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On April 06 2012 10:08 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:15 AegiS_ wrote:
At this point I think my only options are the; (keep in mind I need a small mouse cause I have a claw grip/ smallish hands, and 1800dpi)
A) Abyssus. It is small compared to the xai/deathadder, and is good technically. Also used by loads of progamers
B) Orochi. Also very small, but i've heard some bad things about it's tracking etc.(someone said it had acceleration, might not be true.
C) CM Spawn. Looks like a great for mouse for me.. is small, has anti sweat sides (my hands are always sweaty by the end of a game). Can get 1800 dpi.
Abyssus does not have any acceleration or drift control. It's pretty cheap too, though I've heard a number of complaints about the build quality. Actually I've heard complaints about the build quality for many of Razer's mice. A lot of people have been pretty happy with it though. I don't believe the Orochi has drift control or acceleration either, though I don't know if I've actually heard from anyone whose used it. I do believe the CM Spawn has angle snapping/drift control. Just FYI, I've taken a bunch of the feedback from people in this thread and listed it in the OP for each mouse. Look under the Mice Info, Reviews, Specs, & Feedback section. There's a spoiler with feedback from users for about 50% of the mice listed there (I really need to update that).
Well, I read around a bit more on TL and found this (basically saying there is an option to turn off angle snapping / auto correction on the CM storm spawn)
To test the grip, disable angle snapping, then try to make vertical and horizontal lines, if it's a good grip, you'll get horizontal w/ just wrist movement, and vertical w/ just finger pushing/pulling.
So in that case I think i'll choose the Spawn over the Abyssus. goodbye xai and your little sneaky mouse acceleration/ uncomfortable grip
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Didn't SteelSeries end up fixing the pixel jump bug on the Kana?
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Good way to set the proper DPI on mouse is to try to point the cursor to designated small element of the screen, be it letter, dot or other small detail, using moderate speed. If u have trouble with it, that means u need to decrease DPI.
It worked perfectly for me at least. By reducing from 2k to 1,8k I felt tremendous increase in accuracy. Worth trying.
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On April 06 2012 15:27 Nefariously wrote:
Didn't SteelSeries end up fixing the pixel jump bug on the Kana?
Yes. There are a few people who have claimed to still be having issues after installing the firmware fix, though most have said it's fixed now.
But tere are still issues with the Kana. Built in acceleration, anglesnapping, and I know TT1 had some major complaints about the side button, also apparently has cheap plastic feet intead of non-stick ones.
On April 06 2012 18:52 Czarnodziej wrote:
Good way to set the proper DPI on mouse is to try to point the cursor to designated small element of the screen, be it letter, dot or other small detail, using moderate speed. If u have trouble with it, that means u need to decrease DPI.
It worked perfectly for me at least. By reducing from 2k to 1,8k I felt tremendous increase in accuracy. Worth trying.
Yeah, you've got to find the DPI setting that works for you. Though it's kind of rediculous when you see Razer products with 6400 DPI or Gigabyte's 10,000 DPI mouse; that would really never be useful unless your playing on like a 60-inch HD TV.
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On April 07 2012 00:14 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 15:27 Nefariously wrote:
Didn't SteelSeries end up fixing the pixel jump bug on the Kana? Yes. There are a few people who have claimed to still be having issues after installing the firmware fix, though most have said it's fixed now. But tere are still issues with the Kana. Built in acceleration, anglesnapping, and I know TT1 had some major complaints about the side button, also apparently has cheap plastic feet intead of non-stick ones. Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 18:52 Czarnodziej wrote:
Good way to set the proper DPI on mouse is to try to point the cursor to designated small element of the screen, be it letter, dot or other small detail, using moderate speed. If u have trouble with it, that means u need to decrease DPI.
It worked perfectly for me at least. By reducing from 2k to 1,8k I felt tremendous increase in accuracy. Worth trying. Yeah, you've got to find the DPI setting that works for you. Though it's kind of rediculous when you see Razer products with 6400 DPI or Gigabyte's 10,000 DPI mouse; that would really never be useful unless your playing on like a 60-inch HD TV.
They'd be more useful for multi-display gaming, since DPI is related to pixels. 1080p is 1080p, you'll move the same percentage of the display with 1000 DPI regardless of whether it's 27" or 54".
If you were doing some obscene 9 display surround setup, it might make some sense.
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On April 07 2012 00:17 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 00:14 TheToast wrote:On April 06 2012 15:27 Nefariously wrote:
Didn't SteelSeries end up fixing the pixel jump bug on the Kana? Yes. There are a few people who have claimed to still be having issues after installing the firmware fix, though most have said it's fixed now. But tere are still issues with the Kana. Built in acceleration, anglesnapping, and I know TT1 had some major complaints about the side button, also apparently has cheap plastic feet intead of non-stick ones. On April 06 2012 18:52 Czarnodziej wrote:
Good way to set the proper DPI on mouse is to try to point the cursor to designated small element of the screen, be it letter, dot or other small detail, using moderate speed. If u have trouble with it, that means u need to decrease DPI.
It worked perfectly for me at least. By reducing from 2k to 1,8k I felt tremendous increase in accuracy. Worth trying. Yeah, you've got to find the DPI setting that works for you. Though it's kind of rediculous when you see Razer products with 6400 DPI or Gigabyte's 10,000 DPI mouse; that would really never be useful unless your playing on like a 60-inch HD TV. They'd be more useful for multi-display gaming, since DPI is related to pixels. 1080p is 1080p, you'll move the same percentage of the display with 1000 DPI regardless of whether it's 27" or 54". If you were doing some obscene 9 display surround setup, it might make some sense.
Umm.... yes you are correct that the size of the TV does not affect it, however 1080 would still mean a width of 1920px in a 16:9 aspect ratio. So a DPI over 2500 might still be beneficial. Well I take that back, size might matter (no pun intended) as many smaller TVs have maximum 720 resolution; which would be 1280px horizontal and anything over 2500 DPI would be overkill for that.
But still, no one is ever going to need a 10,000 DPI mouse. Even if you had 10 monitors strung together, the mouse would be so sensitive you wouldn't be able to click on anything.
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On April 07 2012 00:35 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 00:17 JingleHell wrote:On April 07 2012 00:14 TheToast wrote:On April 06 2012 15:27 Nefariously wrote:
Didn't SteelSeries end up fixing the pixel jump bug on the Kana? Yes. There are a few people who have claimed to still be having issues after installing the firmware fix, though most have said it's fixed now. But tere are still issues with the Kana. Built in acceleration, anglesnapping, and I know TT1 had some major complaints about the side button, also apparently has cheap plastic feet intead of non-stick ones. On April 06 2012 18:52 Czarnodziej wrote:
Good way to set the proper DPI on mouse is to try to point the cursor to designated small element of the screen, be it letter, dot or other small detail, using moderate speed. If u have trouble with it, that means u need to decrease DPI.
It worked perfectly for me at least. By reducing from 2k to 1,8k I felt tremendous increase in accuracy. Worth trying. Yeah, you've got to find the DPI setting that works for you. Though it's kind of rediculous when you see Razer products with 6400 DPI or Gigabyte's 10,000 DPI mouse; that would really never be useful unless your playing on like a 60-inch HD TV. They'd be more useful for multi-display gaming, since DPI is related to pixels. 1080p is 1080p, you'll move the same percentage of the display with 1000 DPI regardless of whether it's 27" or 54". If you were doing some obscene 9 display surround setup, it might make some sense. Umm.... yes you are correct that the size of the TV does not affect it, however 1080 would still mean a width of 1920px in a 16: 9 aspect ratio. So a DPI over 2500 might still be beneficial. Well I take that back, size might matter (no pun intended) as many smaller TVs have maximum 720 resolution; which would be 1280px horizontal and anything over 2500 DPI would be overkill for that. But still, no one is ever going to need a 10,000 DPI mouse. Even if you had 10 monitors strung together, the mouse would be so sensitive you wouldn't be able to click on anything.
That was kinda my point. Unless you're playing in multi-display stuff that keeps a normal aspect ratio, so that models can actually be bigger for more detail, rather than just trying to get a 360 degree FOV or something similar, raising DPI would quickly become a hindrance.
Even in the cases of sticking to 16: 9 but going to absurd pixel counts, you're still going to have a fairly linear scaling of how much DPI to go up. 9 display 16: 9, you'd probably cap out at ~3x normal DPI, which for most people would still come nowhere near 5600, let alone 10k.
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Pretty much, yeah.
Oh, and the mouse I was thinking of is actually the Steel Series Sensei which claims to be able to go up to 11,400 DPI.
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is the pointer supposed to move straight? I have the razer abyssus but when I move to the right for example it's not a perfectly straight line, but rather a wiggly one.
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On April 07 2012 02:29 xeo1 wrote:
is the pointer supposed to move straight? I have the razer abyssus but when I move to the right for example it's not a perfectly straight line, but rather a wiggly one.
No.
Razer Abyssus by default has no drift control, which is present in other mice. Basically, even though you think you are moving your mouse perfectly straight, there are lots of little variations in the movement of your hand which normally are unpercieved. Using a mouse with high DPI can amplify these movements, making it appear like the mouse cursor is moving strangely when in fact it's perfectly mirroring the movement of your hand.
This is why a lot of mouse manufacturers include drift control (also sometimes called angle snapping); basically the mouse guesses what you are trying to do, like draw a straight line, and then smooths out the actual input to mirror that. Though for gaming, especially at a high level, this is not ideal as it actually reduces your accuracy.
So while drawing straight lines may be more difficult, you are actually going to end up with better accuracy in games.
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On April 07 2012 03:20 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 02:29 xeo1 wrote:
is the pointer supposed to move straight? I have the razer abyssus but when I move to the right for example it's not a perfectly straight line, but rather a wiggly one. No. Razer Abyssus by default has no drift control, which is present in other mice. Basically, even though you think you are moving your mouse perfectly straight, there are lots of little variations in the movement of your hand which normally are unpercieved. Using a mouse with high DPI can amplify these movements, making it appear like the mouse cursor is moving strangely when in fact it's perfectly mirroring the movement of your hand. This is why a lot of mouse manufacturers include drift control (also sometimes called angle snapping); basically the mouse guesses what you are trying to do, like draw a straight line, and then smooths out the actual input to mirror that. Though for gaming, especially at a high level, this is not ideal as it actually reduces your accuracy. So while drawing straight lines may be more difficult, you are actually going to end up with better accuracy in games.
i see, thank u for enlightening me  i was starting to think my mouse is defected :p
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On April 05 2012 09:59 Zorgon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 09:19 TheToast wrote:On April 05 2012 08:44 Marodox wrote:
I recently bought the Logitech G1, but it cant keep up with my 1920x1080 resolution. What setting should I change to increase the sensitivity without damaging accuracy? + Show Spoiler +
Basically a higher DPI is going to give you faster speeds without sacrificing any precision. DPI corresponds to the amount of pixels the cursor will move when the mouse is moved one inch. When you turn up the sensitivity in Windows or in games, basically this takes the number of pixels the cursor should have moved and multiplies it. This has the effect of making it so there are certain columns of pixels on the screen that the mouse is unable to land on. If you multiply everything by two for example, you'll never get an odd number. Same principle for mouse sensitivity.
Now as far as I can tell, the Logitech G1 has a maximum DPI of 1000. That should mean at the maximum setting you should be able to move from one side of your monitor to the other by moving the mouse about 2 inches. I think the G1 has a button on the top that modifies what the DPI is set to, if not you may have to install logitech's drivers. However if 1000 DPI isn't good fast enough, pretty much the only option you have is changing windows sensitivity.
The button on top of the G1 is just a back button that can be programmed to serve other functions using the SetPoint software available on Logitech's Korean website. Doesn't have to be Korean Setpoint, just regular ol' Setpoint (Not the version for G500/G700/G9X, the version for everything else) from whatever country/region you are from. It registers just fine with regular Setpoint. It just registers as a Logitech G1, but when you check information it states the mouse has 1000 DPI instead of 800. It makes a huge difference if Setpoint is installed, without it the G1 is kinda inconsistent and feels really odd but with it the mouse works as smooth as a G9x.
You can't adjust the DPI of the G1. You can change sensitivity within Setpoint or Windows but not DPI. Luckily for me, 1000 DPI is the sweetspot when it comes to mice so the mouse is perfect for me. I've had mine a couple months now.
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I'm actually not looking for a new mouse but since this is "the" mouseguide i hope i'll get some answers here too.
Well, my current mouse is the "Razer Imperator". The mouse itself works pretty well for me but lately I'm having real troubles with my mousepad, just a simple Alienware pad which came along with my computer 2 years ago.
It's already worn out and lost it's grip. Anyways, my mouse feels pretty weird on it so I'm currently looking for a new mousepad.
Lately a friend told me that these new glass pads are great so i was about to order the "STEELSERIES EXPERIENCE I-2" till i found a weird post on Amazon saying this pad is not "compatible" with Razer mice in general and especially not with the Razer Imperator I have. Something with the laser Razer uses for their mice :S
I'm not sure if i should believe this cuz everyone else says it does more than just work with their Logitech, Steelseries.. etc. mice???
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On April 08 2012 08:15 Rockston wrote:
I'm actually not looking for a new mouse but since this is "the" mouseguide i hope i'll get some answers here too.
Well, my current mouse is the "Razer Imperator". The mouse itself works pretty well for me but lately I'm having real troubles with my mousepad, just a simple Alienware pad which came along with my computer 2 years ago.
It's already worn out and lost it's grip. Anyways, my mouse feels pretty weird on it so I'm currently looking for a new mousepad.
Lately a friend told me that these new glass pads are great so i was about to order the "STEELSERIES EXPERIENCE I-2" till i found a weird post on Amazon saying this pad is not "compatible" with Razer mice in general and especially not with the Razer Imperator I have. Something with the laser Razer uses for their mice :S
I'm not sure if i should believe this cuz everyone else says it does more than just work with their Logitech, Steelseries.. etc. mice???
It's entirely plausible that a mouse and pad can be incompatible. Lasers in particular can be a bit bitchy about surfaces. I'm leery about ordering mousepads online, because it's a pain in the ass to return that way if it doesn't work.
Last time I had a mousepad wear out, I made a ton of trips to Fry's.
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So, I've heard a lot of people saying you shouldn't use a soft mousepad (qck) with a SS Xai? I have a 6HD or whatever, and a qck and I'm really used to the Qck. Is the tracking really that much worse on the qck instead of the 6hd/9hd mousepads?
I can't seem to get used to the higher movement speed on the hard mousepad >.< has made me lose a lot of games already D:
i want to get a new mouse (with the xai having slight acceleration) but everything else i've tried feels too weird to grip (CM storm spawn).. but i doubt i actually notice the acceleration enough to justify me buying a diff mouse.
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On April 08 2012 08:15 Rockston wrote:
I'm actually not looking for a new mouse but since this is "the" mouseguide i hope i'll get some answers here too.
Well, my current mouse is the "Razer Imperator". The mouse itself works pretty well for me but lately I'm having real troubles with my mousepad, just a simple Alienware pad which came along with my computer 2 years ago.
It's already worn out and lost it's grip. Anyways, my mouse feels pretty weird on it so I'm currently looking for a new mousepad.
Lately a friend told me that these new glass pads are great so i was about to order the "STEELSERIES EXPERIENCE I-2" till i found a weird post on Amazon saying this pad is not "compatible" with Razer mice in general and especially not with the Razer Imperator I have. Something with the laser Razer uses for their mice :S
I'm not sure if i should believe this cuz everyone else says it does more than just work with their Logitech, Steelseries.. etc. mice???
I have a Imperator and use the Steelseries Qck. Don't have any problems.
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On April 08 2012 09:31 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 08:15 Rockston wrote:
I'm actually not looking for a new mouse but since this is "the" mouseguide i hope i'll get some answers here too.
Well, my current mouse is the "Razer Imperator". The mouse itself works pretty well for me but lately I'm having real troubles with my mousepad, just a simple Alienware pad which came along with my computer 2 years ago.
It's already worn out and lost it's grip. Anyways, my mouse feels pretty weird on it so I'm currently looking for a new mousepad.
Lately a friend told me that these new glass pads are great so i was about to order the "STEELSERIES EXPERIENCE I-2" till i found a weird post on Amazon saying this pad is not "compatible" with Razer mice in general and especially not with the Razer Imperator I have. Something with the laser Razer uses for their mice :S
I'm not sure if i should believe this cuz everyone else says it does more than just work with their Logitech, Steelseries.. etc. mice??? I have a Imperator and use the Steelseries Qck. Don't have any problems.
He's not talking about the QCK, he's talking about the Experience, it's glass.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0263787
And some surfaces don't mix well with some lasers. No idea whether this one messes with it or not.
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Yeah lasers are really picky sometimes. Of the laser mice i've used (g9x, sensei) they definitely like hard pads like the SS 4hd/9hd the most.
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On April 08 2012 09:44 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 09:31 ACrow wrote:On April 08 2012 08:15 Rockston wrote:
I'm actually not looking for a new mouse but since this is "the" mouseguide i hope i'll get some answers here too.
Well, my current mouse is the "Razer Imperator". The mouse itself works pretty well for me but lately I'm having real troubles with my mousepad, just a simple Alienware pad which came along with my computer 2 years ago.
It's already worn out and lost it's grip. Anyways, my mouse feels pretty weird on it so I'm currently looking for a new mousepad.
Lately a friend told me that these new glass pads are great so i was about to order the "STEELSERIES EXPERIENCE I-2" till i found a weird post on Amazon saying this pad is not "compatible" with Razer mice in general and especially not with the Razer Imperator I have. Something with the laser Razer uses for their mice :S
I'm not sure if i should believe this cuz everyone else says it does more than just work with their Logitech, Steelseries.. etc. mice??? I have a Imperator and use the Steelseries Qck. Don't have any problems. He's not talking about the QCK, he's talking about the Experience, it's glass. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0263787And some surfaces don't mix well with some lasers. No idea whether this one messes with it or not.
I understood him and was recommending the much cheaper Qck The sensor of the Imperator can be quite touchy and has trouble with glossy/flat surfaces in my experience.
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Hey guys, I have been thinking about getting a Logitech mini optical. Is this mouse as good with sc2 as it was with BW?
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