it's also not as harsh on the cooler but it will take a ton of rubbing with a microfiber cloth

acetone is quite harsh imo
Hectic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 12:37:53
June 13 2011 12:37 GMT
#38
i bought a arctic cleaning kit (from the same poeple who make arctic silver)

its real nice, theres 2 eye dropper bottles, i think one is alcohol and one is xylene but im not sure. It poilishes it up real nice with 0 effort, all you need is a cloth/ wipe without lint to help wipe if you need to, althoguh the second component pretty much evaporates on its own.

if your gonna be seating your own heatinks you might as well invest in this stuff i rekon, its not like its expensive or anything.

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