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What type of filco should i get?

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Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
June 12 2011 03:22 GMT
#1
So this summer i have a very nice paying job and im looking to expand my gaming setup with building a pc, I already have a beautiful monitor which im getting another one (asus v236h i think) and death adder. now its time to add a nice keyboard seeing as im on a laptop now.

After much researching, i have come to the conclusion that filco is the way to go but i am not quite sure what to get. I like on the quieter side of keyboards but im not sure which one that exactly would be.

Really would like some feedback seeing as i know you guys are knowledgeable!
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Elevenst
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada249 Posts
June 12 2011 03:31 GMT
#2
black or brown switches blues are quite poor i know it's been circulated a lot but this really helped me come to a decision on my mechanical keyboard and i'm very very satisfied with it ^^
http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html
hope it helps
Quanbsn
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Vietnam18 Posts
June 12 2011 03:33 GMT
#3
Just choose what type of switch you want, linear is black switch, tactile is brown and click is blue. I think you should try out the new version ninja, it looks really really decent.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 03:35:13
June 12 2011 03:34 GMT
#4
Yeah Elevenst got to the link before I did, pretty much not much to explain, everything is in there.

Black is more designed for gaming, but you will not FEEL much of a difference between that and a regular one. I would have gotten the brown, you get the feeling of a mechanical switch while not having a clacky sound (that is if you do not like it).

It is preference to be honest, if you want a sound you would get the blue. I used a Brown and White Alps switches, they are all pretty decent. To appreciate the keyboard, I would probably get keys with a tactile feeling, the rest comes down to whether you want a clicky (and loud) sound or not.

http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html#post6009482
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Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
June 12 2011 03:42 GMT
#5
Blacks arent 'designed' for gaming, they are more oriented towards games in which you have to hold a key press for an extended period of time, this is because it's linear. This actually makes it quite poor for rts games, which require rapid presses of keys. Blacks require you to nearly bottom out the key for it to actuate, while blues and browns are actuated half way, giving you the ability to touch type. Overall blacks require the most force and put the most strain on your hands. Browns and blues are overall the more popular choice for SC2, blues are loud and have an audible click, and browns are more subtle (but any mech keyboard makes noise when you press keys).
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sawedust
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
June 12 2011 03:51 GMT
#6
DAFS, seriously. Tons of threads posted on this subject.

To answer your question, get a brown or blue switched keyboard. Best keyboard for gaming and typing.

If you want a gaming-only keyboard, look for a red switched board.

Filco and Leopold are top dogs when it comes to cherry mechanical keyboards. You can't go wrong with any of their options.

Razer BlackWidow is the best choice as a decent blue switched option if you don't mind the layout.
Maelstrom.cobhc
Profile Joined April 2010
United States126 Posts
June 12 2011 03:56 GMT
#7
On June 12 2011 12:42 Phayze wrote:
Blacks arent 'designed' for gaming, they are more oriented towards games in which you have to hold a key press for an extended period of time, this is because it's linear. This actually makes it quite poor for rts games, which require rapid presses of keys. Blacks require you to nearly bottom out the key for it to actuate, while blues and browns are actuated half way, giving you the ability to touch type. Overall blacks require the most force and put the most strain on your hands. Browns and blues are overall the more popular choice for SC2, blues are loud and have an audible click, and browns are more subtle (but any mech keyboard makes noise when you press keys).

Blacks also actuate half way. Please make sure you know the facts before telling it to someone else.
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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
June 12 2011 04:01 GMT
#8
On June 12 2011 12:56 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:
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On June 12 2011 12:42 Phayze wrote:
Blacks arent 'designed' for gaming, they are more oriented towards games in which you have to hold a key press for an extended period of time, this is because it's linear. This actually makes it quite poor for rts games, which require rapid presses of keys. Blacks require you to nearly bottom out the key for it to actuate, while blues and browns are actuated half way, giving you the ability to touch type. Overall blacks require the most force and put the most strain on your hands. Browns and blues are overall the more popular choice for SC2, blues are loud and have an audible click, and browns are more subtle (but any mech keyboard makes noise when you press keys).

Blacks also actuate half way. Please make sure you know the facts before telling it to someone else.


Yep, blacks, blues, and browns actuate halfway as do reds and clear. This thread has a ton of great info the switch types.
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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
June 12 2011 05:39 GMT
#9
Blues. Why get a mechanical keyboard if it can't sound mechanical? Same thing as browns, except you get to have audible feedback too. I'd never switch from my blues. They are perfect.
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
June 12 2011 05:41 GMT
#10
If you can, try them all out before you buy.

Switches and how good they are are relatively subjective.

For me, browns.
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LaiShin
Profile Joined November 2005
Australia978 Posts
June 12 2011 06:26 GMT
#11
On June 12 2011 12:33 Quanbsn wrote:
Just choose what type of switch you want, linear is black switch, tactile is brown and click is blue. I think you should try out the new version ninja, it looks really really decent.


Yea, should definitely go for the ninjas. I regretted not waiting for them.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
June 12 2011 06:47 GMT
#12
Anybody actually notice an improvement in APM or play from their upgrade to mechanical from rubber dome? I have a saitek eclipse 2 which has very soft keys and basically is meant for gaming but it's kind of old now and considering to go mechanical. I'm questioning though whether or not it's even worth the extra money...

Some testimonials on how mechanical keyboards helped any players plz?
Slayth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
June 12 2011 06:51 GMT
#13
I'm loving my cherry mx blue TBH. It all depends on the person and the feel you like. Sadly, without trying out different keyboards, you won't know which switch is best for you.

Personally, blue is my best. I like the feel of blue better with the games I play, but Cherry MX Browns are known as one of the best for gaming since most gamers ALWAYS bottom out during the heat of the moment.

Your best best: Find a place or find people who own different switches. Try each switch out.

Obviously thats a long shot. From everything I read or heard before I bought my keyboard, Blue is the best place to start, but, as I said, most gamers prefer the browns.

All in all, try the browns (yes, I know I just made my whole post useless).
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G_Wen
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 06:56:18
June 12 2011 06:52 GMT
#14
On June 12 2011 15:47 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Anybody actually notice an improvement in APM or play from their upgrade to mechanical from rubber dome? I have a saitek eclipse 2 which has very soft keys and basically is meant for gaming but it's kind of old now and considering to go mechanical. I'm questioning though whether or not it's even worth the extra money...

Some testimonials on how mechanical keyboards helped any players plz?

I have felt an APM increase since I got my Filco (about a week ago). In tetris I started setting new records after about 3 days. I definitely feels better to play tetris.

For stepmania I took a huge hit in timing when i switched but after a day I started to get back to the same level that I was before. Now I'm getting better scores than before.

I don't notice a difference when i'm playing starcraft but I feels pretty good when I type. I have a Filco Brown btw.

On June 12 2011 14:39 gulati wrote:
Blues. Why get a mechanical keyboard if it can't sound mechanical? Same thing as browns, except you get to have audible feedback too. I'd never switch from my blues. They are perfect.


Two reasons. One of which I've outlined in this post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158928&currentpage=2#23
(The blues aren't perfect since their actuation point and reset point are skewed.)

The second of which is that there is a clear audible feedback from using the browns if you bottom out. You make it sound as if the browns are compeltely silent. The browns are light enough that you'll be bottoming out 100% of the time when playing starcraft. Trust me have a brown and it still makes noise and feels good.
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LaiShin
Profile Joined November 2005
Australia978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 07:30:16
June 12 2011 07:29 GMT
#15
On June 12 2011 15:47 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Anybody actually notice an improvement in APM or play from their upgrade to mechanical from rubber dome? I have a saitek eclipse 2 which has very soft keys and basically is meant for gaming but it's kind of old now and considering to go mechanical. I'm questioning though whether or not it's even worth the extra money...

Some testimonials on how mechanical keyboards helped any players plz?


Mine was a decrease. I noticed myself not spamming as much, which is both good and bad. My keyboard movement is slower than before and it's much more tiring for long games. I even felt that I'm compensating my slower keyboard movement with my mouse movement.

My main issue is probably the long travel distance of the keys to bottom out and I was a user of flat keyboards. I've put in some conscious effort into not bottoming out. But in the heat of the games, it just wouldn't work. Sometimes, a 20 min game felt like a 30 min game. Still working on this after 2 months.

What I like about it:
-typing on it felt really good
-love it for fps games
-build quality is second to none

It's a trade-off that most people have to deal with.

For reference, I'm using a majestouch 1 brown.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
June 12 2011 07:40 GMT
#16
On June 12 2011 15:47 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Anybody actually notice an improvement in APM or play from their upgrade to mechanical from rubber dome? I have a saitek eclipse 2 which has very soft keys and basically is meant for gaming but it's kind of old now and considering to go mechanical. I'm questioning though whether or not it's even worth the extra money...

Some testimonials on how mechanical keyboards helped any players plz?

I've heard people say they type faster since all the keys are more responsive. But actual game-play I'm not so sure.

I believe most people think you can get up to 10 WPM increase in typing. I think I've gone from a 90 WPM to 110, but that's a rather unscientific sample of one for me.
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Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
June 12 2011 07:43 GMT
#17
On June 12 2011 15:47 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Anybody actually notice an improvement in APM or play from their upgrade to mechanical from rubber dome? I have a saitek eclipse 2 which has very soft keys and basically is meant for gaming but it's kind of old now and considering to go mechanical. I'm questioning though whether or not it's even worth the extra money...

Some testimonials on how mechanical keyboards helped any players plz?


I upgraded from a rubber dome to a Leopold FC200RT with Cherry Browns.

Specifically in terms of game play, the biggest improvement for me was 1a2a3a'ing. With a rubber dome, often times, one of the a's wouldn't register due to the speed at which I pressed the buttons. However, that hasn't been the issue with a Mechanical keyboard (for obvious reasons).

Other than that, it's just much more pleasant to type and play on. My fingertips are most pleased.

If you have the money to spend on the upgrade, I would do it - assuming the durability and build quality of mechanicals is as advertised (mine is not old enough for me to make a judgement regarding that).
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Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
June 12 2011 08:43 GMT
#18
People have different preferences. Just go to a keyboard store and ask to be able to try out the keyboards before purchasing.

There is no point purchasing a keyboard that everyone else loves and you don't. It's your keyboard, duh.
pshych0
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
274 Posts
June 12 2011 08:51 GMT
#19
Filco Red Cherry Limited Edition Gen2

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I'm not sure how you can get it in the US.
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skp
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada134 Posts
June 12 2011 08:53 GMT
#20
I have a keyboard with cherry browns and another with blacks. For RTS and general typing, go with brown or blues. Since you like quieter keyboards, go for browns.

I know a lot of people use cherry blacks for SC2, and I sometimes use them too when I'm too lazy to swap keyboards. Nothing wrong with it, but browns feel much better.

If you can, see if you can try them out somehow in stores. Although I doubt stores will carry Filcos or Leopolds.
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