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MSY actually does have the i5-2500K. Their online website is still as pathetic as ever, in store they have everything you need.
Check their parts PDF for what they really have - all Australian stores generally dump their inventory in hard to read PDF files.
Its just me but I'd personally buy computer stuff from pccasegear. The prices are generally very similar but you actually get proper post service support. If you do buy from MSY, make sure they're not handing you a motherboard without the B3 stepping because that's something they'll probably try doing.
Sample build from pccasegear:
Intel Core i5 2500K $259.00
Fractal Design Define R3 Black $149.00
Corsair CX-430 Power Supply $65.00
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3-B3 Motherboard $179.00
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB HD103SJ $69.00
Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 $55.00
Gigabyte Radeon HD6850 1GB Overclocked $189.00
CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler $ 33.00
Total $ 998.00
You can dig around MSY to see if you can get it cheaper but that's pretty much the sort of stuff you're looking for. Picking a monitor is easy, just find any TN monitor from Asus, Acer, Benq, or Samsung they're all basically the same.
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I got a monitor, why not i7 btw?
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Because basically nothing but professional applications can actually make good use of 8 threads. Generally pointless for gaming, complete overkill for basic office work, and the i5 2500k gives you already enough performance for everything at stock settings.
If you're not going to get a new monitor and keep running stuff at that resolution, a GeForce GTS 450 is probably more than enough for you. I thought you wanted to get two monitors so I assumed you were wanting to buy new monitors.
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Hmm true, thanks btw, gonna start ordering my parts.
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On March 31 2011 18:12 chuigo wrote:
I got a monitor, why not i7 btw?
U save about 100 bucks, which can be used either to beef up your graphics, or on broccoli.
broccoli is fucking awesome.
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Ok ill repeat and make it clear ( sry im french )
I just buy those piece ( MoBo, GPU , HD andd PSU ) for my new built
MSI P67A-G45 (B3) P67 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E 2PCI SLI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3
ASUS Radeon HD 6850 DirectCU 790MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2XDVI DisplayPort HDMI PCI-E Video Card
Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM
Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan
I forgot to put the RAM in the order  , so now im only missing RAM. My MoBo support 1333 and 1600 ddr-3, but it also say that 1600 must be OC?? what that mean ??? What the best choise for my built that i already buy ?
-G.SKILL F3-12800CL8D-4GBRM Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL8-8-8-24 Core i5 Memory Kit
-G.SKILL F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-10666 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL7-7-7-21 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit
tnx
ps. I know 2x4g prob better option, but ill already bust my bubget by ~ 60$, so ill stick whit 2x2g @ 40$. Like that, i just gona bust it by ~ 100 $ 
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On March 31 2011 19:08 Womwomwom wrote:
Because basically nothing but professional applications can actually make good use of 8 threads. Generally pointless for gaming, complete overkill for basic office work, and the i5 2500k gives you already enough performance for everything at stock settings.
If you're not going to get a new monitor and keep running stuff at that resolution, a GeForce GTS 450 is probably more than enough for you. I thought you wanted to get two monitors so I assumed you were wanting to buy new monitors.
On this, a GTS450 1GB is running quite well for my wife at slightly below max in SC2 for 1680x1050.
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On March 31 2011 15:07 Myrmidon wrote:
@Sfydjklm
For streaming/recording you playing SC2, you want a modern quad core. Video encoding is pretty heavy on CPU usage. As for recording, it depends what you're storing to the hard drive. It shouldn't really matter since you won't have too much disk access while playing, but if you're going to be recording a lot, it may be good to have a hard drive dedicated to that just to be sure there are no problems. Better yet: have the OS/applications/SC2 on a SSD and record data to a separate mechanical drive.
actually very interested what kind of build you would reccomend me.
And also i wonder how did you learn all that stuff? Building PCs gives me nerd chills, but i always wondered where does one start to really learn it in depth without actually dedicating an education to it.
What is your budget?
600ish?
Not really limited, but don't want to waste money either because my demands are rather low.
What is your resolution?
I am currently using 1280x1024. I would love to try higher resolutions but not looking to waste money on it either.
What are you using it for?
Streaming/recording SC2, perhaps other games i play i.e. WoW, Project Blackout, League of Legends. All of the games are fairly low-end but given that i do play some non-SC2 games that puts a little more emphasis on a graphics card i suppose.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I plan to buy a more powerful PC within a year.
When do you plan on building it?
April.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I'd like to have that option on the table unless it will gauge the price upward too much.
Do you need an Operating System?
no.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no
Where are you buying your parts from?
newegg/microcenter.
MC is out of the way but within a feasible distance so Newegg would definitely be the preferred method.
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I was wondering if an SSD is manditory?
I know that it basically reduces the start up time on applications and such, but i'm on a budget and I cannot afford it atm.
Should I just use HDD till I save up enough money and then buy a SSD?
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On April 01 2011 00:43 iloveroo wrote:
I was wondering if an SSD is manditory?
I know that it basically reduces the start up time on applications and such, but i'm on a budget and I cannot afford it atm.
Should I just use HDD till I save up enough money and then buy a SSD?
They're very optional. Most people just boot and run 1-2 games off them for faster read speeds on certain things, due to the cost factor.
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Hey all. I'm looking to upgrade my computer... It's starting to act sluggish. I feel like some component may be failing but I'm having trouble determining what. My gut instinct is to replace my old graphics card with a newer (but still midrange, for the sake of affordability) one and also to double my RAM. What do you think?
My Specs
Motherboard - Gigabyte EP45-UD3l
CPU - Intel Core 2 Due E7400 @ 2.80GHz (64Bit)
RAM - 2x 2Gb Corsair DDR2 (PC2-6400)
Video Card - Gigabyte 9800GT w/ 1Gig memory
What is your budget?
$250ish although I'd like to avoid spending over $120 on any one thing if possible. (e.g. rather than getting a $250 video card i think it would make more sense for me to get a $120 video card and add 4gb more ram... but then again you're the experts)
What is your resolution?
1440x900 (main monitor - what i do my gaming on)
1280x1024 (my second monitor - just shown here for completeness)
What are you using it for?
Mostly just SC2 although i play a little BFBC2, MNC, and a few other things. Also I'd like to do a bit of streaming at a decent resolution.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'm really just looking for some parts to limp into 2012 with. This pc is 2ish years old and I'm planning on doing a full upgrade next year sometime..
When do you plan on building it?
Asap
Do you plan on overclocking?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, but i could be convinced to shop elsewhere if it would save me significant money.
Also, could anyone recommend some sort of diagnostic tool I could use to try and sniff out the problem I'm having? 6 months ago i could run SC2 on ultra at a wonderful FPS and now it lags on medium settings during high-pop battles. BF:BC2 is completely unplayable as well and MNC is borderline. It's not anything stupid like spyware or background processes, i'm sure of that. I feel like it has to do with the graphics card overheating but as far as i can tell the fans are still working fine.
Thanks for the help/advice!
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Eh i figured it was a long shot, thanks for your response (and for the software suggestions). I suppose I'll save up and be back in 6-8 months with a bigger budget for a full computer haha.
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On April 01 2011 03:10 Cider wrote:
Hey all. I'm looking to upgrade my computer... It's starting to act sluggish. I feel like some component may be failing but I'm having trouble determining what. My gut instinct is to replace my old graphics card with a newer (but still midrange, for the sake of affordability) one and also to double my RAM. What do you think?
My Specs
Motherboard - Gigabyte EP45-UD3l
CPU - Intel Core 2 Due E7400 @ 2.80GHz (64Bit)
RAM - 2x 2Gb Corsair DDR2 (PC2-6400)
Video Card - Gigabyte 9800GT w/ 1Gig memory
What is your budget?
$250ish although I'd like to avoid spending over $120 on any one thing if possible. (e.g. rather than getting a $250 video card i think it would make more sense for me to get a $120 video card and add 4gb more ram... but then again you're the experts)
What is your resolution?
1440x900 (main monitor - what i do my gaming on)
1280x1024 (my second monitor - just shown here for completeness)
What are you using it for?
Mostly just SC2 although i play a little BFBC2, MNC, and a few other things. Also I'd like to do a bit of streaming at a decent resolution.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'm really just looking for some parts to limp into 2012 with. This pc is 2ish years old and I'm planning on doing a full upgrade next year sometime..
When do you plan on building it?
Asap
Do you plan on overclocking?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg, but i could be convinced to shop elsewhere if it would save me significant money.
Also, could anyone recommend some sort of diagnostic tool I could use to try and sniff out the problem I'm having? 6 months ago i could run SC2 on ultra at a wonderful FPS and now it lags on medium settings during high-pop battles. BF:BC2 is completely unplayable as well and MNC is borderline. It's not anything stupid like spyware or background processes, i'm sure of that. I feel like it has to do with the graphics card overheating but as far as i can tell the fans are still working fine.
Thanks for the help/advice!
What's your OS? Unless it's 64-bit windows vista or 7 upgrading your ram won't help, as you're limited by your OS, and more ram probably won't help anyways.
Have you given your computer a good cleaning with compressed air? Seriously it helps a lot
Realistically with your budget, the best you can do is buy a GTX 460 and a new HSF and overclock, because you probably aren't using the full potential of your computer. You can't upgrade your CPU without getting new ram and a new MB, so that's no good, and without overclocking if you buy a $250 GPU you'll be bottlenecking yourself
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On April 01 2011 05:23 KOFgokuon wrote:
What's your OS? Unless it's 64-bit windows vista or 7 upgrading your ram won't help, as you're limited by your OS, and more ram probably won't help anyways.
Have you given your computer a good cleaning with compressed air? Seriously it helps a lot
Realistically with your budget, the best you can do is buy a GTX 460 and a new HSF and overclock, because you probably aren't using the full potential of your computer. You can't upgrade your CPU without getting new ram and a new MB, so that's no good, and without overclocking if you buy a $250 GPU you'll be bottlenecking yourself
it is 64-bit windows 7. Actually a few minutes ago i opened up my computer and cleaned it out.... It also turns out one of the plastic heatsink pegs that holds the heatsize into the mobo had broken so my heatsink wasn't even in contact with the cpu. fixing those two things has dropped my average cpu temp by 40% so i expect that to help my performance haah. Do you think upgrading to a GTX 460 would improve my computer's ability to stream? (for ex, i stream at 640x400@25fps and my PC doesn't even like that very much)
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A CPU upgrade would be much better for streaming.
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@skyR,
If I remember reading correctly you have an i5-2500k processor which I am planning on buying as well. I read in the feedback section of Newegg that the integrated graphics only works on a H67 mobo not the P67 chipset. While obviously I have purchased an actual card, (HD 6950 thank you for that suggestion!) I was hoping to just use the integrated video for the initial system boot and then install the card once everything else works. Is this person correct in saying that the integrated video does not work with the P67 mobo or is he retarded  ?
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Cider - you play at a low enough resolution that I think you could get away with keeping the 9800GT (temporarily at least) and moving to a new CPU/mobo/RAM. There's a couple things:
1) To realistically stream without trouble you're gonna want a quad regardless. Whether you go budget (AMD), mid-range (lowest SB) is up to you...but spending an extra $100 or so to get an Intel setup, over the current AMD offerings will go a long way.
2) Your game selection, both SC2 and BFBC2 require high IPC CPUs.
http://www.techspot.com/article/255-battlefield-bad-company2-performance/page7.html
Notice that the CPU-difference is more pronounced at lower resolutions...so you may see an even bigger boost than these guys. B/c of your budget, assuming you are happy with the current GPU quality/settings, I think it makes alot of sense to upgrade your CPU. You will need to stretch it to $370, from $250 though.
We are of course making assumptions that your current PSU is ok, that you'd be fine re-using your current case, HD, etc.
3) Basically, until you move up to a bigger monitor, you can somewhat stagger your GPU upgrade cycle.
@Cornstyle - You need a H67 board to use the IGP, so yes, you will need to find to use your 6950.
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Yes, I have a 2500k.
Yes the person on Newegg is correct. P67 does not offer integrated graphics. Only H61, H67, and soon to be released Q67 / Z68 (?) offer integrated graphics. Keep in mind that you cannot overclock on the H61 and H67 at all.
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