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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
April 21 2011 02:16 GMT
#4541
I was wondering if someone could look over everything I've chosen and tell me if I've made any noticeable mistakes. I don't know that much about computer hardware, so don't want to buy anything that won't work together or is poor quality. ^_^;;

CPU: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589

MB: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0358107

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102909

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 (I had a lot of trouble figuring out what I should be looking for in power supplies .____.)

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136793

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100

Some of this I can buy at the microcenter nearby, the rest I will be getting from newegg. I plan to use it heavily for graphics programs like Maya and Photoshop, and of course to play sc2. ^_^
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 21 2011 02:29 GMT
#4542
@RedJustice

Yes, everything is compatible. You'll want an aftermarket heatsink though if you are going to be overclocking. I'm assuming you are since you selected a core i5 2500k.

I'm also assuming you are going to do CrossfireX sometime in the future since you selected a Gigabyte UD4 motherboard.

A 750w power supply isn't necessary for 6870 CrossfireX, a 650w would be fine.

You're missing an operating system and a dvd-drive.

If my assumptions are wrong than a lot of money is being wasted on higher-end parts that aren't necessary.
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
April 21 2011 02:59 GMT
#4543
I can get Windows 7 for free through my school and one of my friends has a dvd-drive for me.

I wanted to be able to do crossfire in the future, but didn't feel like I /need/ it right away, and also to be able to overclock.

Thanks for telling me about the power supply. ^_^ I'll get the 650w then.

Finally, what should I look for in heatsinks? I read the first post, but he doesn't really explain too much about them.

Thanks you so much. ^_^
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 21 2011 03:18 GMT
#4544
Crossfire two HD 6870? 650W is borderline overkill for that. I'd get the TruePower New 650W at $80 though. It's considerably better than the TX750 and cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371021

There are a few cheaper motherboards that can do x8/x8 Crossfire, like this one:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0358069

Gigabyte P67A-UD4 should be good, but was there any particular feature it has that you had to have?

As for a CPU heatsink, unless you're pushing high overclocks like 4.7 GHz and above with high voltages (of course this depends on whether your particular CPU sample can handle it), you should be good to go on a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0315397

The price looks a little steep for a 1.5TB drive. You can get two of a good 1TB drive (Samsung Spinpoint F3) for 2 x $55:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-21 04:09:53
April 21 2011 04:04 GMT
#4545
Err the particular feature of that MB was that the microcenter near here is having a sale on it so it's the same price as the one you linked, haha.

Thanks for pointing me to a good PSU. ^_^ I am not planning on any super crazy overclocking, so that CPU sounds great. :D

Didn't think of getting two hard drives, haha. My fail. Thank you very very much! ^_^
Pillowpants117
Profile Joined April 2011
33 Posts
April 21 2011 04:38 GMT
#4546
Hey i know little about the specs of computers, and was hoping i could get some help finding and buying a budget sc2 comp, looking to spend like less than 400$
Tyty

.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
April 21 2011 04:45 GMT
#4547
@skyr
hey are the ncix anniversary sale event something to look forward too? it should be soon and wondering if i should wait to buy til then
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 21 2011 05:01 GMT
#4548
On April 21 2011 13:38 Pillowpants117 wrote:
Hey i know little about the specs of computers, and was hoping i could get some help finding and buying a budget sc2 comp, looking to spend like less than 400$
Tyty


For $400, I hope you're not expecting a great deal or current-gen technology.

This setup should run the game on high settings at lower resolutions though.

Athlon II X3 450 and Biostar 880G MicroATX motherboard - $138
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.624994

XFX GTS 250 512MB DDR3 - $95 ($65)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150513

G.Skill 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB - $37
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098

Lite-On CD/DVD burner - $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

Cooler Master Centurion 5 case and eXtreme Power Plus 460W - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.634455

Be warned that the power supply is kinda crappy and can't actually run 460W. You're not going to want to upgrade to anything that takes more power than the above.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 21 2011 05:17 GMT
#4549
On April 21 2011 13:45 HCmystic wrote:
@skyr
hey are the ncix anniversary sale event something to look forward too? it should be soon and wondering if i should wait to buy til then


It's just going to be their regular weekly sale with just a few more amazing deals that will either sell out or have its price increased after the first hour.

The only sales worth something are their warehouse clearance (BC only) and grand opening sales.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 21 2011 06:47 GMT
#4550
On April 21 2011 11:12 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2011 05:54 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 21 2011 04:38 Myrmidon wrote:
On April 21 2011 02:52 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 20 2011 11:24 Myrmidon wrote:
On April 20 2011 08:52 FabledIntegral wrote:
After having a very positive experience building my own computer after visiting this thread, I am going to ask, is it feasible to build your own laptop? I only have a budget of ~$500, and I'd like to have something that could minimally game such as SC2 on low. I've run into this one on newegg I'm considering if I can't build my own

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157545&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL041911&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL041911-_-EMC-041911-Index-_-LaptopsNotebooks-_-34157545-L016A

supposedly people have said in reviews it can run SC2 on low with 200/200 armies (1v1) without any issue.

Current laptop has a broken screen, not worth fixing it as it's a POS anyways. I think I can get Windows 7 64 bit for free. Could I somehow salvage the HD from my existing Toshiba Satellite C655 (or anything else, for that matter?).

It's feasible but much more annoying, since parts are less available and tend to be less compatible. I think the savings are less as well. Some people do it, though I've never tried. Is your old laptop HDD PATA or SATA?

A low-clocked AMD dual core with no L3 cache should struggle late game with big armies, though the integrated Radeon HD 4200 or HD 4250 on those is good enough for low at those lower resolutions. If think people are saying that it's playable under those circumstances. If you want to maintain decent fps, you'll probably need better hardware.

If you can manage, there are some laptops around $550 with a Core i3-2310M (with Intel HD Graphics 3000). Maybe a deal will put one around $500. That would be a pretty big upgrade both in the CPU and the integrated GPU, so that should play 1v1 smoothly.


Is that much better? The gfx card benchmarks show it playing SC2 at 100+ FPS on low, although only 27 FPS on medium.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220866


A Pentium dual core is about the same as a one of the later AMD dual cores, though the mobility HD 5470 there should be a decent step up from the HD 4200/4250 (though still a little worse than Intel HD 3000 I think). It should be better than the other laptop you linked.

You're just going to have to figure out if the difference between okay/good fps lategame on low (like i3-2310M) and playable fps lategame on low is worth ~$100. There don't seem to be definitive benchmarks on these CPUs and GPUs for SC2, so if you've done all the searching around and research, you probably know better than us (or at least me). Under $500, you're probably not going to do better,.


Are you sure that the 5470 is worse than the Intel HD 3000 in terms of performance? Because notebookcheck is showing the opposite. Well, it shows that they flipflop in performance depending on the game, although 5470 is better for SC2, only marginally. Really have no idea, although I'm guessing that the processor from the i3-2310M would be superior to Pentium Dual Core by a fair amount? Ahhh wish I knew more.

PS. I'm comparing
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131126
with
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220866
at the moment, $50 isn't a huge deal to me but I'm still a little short on cash.

Compare link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006740&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=32|34-131-126^34-131-126-TS,34-220-866^34-220-866-TS


First-gen Core i3-xxxM has inferior integrated graphics. You don't want that for sure.

Anyway, the Intel HD 3000 (12 execution units, between 650-1300 MHz) should be about the same or very slightly better than the HD 5470M, at least in terms of maximum graphics performance. The issue is that the Intel HD 3000 is on the same chip as the Intel CPU, and there's a total power and temperature constraint on the whole thing. If the CPU portion is under heavy load, then the HD 3000 is presumably not going to be able to run at the full 1300 MHz, so it may be slower than the HD 5470M. If the CPU is mostly idle, then the HD 3000 portion can run up to 1300 MHz.

.


Didn't even realize :o. So would you recommend rather the other pentium duo 2.0ghz with the dedicated 5470 for that price range, or do you think I should continue shopping around? Gonna buy it probably tomorrow so advice from anyone is appreciated.
InvincibleRice
Profile Joined March 2011
United States38 Posts
April 21 2011 08:51 GMT
#4551
Planning on building a new computer soon. Here's what I have so far:
newegg wishlist

Here's the relevant information:
+ Show Spoiler +
Budget: Around where it is; 1.3k. Ideally less, but I'm open to spending more.
Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Upgrade cycle: Fairly long (I spent 4 years on the computer that I'm currently replacing)
I play on OCing
I can get Windows 7 for $30
I don't plan on using 2 GPUs


Thanks in advance for any advice. This is my first time building a PC, so any of it would be appreciated.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
April 21 2011 13:27 GMT
#4552
Hi, didn't want to start a new thread. Regarding cards which require two PCI-e power inputs: is it okay to use the two PCI-e plugs that are on the same line from the PSU, or should one use two separate lines? I'm referring to the way most PSU's have several of the same connectors (be it SATA, molex or PCI-e) wired in a series on the same set of wires.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
April 21 2011 13:30 GMT
#4553
yes, that is fine. generally that's what is done because otherwise the cabling gets really messy.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 21 2011 13:38 GMT
#4554
@InvincibleRice

wishlist not public there, so we can't see it.

@Ingenol

Generally it's okay to use both plugs on the same line, but that depends on the overcurrent protection (OCP) trip points that are set. If you have a PSU with multiple +12V rails**, check the distribution of the rails and which plugs they correspond to (CPU power, PCI-E power, SATA, molex, etc.). You just don't want your total power draw on all components on one rail to exceed that rail's OCP limit.

And that won't happen unless (1) the OCP set point is a little low and (2) the rails are distributed stupidly.

**many PSUs advertised as having multiple +12V rails actually don't have OCP set for separate outputs and are thus actually single rail designs. In all but a few units, all the +12V rails are identical in that they're all wired from the same transformer, rectifier, etc. In other words, they all are derived from the same electronics, except that each rail is monitored separately for OCP. Since the power is being drawn from the same electronics no matter which +12V rail they are on, it's not really worse to be drawing a lot more power from one rail than another.
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 21 2011 16:12 GMT
#4555
Okey, I'm tired of my laggy old laptop, with that being said, my budget is around 1100$ (or 7000 SEK), my cashflow will be better around christmas next year when I might be intrested in upgradeing (SDD-disk and possibly crossfire)

I'm thinking something like:

ASUS P8P67 B3, Socket-1155
Intel Core™ i5 Quad Processor i5-2400
ASUS GeForce GTX 460 1GB PhysX CUDA
CORSAIR CX 600W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V PSU
DIMM DDR3 4GB 1333MHZ CL9 (2X2GB)

SAMSUNG DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 22X SATA LS BULK SVART
Western Digital Caviar® Black 750GB
Cooler master miditower elite 430 ATX Black

What do you think? Have I done any major errors, or will this run pretty well?
"More drones!"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#4556
@Warent

The configuration is good but you could save some money.

If you want to overclock, you are going to need a core i5 2500k. If you are not overclocking, step down to a H61 / H67 motherboard.

There are usually better options than a Corsair CX600 and you do not need 600w to run your configuration. The Corsair CX430 would be perfectly capable.
InvincibleRice
Profile Joined March 2011
United States38 Posts
April 21 2011 17:55 GMT
#4557
My bad, here's the public one:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13759091
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 21 2011 18:15 GMT
#4558
@InvincibleRice

Not worth paying extra for memory with lower timings. A 2x2gb 1333MHz 9-9-9-24 kit for around ~$40 would work just as well for gaming.

Since you aren't doing SLI or CrossfireX, a 650w power supply is not necessary. The 450w variant would be powerful enough to run your configuration.

The rest of it is good.
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
April 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#4559
when buying used computer parts for my build online, craigslist, kijiji, rfd, etc
like a gpu, psu, ram, how should i go about buying it to make sure it isnt broken. I wouldn't be able to tell by looking at it, idk if u can tell by looking at it. Always test it out on a pc before buying?
crespo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States16 Posts
April 22 2011 01:51 GMT
#4560
So while I was seating my processor into my mobo and installing the stock heatsink, I noticed something weird. The stock heatsink that comes with my cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846 has a lever on the side that secures the heatsink in place, but when I secure that lever in place, the entire heatsink seems like it's sliding off center a little bit. Is this something I should worry about? Is it worth removing the whole heatsink to check and see where exactly the thermal paste is being applied?
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