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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 03:07:46
October 22 2010 03:01 GMT
#1881
So, AMD new card sjust came out. Reading them but they seem pretty decent, just getting to the prices now to see how it fairs to our budget solutions involving the 460s.

EDIT: Humm, seems to be cheaper than 460s, and higher performance. Unless I'm reading COMPLETELY and utterly wrong. Also, these cards use like noooo power holy. Pretty amazing set of cards ati just sent
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 22 2010 03:07 GMT
#1882
AMD's new cards are a better buy unless you are a Nvidia loyalist.

6850 for $179 vs 460 for $199
6870 for $239 vs 470 for $259

Too bad the only manufacturer on AMD's side that offers lifetime warranty is price gouging...
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
October 22 2010 04:00 GMT
#1883
On October 22 2010 12:07 skyR wrote:
AMD's new cards are a better buy unless you are a Nvidia loyalist.

6850 for $179 vs 460 for $199
6870 for $239 vs 470 for $259

Too bad the only manufacturer on AMD's side that offers lifetime warranty is price gouging...

i expect everyone to break msrp in a week lol i'll auto see them raise the prices on the 6850 and 6870 to match the 460 and 470
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 22 2010 08:32 GMT
#1884
6850 looks pretty sick, both faster and cheaper than the GTX 460. 6870 looks okay but its slower than the 5870 LOL. they should have just named them 6830 and 6850 or 6750 and 6780 imo. This kind of naming scheme is just really confusing.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 09:17:13
October 22 2010 09:16 GMT
#1885
Its not really that confusing unless you're new to all of this stuff, they're just going back to the old naming scheme. The 4850 and its friends were the old mid range cards and the 5000 series threw a curve ball and labeled their #8### series as top range single GPU cards. The 6870 is slower than the 5870 because its meant to be - its in ATI's mid range lineup.

Its just that, the 6850 and 6870 are basically mid range cards and nothing more, the 6900 series are going to be the things that are actually true replacements to the 5800 series.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 10:03:24
October 22 2010 09:51 GMT
#1886
On October 22 2010 18:16 Womwomwom wrote:
Its not really that confusing unless you're new to all of this stuff, they're just going back to the old naming scheme. The 4850 and its friends were the old mid range cards and the 5000 series threw a curve ball and labeled their #8### series as top range single GPU cards. The 6870 is slower than the 5870 because its meant to be - its in ATI's mid range lineup.

You are completly wrong. When it was released the 4850 was the 2nd best mono GPU card from ATI after the 4870
It was pretty much like the 5850 vs the 5870.


People think that the 4850/4870 are mid range cards because when the 58xx got released their price dropped but back in 2008 it was top range for the 4870 and mid++ range for the 4850.

The 4890 was released months after the 4850 and the 4870 btw.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
October 22 2010 10:17 GMT
#1887
[image loading]
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 22 2010 11:52 GMT
#1888
On October 22 2010 19:17 mahnini wrote:
[image loading]


Whats the point to have a 0 at the end then ?
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
October 22 2010 11:52 GMT
#1889
Which AMD brands do you guys prefer over others? I've only gone to ATI once, and that was when I upgraded from my 7950 to a 4870 and it was from HIS.

I was keeping my eye on the 460's but since these came out by the time I need a card I will be seriously considering hoping over again, however I must learn to love CCC because I just can't stand it for some reason.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 22 2010 14:19 GMT
#1890
On October 22 2010 20:52 PaD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 19:17 mahnini wrote:
[image loading]


Whats the point to have a 0 at the end then ?


So revisions are possible.


On October 22 2010 20:52 SONE wrote:
Which AMD brands do you guys prefer over others? I've only gone to ATI once, and that was when I upgraded from my 7950 to a 4870 and it was from HIS.

I was keeping my eye on the 460's but since these came out by the time I need a card I will be seriously considering hoping over again, however I must learn to love CCC because I just can't stand it for some reason.


XFX for double lifetime warranty.

If you don't care about warranty than MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, or Sapphire.

lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
October 23 2010 06:23 GMT
#1891
Hi, I'm building a new computer, but I am not sure if everything is compatible with everything else. Could you guys take a look at my build and make some suggestions or reccomendations based on it?
I am gonna be using this comp for SC2, videos, and video encoding.
I will also be using 2 monitors.

long parts list
+ Show Spoiler +

ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

2x GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GV-N470SO-13I GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125338

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231335

G.SKILL Phoenix Pro Series FM-25S2S-60GBP2 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

2x ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136181

Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 06:28:52
October 23 2010 06:27 GMT
#1892
On October 22 2010 20:52 PaD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 19:17 mahnini wrote:
[image loading]


Whats the point to have a 0 at the end then ?

[image loading]

I got the leaked northern islands cards, apparently they will be re-branding eyefinity as multi-display edition
1000 sounds cooler then 100 lol
When they hit 9000 they just when down to 2000 and put HD in front of it.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 23 2010 17:05 GMT
#1893
On October 23 2010 15:23 lovelyrose wrote:
Hi, I'm building a new computer, but I am not sure if everything is compatible with everything else. Could you guys take a look at my build and make some suggestions or reccomendations based on it?
I am gonna be using this comp for SC2, videos, and video encoding.
I will also be using 2 monitors.

long parts list
+ Show Spoiler +

ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

2x GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GV-N470SO-13I GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125338

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231335

G.SKILL Phoenix Pro Series FM-25S2S-60GBP2 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

2x ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136181

Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150


I think overall everything looks good, if expensive. Be sure to check NCIX.com (and use their price matching), MemoryExpress, etc. as they tend to have better prices than newegg.ca. A single GTX 470 is already more than plenty for ultra on SC2, but I guess you're looking at other games as well.

A couple concerns:
I don't know about the Frio specifically, but if you haven't already, check dimensions and make sure that you won't have clearance issues with the heatsink and the extra-tall RAM.

Also, SLI GTX 470 puts out a whole bunch of heat. You also got an overclocked version of the GTX 470, which is even hotter, and the cooler is designed to exhaust a lot within the case. The mobo's PCI-E slots look to be 2 slots away from each other, so I can't imagine that your GPU temps would be so good. Maybe consider a different GTX 470, a better cooling case, and/or a mobo with PCI-E x16 slots 3 slots apart.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 23 2010 17:32 GMT
#1894
just finished building my computer today, it works and i installed windows on my SSD. i have a separate 1tb hdd that my computer recognizes in the disk manager but i cant view it in my computer.
how can i fix this?
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
October 23 2010 21:47 GMT
#1895
On October 24 2010 02:05 Myrmidon wrote:
I think overall everything looks good, if expensive. Be sure to check NCIX.com (and use their price matching), MemoryExpress, etc. as they tend to have better prices than newegg.ca. A single GTX 470 is already more than plenty for ultra on SC2, but I guess you're looking at other games as well.

A couple concerns:
I don't know about the Frio specifically, but if you haven't already, check dimensions and make sure that you won't have clearance issues with the heatsink and the extra-tall RAM.

Also, SLI GTX 470 puts out a whole bunch of heat. You also got an overclocked version of the GTX 470, which is even hotter, and the cooler is designed to exhaust a lot within the case. The mobo's PCI-E slots look to be 2 slots away from each other, so I can't imagine that your GPU temps would be so good. Maybe consider a different GTX 470, a better cooling case, and/or a mobo with PCI-E x16 slots 3 slots apart.


old parts list for reference
+ Show Spoiler +

ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

2x GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GV-N470SO-13I GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125338

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231335

G.SKILL Phoenix Pro Series FM-25S2S-60GBP2 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

2x ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136181

Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150


I switched to this combo deal for the vid cards, case and PSU. The PSU is more than I need but the deal seems decent and the cards/case seem much better.

Thermaltake TR2 TRX-1200M 1200W ATX
Thermaltake NVIDIA Edition ATX Full Tower
2x Palit NE5TX470F10DA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492313

Swapped the MB with a cheaper roomier one (combo'd with a slightly better CPU though it's probably just the same one clocked higher) generally I go with ASUS for MBs but this seemed like a nice deal and stuff like Rampage III is just too much.

Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W
GIGABYTE GA-X58-USB3 LGA 1366 Intel X58
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.520510

I prob won't OC much and the Frio seems like overkill so tossed it for:

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

With what I saved on the combo deals/fan it ends up adding around $100 which is about the difference between the cases. If I can find a good case for cheaper I might be able to cut costs with the PSU.

Aside from costs it look alright?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 23 2010 22:18 GMT
#1896
On October 24 2010 02:32 Frolossus wrote:
just finished building my computer today, it works and i installed windows on my SSD. i have a separate 1tb hdd that my computer recognizes in the disk manager but i cant view it in my computer.
how can i fix this?


Gotta partition it, you should be able to do it from the disk manager pretty easily.
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
October 23 2010 23:16 GMT
#1897
My friend is going to be making a computer for SC2 and for sound recording. Considering that most computer builds just use the onboard sound card this build will definitely have to be a bit different. Unfortunately, I know very little about sound cards/prices. We were looking at this for a base model and were going to just add in a soundcard. The budget is about $500, maybe a bit more. Any advice? It doesn't need to play SC2 any better than on medium settings.
specjr
Profile Joined April 2010
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 00:39:03
October 24 2010 00:16 GMT
#1898
My laptop is on the way out so O'm looking to build a new one.

What is your budget?

Around $500 CAD

What is your resolution?

I will need to buy a new monitor so 1680x1050 or 1920x1200.
Edit : Will purchase monitor seperately

What are you using it for?

mostly gaming, watching videos / movies.

What is your upgrade cycle?

2 - 3 years

When do you plan on building it?

In December

Do you plan on overclocking?

no

Do you need an Operating System?

no

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

yes, but doesn't have to be immediately

Where are you buying your parts from?

newegg.ca or ncix.ca
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 24 2010 00:28 GMT
#1899
On October 24 2010 06:47 lovelyrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 02:05 Myrmidon wrote:
I think overall everything looks good, if expensive. Be sure to check NCIX.com (and use their price matching), MemoryExpress, etc. as they tend to have better prices than newegg.ca. A single GTX 470 is already more than plenty for ultra on SC2, but I guess you're looking at other games as well.

A couple concerns:
I don't know about the Frio specifically, but if you haven't already, check dimensions and make sure that you won't have clearance issues with the heatsink and the extra-tall RAM.

Also, SLI GTX 470 puts out a whole bunch of heat. You also got an overclocked version of the GTX 470, which is even hotter, and the cooler is designed to exhaust a lot within the case. The mobo's PCI-E slots look to be 2 slots away from each other, so I can't imagine that your GPU temps would be so good. Maybe consider a different GTX 470, a better cooling case, and/or a mobo with PCI-E x16 slots 3 slots apart.


old parts list for reference
+ Show Spoiler +

ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

2x GIGABYTE Super Overclock Series GV-N470SO-13I GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125338

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231335

G.SKILL Phoenix Pro Series FM-25S2S-60GBP2 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

2x ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136181

Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150


I switched to this combo deal for the vid cards, case and PSU. The PSU is more than I need but the deal seems decent and the cards/case seem much better.

Thermaltake TR2 TRX-1200M 1200W ATX
Thermaltake NVIDIA Edition ATX Full Tower
2x Palit NE5TX470F10DA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492313

+ Show Spoiler +
Swapped the MB with a cheaper roomier one (combo'd with a slightly better CPU though it's probably just the same one clocked higher) generally I go with ASUS for MBs but this seemed like a nice deal and stuff like Rampage III is just too much.

Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W
GIGABYTE GA-X58-USB3 LGA 1366 Intel X58
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.520510

I prob won't OC much and the Frio seems like overkill so tossed it for:

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

With what I saved on the combo deals/fan it ends up adding around $100 which is about the difference between the cases. If I can find a good case for cheaper I might be able to cut costs with the PSU.


Aside from costs it look alright?


I'm not sure if there's much to be gained over something like a HAF 932, which would be much cheaper. Likewise, Thermaltake PSUs aside from a few of the model lines are known to be pretty mediocre, some or many not reaching their rated capacity. If you want to pay extra for a balling PSU, the 750HX was great--don't change that. The hardwaresecrets review has it providing over 900W in spec at high temperatures, so the 750W label is somewhat deceptive.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
October 24 2010 00:34 GMT
#1900
@Melancholia

Onboard sound cards are pretty good nowadays, sound cards aren't really necessary depending on what you mean by sound recording.

You're looking at an Athlon II x3 or x4 and HD 5770 or GTS 450.

@specjr

You can't fit a monitor with that resolution and a decent computer that will run SC2 well with that budget. Since you plan to build in December, wait for the time roll buy and prices will definitely be lower. Also look for Black Friday deals in November.
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