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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 00:26:04
December 28 2013 00:24 GMT
#2921
Kana V2 has the same general shape but is shrunk and the thumb buttons are weird in comparison (only one on each side and there's a weird gap below them). I don't know if it's shrunk enough if you don't like the Sensei's size. You could buy it at amazon.de and send it back if you don't like it. They'll definitely accept it if you are careful with how you open it and stuff.

EDIT: It has 400, 800, 1200, 1600, 2000, 2400, 3200, 4000 dpi steps.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
iWulfy
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 30 2013 03:23 GMT
#2922
1. What's your grip style?

Palm

2. What's your sensitivity?

1000-3000

3. What's your maximum budget?

Any

4. Do you want additional buttons?

Not really needed.

5. What games do you play?

DoTA 2, LoL, FPS.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

Basically looking for a new mouse because I have bought several razer mice all of which have died on me. I seem to have issues with mice that have a-lot of flashy extras and so I want to return to a simple functional mouse.

I haven't really got big hands but extremely long fingers so for example when using the old Razer deathadder, my pinky finger would be dragging against the mouse mat. I've been looking at the Feenix Nascita as it's size and shape appeal to me but I hear there is problems lifting the mouse and I'm not sure if it is overhyped or not.

Any help would be great =p <3

Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
December 30 2013 03:37 GMT
#2923
^Look @ steelseries rival
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 30 2013 03:41 GMT
#2924
The Feenix Nascita is probably just a random Chinese mouse, definitely weird hype. It seems you can buy the same mouse through other brands. This one looks suspiciously similar for example, seems to be the exact same shell at least: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharkoon-4044951012510-Darkglider-Mouse/dp/B00889SA2K/

You should look at the Steelseries Rival. I hope it's built more sturdy than Razer Deathadder, not just feels like that.

A lot of people swear by the Logitech G400s shape which Logitech did not change for over ten years, so maybe take a good look at that one as well.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
iWulfy
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 30 2013 04:55 GMT
#2925
Hey guys.

Thanks for the suggestions. One first note the Steelseries Rival looks a little plastic-y to me.

Can anyone comment on it's build quality firsthand?
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
December 30 2013 05:51 GMT
#2926
You could try Logitech G400S or G500S to suit your grip style. They make really solid computer mice. If you like wireless, the G602 is a great choice due to its really long battery life and 500Hz response time.
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iWulfy
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 30 2013 06:34 GMT
#2927
On December 30 2013 14:51 wptlzkwjd wrote:
You could try Logitech G400S or G500S to suit your grip style. They make really solid computer mice. If you like wireless, the G602 is a great choice due to its really long battery life and 500Hz response time.


Hey thanks.

I took a quick look at them both and found one to be optical and the other to be laser.


I'm pretty clueless but is there a major difference?
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 07:07:37
December 30 2013 06:55 GMT
#2928
On December 30 2013 15:34 iWulfy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 14:51 wptlzkwjd wrote:
You could try Logitech G400S or G500S to suit your grip style. They make really solid computer mice. If you like wireless, the G602 is a great choice due to its really long battery life and 500Hz response time.


Hey thanks.

I took a quick look at them both and found one to be optical and the other to be laser.


I'm pretty clueless but is there a major difference?


Optical is cheaper, doesn't have the ability to adjust DPI other than a two or three factory defualts, and doesn't have the tracking issues inherent in laser sensors such as prediction. They also track better on cloth mouse pads. the ADNS-9500 and ADNS-9800 both have a small amount of positive acceleration at very high movement speeds. Some even have jitter. Opticals, on the other hand, tend to be unable to handle higher hand movement speeds that very low sensitivity gamers may use, but when working properly will track nearly perfect 1:1 within about 0.5%. All of that is MUCH more important than the CPI (counts per inch, the proper term instead of DPI) a sensor is capable of.

http://www.overclock.net/t/951894/the-truthful-mouse-guide

http://www.overclock.net/t/1251156/an-overview-of-mouse-technology
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 11:46:52
December 30 2013 11:46 GMT
#2929
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 00:37:18
December 31 2013 00:37 GMT
#2930
On December 30 2013 20:46 Thalandros wrote:
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?


The deathadder is the only razer mouse that is not shit IMO. If you want something similar to the Sensei in feel but with a better sensor go for the zowie am.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
December 31 2013 01:08 GMT
#2931
On December 31 2013 09:37 Jswizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 20:46 Thalandros wrote:
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?


The deathadder is the only razer mouse that is not shit IMO. If you want something similar to the Sensei in feel but with a better sensor go for the zowie am.


Is it safe to say that the Sensei laser is actually capable of affecting performance negatively with the amount of accel it has?
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
December 31 2013 01:30 GMT
#2932
On December 31 2013 10:08 Thalandros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 09:37 Jswizzy wrote:
On December 30 2013 20:46 Thalandros wrote:
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?


The deathadder is the only razer mouse that is not shit IMO. If you want something similar to the Sensei in feel but with a better sensor go for the zowie am.


Is it safe to say that the Sensei laser is actually capable of affecting performance negatively with the amount of accel it has?


Do some experiments. Open up paint and try and draw some straight lines and such to see how much real control you have over the sensor.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
December 31 2013 12:40 GMT
#2933
So i recently discovered a problem with my deathadder 3500 dpi. Whenever I hold unto the left click for more than 3 seconds, it automatically clicks when I let it back up.
Is there a way to deal with it?
Has the problem got to do with my laptop or my mouse?
Starve the ego, feed the soul.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 31 2013 13:37 GMT
#2934
On December 31 2013 10:08 Thalandros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 09:37 Jswizzy wrote:
On December 30 2013 20:46 Thalandros wrote:
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?


The deathadder is the only razer mouse that is not shit IMO. If you want something similar to the Sensei in feel but with a better sensor go for the zowie am.


Is it safe to say that the Sensei laser is actually capable of affecting performance negatively with the amount of accel it has?



i really dont understand this, i have the sensei for a long time now and to me it feels like it is translating my movements 1:1 to the pointer.

the only issue i found is that its unusable at higher dpi on the steelseries cloth pad since the random 1- pixel jitters on low sensitivity become 4-10 pixels.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
December 31 2013 17:16 GMT
#2935
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2013 10:30 Jswizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 10:08 Thalandros wrote:
On December 31 2013 09:37 Jswizzy wrote:
On December 30 2013 20:46 Thalandros wrote:
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?


The deathadder is the only razer mouse that is not shit IMO. If you want something similar to the Sensei in feel but with a better sensor go for the zowie am.


Is it safe to say that the Sensei laser is actually capable of affecting performance negatively with the amount of accel it has?


Do some experiments. Open up paint and try and draw some straight lines and such to see how much real control you have over the sensor.


Not really sure what to compare them to. Should I draw quickly or slowly? And can't it always be a little bit of my own fault if I draw not exactly precise and straight?
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
January 01 2014 05:05 GMT
#2936
On January 01 2014 02:16 Thalandros wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2013 10:30 Jswizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 10:08 Thalandros wrote:
On December 31 2013 09:37 Jswizzy wrote:
On December 30 2013 20:46 Thalandros wrote:
1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

1200-1500

3. What's your maximum budget?

N/A

4. Do you want additional buttons?
No.

5. What games do you play?

StarCraft II is what I will buy it for.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?

Yes.

7. Other relevant information:

I've been using a Sensei for ~2 years now and it's working fine (except for that little bit of acceleration), but I guess I'm wondering what similar mouse I can buy with less accel? I'm so used to this mouse I don't really know if the acceleration on this mouse is very much above average. (It definately feels like that sometimes.. ) I was looking specifically at a Razer Taipan/Deathadder, but I'm not sure.

Any suggestions or is the sensei laser fine?


The deathadder is the only razer mouse that is not shit IMO. If you want something similar to the Sensei in feel but with a better sensor go for the zowie am.


Is it safe to say that the Sensei laser is actually capable of affecting performance negatively with the amount of accel it has?


Do some experiments. Open up paint and try and draw some straight lines and such to see how much real control you have over the sensor.


Not really sure what to compare them to. Should I draw quickly or slowly? And can't it always be a little bit of my own fault if I draw not exactly precise and straight?


Draw some lines of the same size at different speeds. You should be able to tell if there is acceleration if you have problems stopping your movement at higher speeds.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2144 Posts
January 01 2014 13:08 GMT
#2937
Best mouse I ever had: WMO overclocked to 500Hz
napalmion
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland96 Posts
January 02 2014 03:13 GMT
#2938
hey guys I have Steelseries XAI and have been extremely happy with it, precision is great and I love almost everything about it, problem is clicking buttons degenerated and sometimes they register double click and other wierd stuff so I have to change, one thing I want to improve on is silent clicks, it really bothers me to hear loud mouse click are you aware of any good similar mouse that has that silent or non existent click sound? is there anything better than Steelseries XAI? thanks!
FEAR is your compass
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
January 02 2014 03:28 GMT
#2939
The sensei is perfectly fine if you have a hard pad and like it, it has very minimal unpredictable acceleration but some CS pros even use it due to sponsors and they still destroy so it will have literally no affect on your gaming unless it bothers you personally. The only issue with the sensei is it's crazy high weight which can be solved by getting a RAW. I would have stuck with it if I didn't have tiny girl hands but I ended up going with a Zowie FK and have no regrets.

Sensors mean very little in the end on a mouse if the shape is comfortable to you, a good shape will outweigh the minor sensor problems in most gaming mice.

hey guys I have Steelseries XAI and have been extremely happy with it, precision is great and I love almost everything about it, problem is clicking buttons degenerated and sometimes they register double click and other wierd stuff so I have to change, one thing I want to improve on is silent clicks, it really bothers me to hear loud mouse click are you aware of any good similar mouse that has that silent or non existent click sound? is there anything better than Steelseries XAI? thanks!


The Xai uses Omrons I think which are the most quiet decent switches you can find. Honestly a decent upgrade to the Xai would be a g100, zowie FK, Kana v2, abyssus but as far as the actual switches I think Xai will likely be as loud as any other omron switch, TTC (Kana) are even louder and the Huanos (FK) are in between.
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
January 02 2014 03:56 GMT
#2940
On January 02 2014 12:13 napalmion wrote:
hey guys I have Steelseries XAI and have been extremely happy with it, precision is great and I love almost everything about it, problem is clicking buttons degenerated and sometimes they register double click and other wierd stuff so I have to change, one thing I want to improve on is silent clicks, it really bothers me to hear loud mouse click are you aware of any good similar mouse that has that silent or non existent click sound? is there anything better than Steelseries XAI? thanks!


Zowie AM is very similar and well recommended. I haven't tried it but everything I've read says Zowie is a better brand than steel series.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
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