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On March 15 2013 02:24 matiK23 wrote:
Anyone can recommend a mouse like the EC1 zowie Mico but with the two scroll buttons on the side? Need it for Dota 2 item hotkeys. I'm leaning towards the EC2 but it looks a bit bigger than the original small one, which I love for the size.
I'd recommend the Razer Deathadder over Zowie EC1 or EC2. Had the EC2 myself, sent it back besause it was far less comfortable than a Deathadder.
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On March 16 2013 07:26 TwilightRain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 02:24 matiK23 wrote:
Anyone can recommend a mouse like the EC1 zowie Mico but with the two scroll buttons on the side? Need it for Dota 2 item hotkeys. I'm leaning towards the EC2 but it looks a bit bigger than the original small one, which I love for the size. I'd recommend the Razer Deathadder over Zowie EC1 or EC2. Had the EC2 myself, sent it back besause it was far less comfortable than a Deathadder.
Thanks for the suggestion, Just ordered one.
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i mean just because the mouse is big enough that it sometimes touches my palm doesnt change my gripstyle.
Nono dude when gripping with fingertip you are holding the mouse pretty low down with the thumb, sure you can pull the mouse closer to your palm, thats the point of fingertip, but there's a 1-2 inch gap there.
Claw, i used it for some hours and dropped to 540dpi step - i find its harder to have as good accuracy as fingertip for small movements (because you cant really adjust with just fingers at all) but the vastly increased stability of the mouse weight is worth it, its night and day in fast movements (and i mean cross screen in 0.1-0.5 seconds or 180 low sens FPS)
but i imagine most claw grippers just have the mouse a little extended so they can use their fingers to pull the mouse back a bit. It would seem odd you use fingers/wrist for all controls and lift off except shoulder/forearm for going backwards.
I dont think you quite understand, with thumb far enough up mouse for base of palm near thumb to make contact and the rest of grip based between the grip of the thumb and the pinky plus the finger next to it - mouse button fingers have no influence, either your wrist, elbow, shoulder or any combination of them moves or the mouse does not - this is extremely different to any true fingertip grip.
You've seen how I mouse grip, but my 'fingertip' is much further forward than yours Irrelevant where the fingers are really, as long as they are the only contact points - fingertip is basically anything that's not palm or claw (which have very few variations) - everything you have said or shown to me indicates fingertip grip pretty much exactly like i used for >10k hours.
With fingertip grip at 540dpi, i can bring the mouse vertically over the entire height of this post without the wrist, elbow or arm moving - with claw, the movement comes by changes the angle of shoulder and elbow slightly to bring the wrist and hand (locked) about 1 inch forward or back.
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On March 16 2013 21:33 Cyro wrote:
With fingertip grip at 540dpi, i can bring the mouse vertically over the entire height of this post without the wrist, elbow or arm moving - with claw, the movement comes by changes the angle of shoulder and elbow slightly to bring the wrist and hand (locked) about 1 inch forward or back.
With fingertip I don't actually think I move my wrist in an entire game of SC2 except to readjust, claw involves far more arm movement for me and I find it hard to be accurate.
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Yea i'd say thats about right, i dropped DPI to two thirds of fingertip and i still have less accuracy - maybe with time - but previously, moving the mouse sharply in any direction but directly left would make the mouse weight quite unstable (part of it would move more than others, it would wobble or be difficult) and the specifics of claw (base of palm in contact with mouse, thumb much further forward acting as a grip around the middle of the mouse instead of a support on the back, hand closer to center of gravity etc) make that basically not happen any more.
Im trying to blend and use both @540dpi 1920x1080, for example fingertip is superior for an action like splitting (where i can make 4-way before the probes hit patches most games right now, working on improving) but i'd change it for jumping repeatedly between wireframe or game area to minimap like sending multiple overlords to different locations and can complete that action (10 units sent to 10 different areas of the minimap, accurately) in like half of the time and some other examples.
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I wouldn't be able to switch between the two, ever since I got a mouse capable of changing DPI I've used a high DPI and relied on moving just my hand, that's been about 3 years now so all the muscle memory I have for mouse movement is lost when I use claw grip.
I actually still use the same grip for FPS, I just drop down the in game sensitivity slightly and it works out alright, although I am rather poor at the genre.
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Hm well, i use 400-800 dpi (in this case 540 and 810 steps) for 2d 1920x1080 interface and use like 0.3 meters for 180 turn in FPS camera, you just dont have anywhere near comparable accuracy with higher DPI's. Since i got into half decent mice, i used 3200 for 10k hours or so, used 400-800 for another 10k and there's no going back ever.
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On March 18 2013 23:41 Cyro wrote:
Hm well, i use 400-800 dpi (in this case 540 and 810 steps) for 2d 1920x1080 interface and use like 0.3 meters for 180 turn in FPS camera, you just dont have anywhere near comparable accuracy with higher DPI's. Since i got into half decent mice, i used 3200 for 10k hours or so, used 400-800 for another 10k and there's no going back ever.
I went from crap mice to a mouse where I can change DPI, I play on 4k DPI but have the sensitivity in game low to balance it. I've noticed a large difference in skill between playing CS:1.6 and GO though. With GO I'm about 0.05 or so over a 1:1 ratio over several hundred games however with 1.6 I seem to fare a lot better. Odd.
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I play on 4k DPI but have the sensitivity in game low to balance it
If you do this on desktop or in a game with a 2d interface - like starcraft 2 or basically anything that's not an FPS, you're doing it wrong.
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On March 19 2013 01:13 Cyro wrote:If you do this on desktop or in a game with a 2d interface - like starcraft 2 or basically anything that's not an FPS, you're doing it wrong.
Sensitivity is only low in FPS games, I know about the pixel skipping, don't worry ^^
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On March 19 2013 00:44 Targe wrote:I went from crap mice to a mouse where I can change DPI, I play on 4k DPI but have the sensitivity in game low to balance it.
I recommend using a lower CPI value than 4k. Try to get as close as possible to your desired sensitivity via changing CPI. Use software if your CPI steps are insufficient.
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On March 19 2013 04:21 blueslobster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 00:44 Targe wrote:I went from crap mice to a mouse where I can change DPI, I play on 4k DPI but have the sensitivity in game low to balance it. I recommend using a lower CPI value than 4k. Try to get as close as possible to your desired sensitivity via changing CPI. Use software if your CPI steps are insufficient.
I can set whatever DPI I like, I play fine with my DPI as it is and never have trouble playing SC2 to the best of my abilities. Only thing hindering me right now is my keyboard speed, 120 apm just feels slow.
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On March 19 2013 04:28 Targe wrote:I can set whatever DPI I like
In that case you should only use your mouse to set your sensitivity, and not Windows or SC 2.
If you use a laser mouse and therefore suffer from its biggest disadvantage (randomish acceleration), you should use one of the great advantages of laser mice: the possibility to precisely set your CPI.
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On March 19 2013 20:04 blueslobster wrote:In that case you should only use your mouse to set your sensitivity, and not Windows or SC 2.
That's what I do.
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Razer Deathadder 3.5g (not a counterfeit)
Driver 3.05, Firmware 2.45
No synapse
I'm unable to change any of my keybindings using the razer program. Even if I reset after changes, and if i change them, the key in question simply does nothing.
Is this a common problem?
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Never heard of it before, is 3.05 one of the synapse drivers or whatever or just normal? I remember rolling back to 3.03.
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just normal driver. i think i was using 3.01 or 3.03 or something older a week ago, had the same issue (but fixed an issue where wheel scrolling causes stuttering, although it still seems to happen but not as badly or often).
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Can someone recommend me an awesome mouse? I use a G9 Logitech, which has worked perfect for me, but I want a new one. I bought a Razer Spectre and it was just too small/light, so I threw it in the trash (srs).
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On March 20 2013 02:33 Thor.Rush wrote:
Can someone recommend me an awesome mouse? I use a G9 Logitech, which has worked perfect for me, but I want a new one. I bought a Razer Spectre and it was just too small/light, so I threw it in the trash (srs).
G9x 
Logitech makes great mice, great warranty etc. so i don't see any reason to switch. Maybe to an optical? Razer Abyssus is slighty bigger than the Spectre but with a way better sensor.
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/1f/1fea65b7_Mouse-Sizing-Chart.jpeg here's a very nice comparison between a lot of popular mice.
Spectre:
Approximate Size : 100 mm / 3.94” (Length) x 66 mm / 2.60” (Width) x 37 mm / 1.45” (Height)
Approximate Weight : 121 g / 0.26 lbs
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On March 20 2013 02:33 Thor.Rush wrote:
Can someone recommend me an awesome mouse? I use a G9 Logitech, which has worked perfect for me, but I want a new one.
So you know which mouse is perfect for you, but you want recommendations for another one? Basically you're looking for a mouse that's less perfect?
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