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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 18 2010 22:19 GMT
#1541
Btw what's the difference between 2.5'' and 3.5''? Just size? Or does it affect price, etc.?
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
September 18 2010 22:29 GMT
#1542
All SSD's are 2.5". If your concern is mounting, retail packages should includes an adapter/shell of sorts so you can mount it in your 3.5" HD bays.

Their form factor makes it convenient for laptops though - usually the 2.5" form factor for mechanical drives means an under-performing counterpart to the large 3.5" brother. With SSD's however, you can have better I/O performance on a laptop than your typical desktop (that has 3.5" mechanical drivers).

With no power comes no responsibility?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
September 18 2010 22:59 GMT
#1543
2.5 drives also tend to use less power and get less hot
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 18 2010 23:18 GMT
#1544
Was just about to buy... until combo page pops up! Know nothing about PSUs and none of the recommended ones were here so...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510&SubCategory=48&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

Which combo should I get?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19210 Posts
September 18 2010 23:47 GMT
#1545
On September 19 2010 07:29 mav451 wrote:
All SSD's are 2.5". If your concern is mounting, retail packages should includes an adapter/shell of sorts so you can mount it in your 3.5" HD bays.

Their form factor makes it convenient for laptops though - usually the 2.5" form factor for mechanical drives means an under-performing counterpart to the large 3.5" brother. With SSD's however, you can have better I/O performance on a laptop than your typical desktop (that has 3.5" mechanical drivers).


There are 1.8" SSDs as well.

Anyway, most SSDs come with mounting brackets for 3.5" bays. If your case has "toolless assembly" then your mounting bracket may not work, but you should have received a different one with the case.

Also, SSDs can run on desktops just fine. Saying SSD > HDD isn't anything new :|
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mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-18 23:58:23
September 18 2010 23:53 GMT
#1546
On September 19 2010 08:47 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2010 07:29 mav451 wrote:
All SSD's are 2.5". If your concern is mounting, retail packages should includes an adapter/shell of sorts so you can mount it in your 3.5" HD bays.

Their form factor makes it convenient for laptops though - usually the 2.5" form factor for mechanical drives means an under-performing counterpart to the large 3.5" brother. With SSD's however, you can have better I/O performance on a laptop than your typical desktop (that has 3.5" mechanical drivers).


There are 1.8" SSDs as well.

Anyway, most SSDs come with mounting brackets for 3.5" bays. If your case has "toolless assembly" then your mounting bracket may not work, but you should have received a different one with the case.

Also, SSDs can run on desktops just fine. Saying SSD > HDD isn't anything new :|


Where in my post did I say they don't work in desktops? You gotta stop putting words in my mouth man. Read my post again.

My laptop comment is basically saying that up till the last few years, laptop HDs were far slower than the 3.5" HDs on the desktop. Nobody has 2.5" HDs in a desktop unless they are going for a silent PC - while making significant concessions on performance. Or they bought a over-priced Raptor. Either way, not very common place.

Since SSDs are majority 2.5" size (1.8" is a far smaller market), what was originally the common laptop size is now going in the desktop, only for performance parts (SSDs). There's really only a couple cases with dedicated 2.5" HDD bays (Corsair's line).
With no power comes no responsibility?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
September 19 2010 00:00 GMT
#1547
On September 19 2010 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote:
Was just about to buy... until combo page pops up! Know nothing about PSUs and none of the recommended ones were here so...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510&SubCategory=48&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

Which combo should I get?


Just about all of us would jump at the Seasonic X750 if the price isn't an issue
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
s2pid_loser
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
September 19 2010 00:19 GMT
#1548
hey
speaking for a friend who needs help with upgrading his desktop
Dell OptiPlex GX620 Desktop Computer (Pentium D 805 2.66GHz/80GB/512MB
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-optiplex-gx620-desktop/1707-3118_7-31420314.html

so what i can get from the site is that it can be upgraded to a max of 4.0 gb of ram
pretty sure the graphics card is extremely low
he says he wants to play on medium to high quality graphics, so whats a good gfx card he should get?

also, is there anything else he would need to upgrade to make sc2 playable and enjoyable?
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 19 2010 05:36 GMT
#1549
On September 19 2010 08:18 FabledIntegral wrote:
Was just about to buy... until combo page pops up! Know nothing about PSUs and none of the recommended ones were here so...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510&SubCategory=48&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1

Which combo should I get?


None of the PSU combos seem that good since all those PSUs are quite expensive and are much more than you need--you might as well get one of the originally-suggested units and forget about combo discounts since you'll pay less that way anyway.

On September 19 2010 09:19 s2pid_loser wrote:
hey
speaking for a friend who needs help with upgrading his desktop
Dell OptiPlex GX620 Desktop Computer (Pentium D 805 2.66GHz/80GB/512MB
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-optiplex-gx620-desktop/1707-3118_7-31420314.html

so what i can get from the site is that it can be upgraded to a max of 4.0 gb of ram
pretty sure the graphics card is extremely low
he says he wants to play on medium to high quality graphics, so whats a good gfx card he should get?

also, is there anything else he would need to upgrade to make sc2 playable and enjoyable?


That CPU is perhaps borderline for running the game smoothly, if there's a lot of stuff going on. RAM as you say should be upgraded. An extra 2 GB stick of DDR2 RAM should be enough.

The specs list that full-height PCI-E cards are usable, if I'm reading it right. The PSU wattage listed, case form factor, and graphics settings want all indicate the HD 5670 as the most appropriate option. Probably a HD 5570 or HD 5550 would be okay too, since I'm assuming the screen resolution on that monitor isn't that high.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 06:31:59
September 19 2010 06:06 GMT
#1550
Pretty much wasted everyone's time in this thread as Fry's just came out with more deals, and with my increased budget, I'm looking to probably return what I already bought and get other stuff....

So I'm thinking about getting

CPU: i7 930 for $229 + tax = $250

Mobo: Here are Fry's details...

Gigabyte-GA-X58A-UD3R @ $169.99
Newegg Specs for Same Product
$169.99 + Tax = $184.86

Graphics Card

MSI N460GTX Cyclone 1GD5OC GeForce GTX 460 Video Card - 1GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual-DVI, HDMI, SLI-Ready, DirectX 11, w/ FREE StarCraft II Trial Offer & JustCause 2 Download
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6620948&SRCCODE=WEBLET03ORDER&cm_mmc=Email-_-WebletMain-_-WEBLET03ORDER-_-Deals
$224.99 + Shipping = $230.86

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&cm_sp=MyNewegg-_-TopSel-_-Pst01Descrip
$80.99 + Tax + Shipping = $89.66

Hard Drive
Already have a 250GB Hard Drive, just need to reformat. Only have about 15% free consistently, should I get a bigger one??

SSD

Ocz Vertex 2 60GB Harddrive @ $151.04
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227550

Case + RAM
COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
and
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model
$204.98 + Tax = $221.89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492953

Fan
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus CPU Cooler RR-B10-212P-G1, for Intel Socket LGA1366/1156/775 and AMD Socket AM3/AM2+/AM2 CPUs
http://www.directron.com/rrb10212pgp.html?gsear=1
$29.99 + Shipping = $38.00


Final Cost: $1161.86 - $500 (from parents for bday) = $661.86. Thanks everyone! Might spend a little more on a bigger SSD, that and the mobo are the only two things I haven't purchased yet.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 19 2010 06:57 GMT
#1551
holy crazy expensive power supply

consider these instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.507648
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.493758
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492783
starleague forever
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 19 2010 07:11 GMT
#1552
On September 19 2010 15:57 a176 wrote:
holy crazy expensive power supply

consider these instead
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.507648
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.493758
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492783


I'm just really worried about power supplies more than anything so I'm willing to spend some more on them, are the other ones you recommended really just as good?
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 19 2010 07:36 GMT
#1553
1) you don't need uber high wattage to run modern components, save for a certain component starting with 4 and ending in 80.

this is a system with a core i7-965 extreme processor:
[image loading]

2) get psu with as many connectors as you need. gtx 460 requires 2x6 pin pci-e connections. mostly everything 500watt and up will have these. you always check the specs page to make sure.

3) cosair, antec, seasonic are top brands.

i linked the ocz because they are hella cheap and get pretty overall good reviews; but if you read the reviews, there are one or two bad eggs. go for the corsair if anything.

starleague forever
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 07:44:49
September 19 2010 07:40 GMT
#1554
Just figured I'd get a 750 w since my current computer has a 750W... what if I overclock or anything? Does that affect wattage I'll need? And the PSU powers more than just the gfx card right?

PS. That particular i7 is fine, right?
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 19 2010 07:48 GMT
#1555
that graph is total system draw, not just the cpu. and cpu overclocking shouldn't even send you over 400 watts. more info and graphs here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/18581/15
starleague forever
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 19 2010 07:52 GMT
#1556
and yea, good pricing on the i7+gigabyte board
starleague forever
kalleralle
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-19 11:06:10
September 19 2010 11:03 GMT
#1557
I don't get why people are buying so expensive CPUs when the GPU always is the bottleneck no matter what for gaming. Getting anything more extravagant than the i5-760 is a complete waste of money if ur mainly gonna use ur setup for gaming. The things worth spending money on in a computer is the PSU, Case and monitor since they're gonna stay with you through multiple builds ye that's where people go cheap.

Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 19 2010 11:26 GMT
#1558
Nice specs you got there FabledIntegral. I am not familiar with Intel system(AMD fanboy) to give you much inputs.
Anway, a 600W power supply is more than enough for your current setup even with heavy overclock, it wont be any problem.
Get the MSI 460 cos MSI provide after burner - the best tool to overclock graphic card.
G.skill are a good brand, nothing to worry about here.

Still, your system looks somewhat in-balance to me...
Terran
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 19 2010 19:03 GMT
#1559
On September 19 2010 20:26 Caphe wrote:
Nice specs you got there FabledIntegral. I am not familiar with Intel system(AMD fanboy) to give you much inputs.
Anway, a 600W power supply is more than enough for your current setup even with heavy overclock, it wont be any problem.
Get the MSI 460 cos MSI provide after burner - the best tool to overclock graphic card.
G.skill are a good brand, nothing to worry about here.

Still, your system looks somewhat in-balance to me...


Inbalance? :o.

Well I'm returning the i5 760 that I got for $159 for the i7 today, and buying the mobo at Fry's, so hopefully everything works out, eh?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 06:21:39
September 20 2010 03:58 GMT
#1560
Bought most of the stuff already, can anyone comment on this SSD?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-167-023&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=true&SelectedRating=5&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=false&IsFeedbackTab=true&SelectedRating5=5&chkPurchaseMark=on&Keywords=(keywords)&Page=1#scrollFullInfo

80GB by Intel... I'm a little scared of the OCZ one after reading that it sounds like they aren't the most reliable company with subpar customer service.

Btw...

Decided on this cheaper power supply, picked it since apparently Corsair is quality

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&cm_sp=MyNewegg-_-TopSel-_-Pst01Descrip

$9 off the price shown since they had the promo code, so it wasn't too bad, around $90 after tax before rebate.
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