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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 20 2011 13:41 andynewin wrote: sweet is there a way to get a ide hdd to work with sata cables like a converter for cheap cause I have a few ide hard drives? Yes, there are adapters and add-on cards for this, here are two: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270269 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124009 | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
I'm thinking about taking the plunge with this to make myself invested and to force myself to get started on actually building a computer. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/11/22/cooler_master_gx_650w_power_supply_review/1 | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
Well, after doing a couple hours of research, I think I might as well just take the plunge. Here's what I came up with, but after what you've said about the power supply, I'm reconsidering, and I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable in these matters can help me. Intel Core i5-2500K - $304.98 Asrock H67M - $94.99 XFX Radeon HD 6850 - $154.99 2x4GB 1600MHz - Included with CPU Samsung Spinpoint F3 - $54.99 Cooler Master RS650 - $29.99 Cooler Master HAF 912 - $49.99 Total Cost: $766.19 Can anyone beat that with better stuff or with comparable stuff and a cheaper price? I know next to nothing so I'd appreciate any help I can get. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
There is a very marginal difference between 1333MHz and 1600MHz RAM, see here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 Besides that, the 1600MHz kit you selected is severely overpriced (even with bundle discount). 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $80 is a much better option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422 Unless you plan on using the integrated graphics provided by the Core i5 2500k, there is no reason to get it with a H67 chipset. The two differences between the standard core i5 2500 and the "K" variant is the stronger integrated graphics and unlocked multiplier provided by the "K". The core i5 2400 @ $190 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 ) would be a good choice. The difference between the different core i5 2x00 processors can be seen here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html If you want to be overclocking, you need a P67 motherboard and would also want an aftermarket cooler. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On April 20 2011 11:24 Myrmidon wrote: It's feasible but much more annoying, since parts are less available and tend to be less compatible. I think the savings are less as well. Some people do it, though I've never tried. Is your old laptop HDD PATA or SATA? A low-clocked AMD dual core with no L3 cache should struggle late game with big armies, though the integrated Radeon HD 4200 or HD 4250 on those is good enough for low at those lower resolutions. If think people are saying that it's playable under those circumstances. If you want to maintain decent fps, you'll probably need better hardware. If you can manage, there are some laptops around $550 with a Core i3-2310M (with Intel HD Graphics 3000). Maybe a deal will put one around $500. That would be a pretty big upgrade both in the CPU and the integrated GPU, so that should play 1v1 smoothly. Is that much better? The gfx card benchmarks show it playing SC2 at 100+ FPS on low, although only 27 FPS on medium. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220866 | ||
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Intel i5-2500K Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3 MSI R6950 2GB Samsung Spinpoint T3 - 1TB 2 x 2GB Muskin Silverline @ 1333 Mhz, 1.5v PSU: Corsair CX500 I installed Windows 7 and the Chipset and Graphic Card drivers. Updated the Windows 7 to last updates... But my systems has a lot of instabilities. I tried a lot of solutions from the Internet. Reinstalled Windows 7. Used several versions, several settings. And I'm without solution. 1. Tried to install SC2 (from DVD - which is totally fine - worked on Windows XP and Vista). a) I get this error, almost every time, with different files (this case ..\TerranSC2-05.ogg), at different completion levels: The file "C:\Program Files (x86)\StarCraft II\Mods\Liberty.SC2Mod\base.SC2Assets : Assets\Music\TerranSC2-05.ogg" could not be written. If this problem persists, please contact Blizzard Technical Support. (MPQTarget::Write/SFileWriteFile) b) I managed once to install it right after defragmenting the disc. And I got the same error many many times while updating it. c) Some times the computer freezes. Some times I get the Blue Memory Dump screen and I need to restart. d) I run it in compatibly mode with Windows Vista. It tells me it needs 1.5 GB System Memory and apparently I don't have it. Which is weird since I have 4 GB. Could some not be active? The W7 tells me I have 4.00 GB installed, 3.49 usable. Done a memory test, told me the RAM is fine. Anyway, in Vista SP2 compatibility mode gives me same problems. 2. If I unpack a file from lots of .r0x files some times it tells me one of the files is corrupt and fails. After several tries it works. 3. Tried to install other games from .iso's saved on HDD and mounted with Power ISO (also tried Daemon Tools). Go some similar error message with error code 1335 -> corrupt file -> corupt disc. 4. Tried on other hard disc, the whole installation from the beginning. Got the same errors and problems but a little toned down. Then finally, in compatibility mode I managed to install SC2 and updat it. But now I can't replicate on main HDD. 5. Also, some times the computer freezes or the Display Drivers fail for no reason. What solutions should I try and What should I do to test that all the components work properly and well with each other? Also, should I upload the BIOS or do something fancy with it? Now it has the default values on and seems ok. | ||
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
There is a high chance that you are just misinterpreting the memory values. Going to " Task Manager (CTRL ALT DEL) > Performance > Resource Monitor > Memory " should give you two values (one in green which is in use, and one in blue which is in standby - both values should add up to your total which is 4GB. If that is the case, you just misinterpreted it and there is nothing to be concerned about. Check the SMART values of your HDD and also benchmark it by using HD Tune ( http://www.hdtune.com/ ). Run memtest86+ ( http://www.memtest.org/ ) for at least four passes to ensure RAM stability. Also run Furmark ( http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/ ) and Prime95 ( http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=205 ) to ensure GPU and CPU are not defective and that load temps are acceptable. edit: Oh I forgot to mention you'll need to monitor the temperatures using RealTemp ( http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ ) and MSI Afterburner ( http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm ) | ||
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
Question 1: Could it be the motherboard? If it is how would I know? Question 2: If all the components are fine, could it be they don't work well with each other? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 21 2011 04:03 ForgottenOne wrote:Question 1: Could it be the motherboard? If it is how would I know? Yes, it could be the motherboard but there is no way to know if it is unless you have another motherboard to test with. Question 2: If all the components are fine, could it be they don't work well with each other? It's possible but highly unlikely. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
MicroCenter page - you have to add it to your cart to see the price; pick a specific store in order to add it to your cart | ||
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ForgottenOne
Romania236 Posts
Like a couple minutes ago when I clicked the utorrent icon in the tray. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 21 2011 04:15 BlasiuS wrote: if anyone's interested in getting an intel core i5-2500k CPU and lives near a MicroCenter, they currently have it on sale for $179.99, that's $45 cheaper than NewEgg, insane! MicroCenter page - you have to add it to your cart to see the price; pick a specific store in order to add it to your cart It's been like that since launch. Microcenter's processor prices are usually always less expensive by a decent margin than Newegg. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 21 2011 02:52 FabledIntegral wrote: Is that much better? The gfx card benchmarks show it playing SC2 at 100+ FPS on low, although only 27 FPS on medium. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220866 A Pentium dual core is about the same as a one of the later AMD dual cores, though the mobility HD 5470 there should be a decent step up from the HD 4200/4250 (though still a little worse than Intel HD 3000 I think). It should be better than the other laptop you linked. You're just going to have to figure out if the difference between okay/good fps lategame on low (like i3-2310M) and playable fps lategame on low is worth ~$100. There don't seem to be definitive benchmarks on these CPUs and GPUs for SC2, so if you've done all the searching around and research, you probably know better than us (or at least me). Under $500, you're probably not going to do better,. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 21 2011 04:38 Myrmidon wrote: A Pentium dual core is about the same as a one of the later AMD dual cores, though the mobility HD 5470 there should be a decent step up from the HD 4200/4250 (though still a little worse than Intel HD 3000 I think). It should be better than the other laptop you linked. You're just going to have to figure out if the difference between okay/good fps lategame on low (like i3-2310M) and playable fps lategame on low is worth ~$100. There don't seem to be definitive benchmarks on these CPUs and GPUs for SC2, so if you've done all the searching around and research, you probably know better than us (or at least me). Under $500, you're probably not going to do better,. All mobile graphic cards and respective FPS for Starcraft 2 can be found here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html And yes, the difference would be worth it for any sane person >.> | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1655 Posts
 Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130571 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102898 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035 HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 DVD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151192 Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042 I would like to keep the total cost below $800, and also make sure that I can use this monitor at its max resolution: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116421 Thanks. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 21 2011 04:53 Myrmidon wrote: I'm not always sure if I trust results on notebookcheck, since they don't list how and under which circumstances the fps is logged. (or do they?) http://www.notebookcheck.net/Our-test-criteria.15394.0.html They don't go much into detail, just "demo or full game if available." Notebook configurations are listed for each of the FPS values though. @Sigrun Your configuration can easily be run on a 400w power supply such as the Antec Earthwatts 380w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033 There is no need to be paying extra for a P67 motherboard unless you need the extra connectivity. A H61 or H67 board such as the Asrock H61M US3/S3 @ $80 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 ) would be perfectly capable. There is no need for RAM with heatspreaders, the ones without and ones with will both perform the same at stock settings. A 2x4GB 1333MHz kit for $80: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424 Antec One Hundred is essentially a revision of the Antec Three Hundred, $10 less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129098 I'm going to assume you have Windows 7. If not, it's going to add another $100 to your total: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754 | ||
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