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Grats Toast on your Tech Blue-ness!
On December 29 2012 05:42 Morton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 18:41 Azoryen wrote:I recently got a CM Storm Xornet and I'm terribly disappointed by the poor precision. I believe something is wrong, because the precision is actually worse than the $8 logitech mouse I had before: ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21DUIRl4yuL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) I can't click anything accurately on the minimap in SC2. I made a little test I like to do, which is drawing a few lines in paint. Here's how the 2 mouses compare: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RJTgy.png) The CM is 500/1000/2000dpi and I set it to 1000dpi in this comparison, since the logitech is 800dpi fixed. It could be drivers, but the mouse didn't come with any software and I couldn't find anything in CM's site. Here: http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/peripherals/Xornet/&tab=supportI checked firmware and it's the latest version. Any suggestions? Do you think it might be defective? that logitech appears to have angle snapping (in the paint test you did). The CM xornet does not have any prediction and is completely raw input. so, most likely, you are used to using a mouse with angle snapping, and when you try to click a small area without it enabled you are unable to click accurately (not saying that's a bad thing, just what is happening). If you really like the feel of the xornet (i am in love with it myself) the CM storm Spawn is the exact same mouse except it costs $10 more and has a better sensor with drivers that allows you to toggle angle snapping on and off.
Now on to this post... if we're looking at those pictures, the Xornet is the one that looks like it has a very low amount of Angle Snapping (remembering that angle snapping means straight lines, not diagonal), not the Logitech one. Also, you didn't ask what mousepad he's using (nor did he provide), that could be important.
Finally...could we all please stop using the brush tool in paint, it's not as precise as the pencil tool in displaying tracking problems....For example, here's some toast, which one tells your more about my mouse?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BjbCz.png)
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Just got my matte-finished G1. I loved my glossy G1 but this is just so much more pleasant to use. The matte finish is so much nicer, my fingers don't stick to the buttons when my hands get warm, which was my main issue with my old G1. The scroll wheel is a bit louder on this one but it also feels more precise (though that could be because of the amount I used my old G1). My old G1 has been relegated to laptop setup duty (I have a second monitor, mouse, and keyboard setup on the other part of my desk for when I do homework, since I do all my programming on my laptop).
However, if the matte finished G1 wasn't available I would still use my old one and probably order more of them. The G1 is literally the perfect mouse for me.
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On December 29 2012 06:23 wo1fwood wrote:Grats Toast on your Tech Blue-ness! Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 05:42 Morton wrote:On December 26 2012 18:41 Azoryen wrote:I recently got a CM Storm Xornet and I'm terribly disappointed by the poor precision. I believe something is wrong, because the precision is actually worse than the $8 logitech mouse I had before: I can't click anything accurately on the minimap in SC2. I made a little test I like to do, which is drawing a few lines in paint. Here's how the 2 mouses compare: The CM is 500/1000/2000dpi and I set it to 1000dpi in this comparison, since the logitech is 800dpi fixed. It could be drivers, but the mouse didn't come with any software and I couldn't find anything in CM's site. Here: http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/peripherals/Xornet/&tab=supportI checked firmware and it's the latest version. Any suggestions? Do you think it might be defective? that logitech appears to have angle snapping (in the paint test you did). The CM xornet does not have any prediction and is completely raw input. so, most likely, you are used to using a mouse with angle snapping, and when you try to click a small area without it enabled you are unable to click accurately (not saying that's a bad thing, just what is happening). If you really like the feel of the xornet (i am in love with it myself) the CM storm Spawn is the exact same mouse except it costs $10 more and has a better sensor with drivers that allows you to toggle angle snapping on and off. Now on to this post... if we're looking at those pictures, the Xornet is the one that looks like it has a very low amount of Angle Snapping (remembering that angle snapping means straight lines, not diagonal), not the Logitech one. Also, you didn't ask what mousepad he's using (nor did he provide), that could be important. Finally...could we all please stop using the brush tool in paint, it's not as precise as the pencil tool in displaying tracking problems....For example, here's some toast, which one tells your more about my mouse?
after reading more into the matter (notably the firmware pack notes) I realize the CM xornet DOES have some angle snapping (even on the v72 "reduced angle snapping"). When I was looking to purchase the mouse myself I came across people saying it had no angle snapping. Personally though the angle snapping is minor enough to where I don't notice it in game.
However the Logitech mouse is definitely not raw input and has some sort of prediction. unless Azoryen is somehow able to draw perfect lines at slight angles into an arc.
![[image loading]](http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6193/testhgt.png)
i boxed each point where the line abruptly changes direction, everywhere else the line is perfectly straight.
I agree about the pencil tool, it is a lot harder the notice changes in the line with the anti-aliasing from the brush.
lastly, your toast has some angle snapping I believe 
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On December 29 2012 07:43 Morton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 06:23 wo1fwood wrote:Grats Toast on your Tech Blue-ness! On December 29 2012 05:42 Morton wrote:On December 26 2012 18:41 Azoryen wrote:I recently got a CM Storm Xornet and I'm terribly disappointed by the poor precision. I believe something is wrong, because the precision is actually worse than the $8 logitech mouse I had before: I can't click anything accurately on the minimap in SC2. I made a little test I like to do, which is drawing a few lines in paint. Here's how the 2 mouses compare: The CM is 500/1000/2000dpi and I set it to 1000dpi in this comparison, since the logitech is 800dpi fixed. It could be drivers, but the mouse didn't come with any software and I couldn't find anything in CM's site. Here: http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/peripherals/Xornet/&tab=supportI checked firmware and it's the latest version. Any suggestions? Do you think it might be defective? that logitech appears to have angle snapping (in the paint test you did). The CM xornet does not have any prediction and is completely raw input. so, most likely, you are used to using a mouse with angle snapping, and when you try to click a small area without it enabled you are unable to click accurately (not saying that's a bad thing, just what is happening). If you really like the feel of the xornet (i am in love with it myself) the CM storm Spawn is the exact same mouse except it costs $10 more and has a better sensor with drivers that allows you to toggle angle snapping on and off. Now on to this post... if we're looking at those pictures, the Xornet is the one that looks like it has a very low amount of Angle Snapping (remembering that angle snapping means straight lines, not diagonal), not the Logitech one. Also, you didn't ask what mousepad he's using (nor did he provide), that could be important. Finally...could we all please stop using the brush tool in paint, it's not as precise as the pencil tool in displaying tracking problems....For example, here's some toast, which one tells your more about my mouse? after reading more into the matter (notably the firmware pack notes) I realize the CM xornet DOES have some angle snapping (even on the v72 "reduced angle snapping"). When I was looking to purchase the mouse myself I came across people saying it had no angle snapping. Personally though the angle snapping is minor enough to where I don't notice it in game. However the Logitech mouse is definitely not raw input and has some sort of prediction. unless Azoryen is somehow able to draw perfect lines at slight angles into an arc. + Show Spoiler +i boxed each point where the line abruptly changes direction, everywhere else the line is perfectly straight. I agree about the pencil tool, it is a lot harder the notice changes in the line with the anti-aliasing from the brush. lastly, your toast has some angle snapping I believe why yes it does. It even has some ripple there, but do you see that in the piece of brush toast? ;D
Anywho, idk what's exactly going on his end of things, but it is definitely odd that his mouse looks to be drawing graded angles with relative ease. A more detailed drawing might reveal more pertinent info, but right now, idk...
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so i got myself a logitech g400 and was wondering about the sensitivity/dpi settings.
In a thread(cant find the link) it was recommended to use 51-54% sensitivity for sc2 and adjust the dpi accordingly. Now i heard that te g400 has 2 native dpi settings at 800 and 3600 and people didnt recommend using anything between that but i dont quite know why. So should i set my dpi to a "native" dpi and adjust my sensitivity or leave the sensitivity at ~50% and instead increase my dpi for more speed?
I heard something about worse tracking speed with all dpi except the native ones but i dont know what that means or if its noticeable.
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On December 29 2012 07:43 Morton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 06:23 wo1fwood wrote:Grats Toast on your Tech Blue-ness! On December 29 2012 05:42 Morton wrote:On December 26 2012 18:41 Azoryen wrote:I recently got a CM Storm Xornet and I'm terribly disappointed by the poor precision. I believe something is wrong, because the precision is actually worse than the $8 logitech mouse I had before: I can't click anything accurately on the minimap in SC2. I made a little test I like to do, which is drawing a few lines in paint. Here's how the 2 mouses compare: The CM is 500/1000/2000dpi and I set it to 1000dpi in this comparison, since the logitech is 800dpi fixed. It could be drivers, but the mouse didn't come with any software and I couldn't find anything in CM's site. Here: http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/peripherals/Xornet/&tab=supportI checked firmware and it's the latest version. Any suggestions? Do you think it might be defective? that logitech appears to have angle snapping (in the paint test you did). The CM xornet does not have any prediction and is completely raw input. so, most likely, you are used to using a mouse with angle snapping, and when you try to click a small area without it enabled you are unable to click accurately (not saying that's a bad thing, just what is happening). If you really like the feel of the xornet (i am in love with it myself) the CM storm Spawn is the exact same mouse except it costs $10 more and has a better sensor with drivers that allows you to toggle angle snapping on and off. Now on to this post... if we're looking at those pictures, the Xornet is the one that looks like it has a very low amount of Angle Snapping (remembering that angle snapping means straight lines, not diagonal), not the Logitech one. Also, you didn't ask what mousepad he's using (nor did he provide), that could be important. Finally...could we all please stop using the brush tool in paint, it's not as precise as the pencil tool in displaying tracking problems....For example, here's some toast, which one tells your more about my mouse? after reading more into the matter (notably the firmware pack notes) I realize the CM xornet DOES have some angle snapping (even on the v72 "reduced angle snapping"). When I was looking to purchase the mouse myself I came across people saying it had no angle snapping. Personally though the angle snapping is minor enough to where I don't notice it in game. However the Logitech mouse is definitely not raw input and has some sort of prediction. unless Azoryen is somehow able to draw perfect lines at slight angles into an arc. i boxed each point where the line abruptly changes direction, everywhere else the line is perfectly straight. I agree about the pencil tool, it is a lot harder the notice changes in the line with the anti-aliasing from the brush. lastly, your toast has some angle snapping I believe
I updated firmware to v75. The notes in the readme.txt say:
F/w Version Breakdown:
V70 original release Firmware
V71 reduced angle snapping
V72 reduced angle snapping - recommended
V73 reduced LOD
V75 reduced LOD - recommended
I'm assuming V75 is both reduced angle snapping & reduced LOD.
Also, this is the mousepad I'm using, since someone asked.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B000UEZ37G/
I basically just want to understand if it's worth getting better mouse / mousepad, because right now it's completely impossible to me to click the minimap with any decent precision at an acceptable speed, to a degree that it can't only be atributted to my hand's lack of precision.
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On December 31 2012 05:47 Azoryen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:43 Morton wrote:On December 29 2012 06:23 wo1fwood wrote:Grats Toast on your Tech Blue-ness! On December 29 2012 05:42 Morton wrote:On December 26 2012 18:41 Azoryen wrote:I recently got a CM Storm Xornet and I'm terribly disappointed by the poor precision. I believe something is wrong, because the precision is actually worse than the $8 logitech mouse I had before: I can't click anything accurately on the minimap in SC2. I made a little test I like to do, which is drawing a few lines in paint. Here's how the 2 mouses compare: The CM is 500/1000/2000dpi and I set it to 1000dpi in this comparison, since the logitech is 800dpi fixed. It could be drivers, but the mouse didn't come with any software and I couldn't find anything in CM's site. Here: http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/peripherals/Xornet/&tab=supportI checked firmware and it's the latest version. Any suggestions? Do you think it might be defective? that logitech appears to have angle snapping (in the paint test you did). The CM xornet does not have any prediction and is completely raw input. so, most likely, you are used to using a mouse with angle snapping, and when you try to click a small area without it enabled you are unable to click accurately (not saying that's a bad thing, just what is happening). If you really like the feel of the xornet (i am in love with it myself) the CM storm Spawn is the exact same mouse except it costs $10 more and has a better sensor with drivers that allows you to toggle angle snapping on and off. Now on to this post... if we're looking at those pictures, the Xornet is the one that looks like it has a very low amount of Angle Snapping (remembering that angle snapping means straight lines, not diagonal), not the Logitech one. Also, you didn't ask what mousepad he's using (nor did he provide), that could be important. Finally...could we all please stop using the brush tool in paint, it's not as precise as the pencil tool in displaying tracking problems....For example, here's some toast, which one tells your more about my mouse? after reading more into the matter (notably the firmware pack notes) I realize the CM xornet DOES have some angle snapping (even on the v72 "reduced angle snapping"). When I was looking to purchase the mouse myself I came across people saying it had no angle snapping. Personally though the angle snapping is minor enough to where I don't notice it in game. However the Logitech mouse is definitely not raw input and has some sort of prediction. unless Azoryen is somehow able to draw perfect lines at slight angles into an arc. i boxed each point where the line abruptly changes direction, everywhere else the line is perfectly straight. I agree about the pencil tool, it is a lot harder the notice changes in the line with the anti-aliasing from the brush. lastly, your toast has some angle snapping I believe I updated firmware to v75. The notes in the readme.txt say: F/w Version Breakdown: V70 original release Firmware V71 reduced angle snapping V72 reduced angle snapping - recommended V73 reduced LOD V75 reduced LOD - recommended I'm assuming V75 is both reduced angle snapping & reduced LOD. Also, this is the mousepad I'm using, since someone asked. http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B000UEZ37G/I basically just want to understand if it's worth getting better mouse / mousepad, because right now it's completely impossible to me to click the minimap with any decent precision at an acceptable speed, to a degree that it can't only be atributted to my hand's lack of precision.
Ok I did a bit of testing with the mouse and here is what I found (also on a black cloth mousepad, but yours is nicer )
On all versions except for v70, the mouse wigs out at a certain speed, you can test it by moving the mouse back very rapidly left and right. The mouse starts to not read properly and rather than the cursor going back and forth to each side of the screen, it starts wiggling back and forth by about two inches, and maintains the pattern while drifting back and forth. This occurred for me no matter what surface i used (wood, fabric, smooth plastic).
I really noticed this when I was quickly trying to click the minimap and sometimes the mouse would just not go anywhere near where it was supposed to. I also noticed it playing dota and attempting to scroll the screen with the mouse. Sometimes it simply wouldn't move the screen and led to a very frustrating feeling the entire game (the mouse doesn't read, so i would swing it around faster, so it would read even less accurately).
I would highly suggest going back to V70 as I could not tell a difference in the angle snapping or LOD from one version to another.
I still think there is something odd with that logitech, because those lines look like they were done with the line tool in Photoshop or something. That may be part of the issue, but I don't know for sure.
If you still have trouble with v70, you may need to try a different mouse, but I honestly have no for sure good suggestions because I have used cheap mice up until I bought my xornet.
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I just got the Steelseries Kinzu v2 Pro and immediately noticed a serious problem: the mouse is skipping every other pixel. This means you can only ever reach even (or uneven) pixel coordinates on the screen. I'm wondering if I just got a broken mouse or this is a common problem.
You can easily test this with this "KeyTest" Software:
http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?3823-Test-your-mouse-polling-rate-and-DPI
Click on "Mouse Move" and look at the "Relative Hardware XY Change". Usually the smallest possible change should be 1/-1. But for the Kinzu v2, its 2/-2, making it skip every other pixel:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/W5p2K.png)
This is with 3200dpi and the newest drivers and firmware. At lower DPI this does not happen. However then the mouse is too slow for my taste.
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Allright TL I need some help with a new mousepad. The one I'm currently using is so old that I can't even find good links for it ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revoltec-Lightpad-Precision-Green-Edition/dp/B000BLF6Q6 ).
I'm currently happily using a CM Storm Inferno (Laser) Mouse and I'm going to add mouseskatez. I want a rather small pad (my current one is ~20cmx25cm and I don't need a bigger one) and I love as little friction as possible. I also hate cold surfaces so metal/glass is out of the question and I guess it comes down to hard plastic. I don't need anything superflat, my guess would be that my current one has ~6-7mm height and I'm perfectly comfortable with that.
Any suggestions? Purchasable from amazon.de (usually has the same stock as .uk) preferred.
Random question about mouseskatez: I remember that there are two basic kinds, one which are almost paperthin (and don't work for that long) and the other which is a bit thicker and seems to work for ages. Which one is which and how to tell the difference? Are these ones the latter? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skatez-CM-Storm-Inferno-CS28060/dp/B0086T3ZZY
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Since someone commented about using pencil instead of brush for the paint test I did, here's a new comparison:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZSxls.jpg)
About the logitech being 'too perfect', I should mention that I do these lines as fast as I can, since I believe this reduces hand movement errors and leaves it all to the mouse definition. So I actually find the logitech behavior quite normal and the Xornet surprisingly bad.
However, I'd love if someone could send me their results doing this test with really good mice, just to compare: just draw any curve in paint as fast as you can with the pencil tool.
@Morton:
Thanks for your testing.
I tried all firmware version and I also find V70 to be a bit better. Unfortunately, not good enough.
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On December 31 2012 19:32 Demokritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I just got the Steelseries Kinzu v2 Pro and immediately noticed a serious problem: the mouse is skipping every other pixel. This means you can only ever reach even (or uneven) pixel coordinates on the screen. I'm wondering if I just got a broken mouse or this is a common problem. You can easily test this with this "KeyTest" Software: http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?3823-Test-your-mouse-polling-rate-and-DPIClick on "Mouse Move" and look at the "Relative Hardware XY Change". Usually the smallest possible change should be 1/-1. But for the Kinzu v2, its 2/-2, making it skip every other pixel: This is with 3200dpi and the newest drivers and firmware. At lower DPI this does not happen. However then the mouse is too slow for my taste. This software is showing the reported Δx/Δy changes, and has nothing to do with the precision of the mouse, but how the transfer packets are being reported. Check to see if your windows pointer speed is at 1/11, 2/11, 3/11, 4/11, or 6/11. If you are on any of these settings you are not skipping pixels. Interesting software though, it supposedly can check for jitter issues.
On January 02 2013 03:22 Azoryen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Since someone commented about using pencil instead of brush for the paint test I did, here's a new comparison: About the logitech being 'too perfect', I should mention that I do these lines as fast as I can, since I believe this reduces hand movement errors and leaves it all to the mouse definition. So I actually find the logitech behavior quite normal and the Xornet surprisingly bad. However, I'd love if someone could send me their results doing this test with really good mice, just to compare: just draw any curve in paint as fast as you can with the pencil tool. @Morton: Thanks for your testing. I tried all firmware version and I also find V70 to be a bit better. Unfortunately, not good enough. ty, that image is much more helpful. I'm assuming that is still at 1000 CPI, yes? The logitech looks to have a very small amount of angle snapping but seems smooth otherwise. The Xornet definitely has more angle snapping, and definitely looks like it has some ripple. It could be that the Xornet/qck combo isn't optimal, but also remember that errors like this will sometimes pop up more frequently in firmwares where the LOD has been lowered (the Zowie AM comes to mind).
For future reference, you should give us more info with the paint tests. what you have is sufficient, but barely. Something like the tests done here are far more conclusive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312305
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On January 02 2013 04:00 wo1fwood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 19:32 Demokritos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I just got the Steelseries Kinzu v2 Pro and immediately noticed a serious problem: the mouse is skipping every other pixel. This means you can only ever reach even (or uneven) pixel coordinates on the screen. I'm wondering if I just got a broken mouse or this is a common problem. You can easily test this with this "KeyTest" Software: http://www.passmark.com/forum/showthread.php?3823-Test-your-mouse-polling-rate-and-DPIClick on "Mouse Move" and look at the "Relative Hardware XY Change". Usually the smallest possible change should be 1/-1. But for the Kinzu v2, its 2/-2, making it skip every other pixel: This is with 3200dpi and the newest drivers and firmware. At lower DPI this does not happen. However then the mouse is too slow for my taste. This software is showing the reported Δx/Δy changes, and has nothing to do with the precision of the mouse, but how the transfer packets are being reported. Check to see if your windows pointer speed is at 1/11, 2/11, 3/11, 4/11, or 6/11. If you are on any of these settings you are not skipping pixels. Interesting software though, it supposedly can check for jitter issues. Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 03:22 Azoryen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Since someone commented about using pencil instead of brush for the paint test I did, here's a new comparison: About the logitech being 'too perfect', I should mention that I do these lines as fast as I can, since I believe this reduces hand movement errors and leaves it all to the mouse definition. So I actually find the logitech behavior quite normal and the Xornet surprisingly bad. However, I'd love if someone could send me their results doing this test with really good mice, just to compare: just draw any curve in paint as fast as you can with the pencil tool. @Morton: Thanks for your testing. I tried all firmware version and I also find V70 to be a bit better. Unfortunately, not good enough. ty, that image is much more helpful. I'm assuming that is still at 1000 CPI, yes? The logitech looks to have a very small amount of angle snapping but seems smooth otherwise. The Xornet definitely has more angle snapping, and definitely looks like it has some ripple. It could be that the Xornet/qck combo isn't optimal, but also remember that errors like this will sometimes pop up more frequently in firmwares where the LOD has been lowered (the Zowie AM comes to mind). For future reference, you should give us more info with the paint tests. what you have is sufficient, but barely. Something like the tests done here are far more conclusive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312305
Thx for the answer.
Yes, it's both mice at 1000 dpi.
However, it seems to me that the xornet moves slower at this dpi than the logitech. Does this make sense?
Actually, my intention was to use the xornet at 2000 dpi, because I move my hand too much to get to the minimap, but at 2000 dpi I can't be certain to hit the entire minimap as a target, moving from the center of the screen, let alone hit it in a particular spot...
I guess I'll just return the xornet and get something better.
I welcome suggestions from anyone really happy with their minimap clicking precision, since this is my biggest issue playing SC2, it's really slowing me down...
I don't care much about grip styles since I'm equally comfortable with a tiny laptop mouse or a big one.
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On January 02 2013 04:00 wo1fwood wrote:
This software is showing the reported Δx/Δy changes, and has nothing to do with the precision of the mouse, but how the transfer packets are being reported.
That's just it, the reported XY changes are always even at 3200cpi. I suspect the hardware is just taking the numbers from 1600cpi and multiplying them by two. This means even at 6/11 in Windows (which is what I am always using) the cursor is skipping every other pixel. A reported change of 2 in any direction by the hardware is interpreted as a 2 pixel change on the screen, and that is the smallest possible change with this mouse at 3200cpi.
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Hey guys, anyone owns a Razer Deathadder 4G (2013 version)?
Are they better than the Deathadder 3.5G and the Black Edition?
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What do you guys think of the Logitech G5 as a mouse? I've been using it for a long time and always loved it (playing mainly FPS games and other things not as precise as SC2) however the more I play SC2 the more I feel like the mouse jitters a lot even at 6/11 and sc2 using the windows mouse sensitivity. Just curious as to peoples thoughts on this mouse if they've ever used it, and if it's any good or worth looking into replacing when I have money.
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A bought a deathadder 2013(Great mouse btw, love the surface and grip on it and its a bit lighter than the other DA's, if your into that sort of thing) and I'm trying to set up my mouse settings with synapse and had a question about the settings in the drivers. I've always been a mouse acceleration user(Windows accel., never driver accel.) but there's no option to tell the drivers to not mess with acceleration at all. So does anyone know the setting I would have to put it to to best replicate windows accel.?
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I'm looking for a mouse. My ideal mouse would be a lighter/less bulky Deathadder BE. Any ideas?
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So I have a $60 gift card for Best Buy from Christmas and I want to get a new mouse. I use palm grip and I'm not a 'hardcore' gamer. I basically play WoW, SC2 (hardly anymore) and a few other nontwitch games.
I'm thinking between deathadder or G400 or go with G300 and getting a nice mousepad.
What are your opinions? I've used a $10 mouse for about 5 years now so anything would be an upgrade.
I'm completely open to spending more then the $60 to get something like a sensei if that's something better. I am definitely an idra fan, but I know I would never get a "pros" use out of a $90 mouse.
I'm up for whatever though.
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On January 05 2013 18:44 SleepTech wrote:
So I have a $60 gift card for Best Buy from Christmas and I want to get a new mouse. I use palm grip and I'm not a 'hardcore' gamer. I basically play WoW, SC2 (hardly anymore) and a few other nontwitch games.
I'm thinking between deathadder or G400 or go with G300 and getting a nice mousepad.
What are your opinions? I've used a $10 mouse for about 5 years now so anything would be an upgrade.
Go for the Deathadder. Even if you don't care much about the fact that it has really good tracking, it's still IMO the most comfortable one of the three. The G300 has IMO a very weird, uncomfortable shape that can give you cramps.
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On January 05 2013 18:44 SleepTech wrote:
So I have a $60 gift card for Best Buy from Christmas and I want to get a new mouse. I use palm grip and I'm not a 'hardcore' gamer. I basically play WoW, SC2 (hardly anymore) and a few other nontwitch games.
I'm thinking between deathadder or G400 or go with G300 and getting a nice mousepad.
What are your opinions? I've used a $10 mouse for about 5 years now so anything would be an upgrade.
I'm completely open to spending more then the $60 to get something like a sensei if that's something better. I am definitely an idra fan, but I know I would never get a "pros" use out of a $90 mouse.
I'm up for whatever though.
I would recommend Roccat Savu. Its a great mouse with perfect tracking. Feels very comfortable and solid even tho its very light. The build quality is top notch and the button clicks are great. The scroll however is very stiff and the sides have rough texture, I personally like those features, but some people hate them.
I have a DeathAdder for comparison and technically the Savu is superior excluding the sensors - they are evenly matched, but the savu dpi steps are native (not interpolated). Choose the one which you feel is more comfortable with.
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