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GTX 460 and HD 6850 are kind of a tossup. The GTX 460 can be overclocked more, so you see quite a few factory-overclocked models in practice that may be slightly faster than the HD 6850 on average. The HD 6850 uses a little less power and only needs one 6-pin PCI-E power connector rather than two.
Actually, there are other PSUs like the SuperFlower Golden King units (Kingwin's Lazer Platinum is one of these, OEM by SuperFlower on that design) that also have fanless mode at low loads. I'm probably forgetting others.
The Enermax Pro87+ 500W is of comparable top-class quality as the Seasonic X series, and it's a little quieter as well under most loads:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194053
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1073-page4.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Enermax-PRO87 -500-W-Power-Supply-Review/1088/1
I would just get the above Rosewill Green Series though. With these units in question and the parts you're going to use, I would think that something else other than the power supply would be a bigger source of noise. For reference, we're looking at a power draw well under 300W if you get a GTX 460 or even lower with the HD 6850.
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OK Guys. Thanks a lot. Since I have a better idea of what to look for I will poke around on a few websites and maybe will find a power supply that suits me better (less$, less W, still silent) than the SeaSonic (or just get the cheaper one -- $70 for what you guys said has the lowest effect on sound might be worth just getting the cheaper) & maybe will find a deal somewhere on a 460 or a 6850 to make my decision there.
Otherwise will buy what was recommended.
Thanks again so much!
edit: Myrmidon didn't see your post as I was typing up my post myself. It's hard for met o choose between the much cheaper Rosewill & the others not knowing what the sound difference is by my own ears. For example, I have an old external enclosure that holds two HDs and has it's own internal PS and fan that is straight up unacceptably loud (perhaps due in part to age, it's several years old) and I'd like the computer to be quieter than that. If we're talking about minute difference far within my threshhold of acceptable (like say, quieter than the heater in my office) then I'd be fine with the rosewill, but I'd be pissed to go with the cheap one and have it put me over the edge. Also saw this one, Corsair TX 650W for 90$ on amazon.. although myrmidon just said the enermax may even be the quietest at $100?
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Hello fine forum folks,
I'd like to tap the expertise here as it very much eclipses my own when it comes to building a computer.
My current rig is 5 years old. I've convinced my wife that it's actually illegal to run a computer that old on the internet, and as such she's agreed to let me build my next computer. This will be my first time building one.
I'll be using it for Photoshop, Video editing (home movie stuff), gaming (SC2, mainly), and such. Here's my planned build:
Case: Antec P183v3
CPU: i7-2600k
MOBO: Asus P8p67 Pro
RAM: 8GB (2x4GB most likely)
PSU: 650W (SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold) or 750W (Antec TP750) – see below
GPU: Nvidia 560, adding a second one down the line in SLI
1x SSD Boot/program drive
2x 7200rpm 1TB HDDs (WD Caviar Black, in my current rig)
1Blu Ray Burner
So here's my question, regarding the PSU:
Is there enough juice in a 650W for this when running two GPUs? I run it through the Antec PS Calculator (http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine), and it comes up with 605W at 90% CPU load and 90% system load. Do I need to account for some cushion above 605W to be safe (and go with a 750W PSU) or can I assume that the 650W would be fine?
Also, anyone able to point me towards a resource on the 'net that will show me what my cost savings would be over time using 80plus bronze versus Gold? Seems like it would be negligible difference in energy bills, am I right?
Thanks in advance for your insight.
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@mockturtle
The TX model is based on a dated design. There are newer and less expensive power supplies such as the Antec Truepower New.
@Olliedog
650W, especially the X650 is more than enough for SLI GTX 560. You'll never going to hit full system load under any normal circumstance. And the difference between Gold and Bronze is negligible yes.
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On March 28 2011 07:54 Olliedog wrote:
Hello fine forum folks,
I'd like to tap the expertise here as it very much eclipses my own when it comes to building a computer.
My current rig is 5 years old. I've convinced my wife that it's actually illegal to run a computer that old on the internet, and as such she's agreed to let me build my next computer. This will be my first time building one.
I'll be using it for Photoshop, Video editing (home movie stuff), gaming (SC2, mainly), and such. Here's my planned build:
Case: Antec P183v3
CPU: i7-2600k
MOBO: Asus P8p67 Pro
RAM: 8GB (2x4GB most likely)
PSU: 650W (SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold) or 750W (Antec TP750) – see below
GPU: Nvidia 560, adding a second one down the line in SLI
1x SSD Boot/program drive
2x 7200rpm 1TB HDDs (WD Caviar Black, in my current rig)
1Blu Ray Burner
So here's my question, regarding the PSU:
Is there enough juice in a 650W for this when running two GPUs? I run it through the Antec PS Calculator (http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine), and it comes up with 605W at 90% CPU load and 90% system load. Do I need to account for some cushion above 605W to be safe (and go with a 750W PSU) or can I assume that the 650W would be fine?
Also, anyone able to point me towards a resource on the 'net that will show me what my cost savings would be over time using 80plus bronze versus Gold? Seems like it would be negligible difference in energy bills, am I right?
Thanks in advance for your insight.
im glad i'm not the only one who simultaneously
1) checked with the wife before buying the computer
2) was happy to see energy saving power supplies
yay for being old
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On March 28 2011 08:22 mockturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:54 Olliedog wrote:
Hello fine forum folks,
I'd like to tap the expertise here as it very much eclipses my own when it comes to building a computer.
My current rig is 5 years old. I've convinced my wife that it's actually illegal to run a computer that old on the internet, and as such she's agreed to let me build my next computer. This will be my first time building one.
I'll be using it for Photoshop, Video editing (home movie stuff), gaming (SC2, mainly), and such. Here's my planned build:
Case: Antec P183v3
CPU: i7-2600k
MOBO: Asus P8p67 Pro
RAM: 8GB (2x4GB most likely)
PSU: 650W (SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold) or 750W (Antec TP750) – see below
GPU: Nvidia 560, adding a second one down the line in SLI
1x SSD Boot/program drive
2x 7200rpm 1TB HDDs (WD Caviar Black, in my current rig)
1Blu Ray Burner
So here's my question, regarding the PSU:
Is there enough juice in a 650W for this when running two GPUs? I run it through the Antec PS Calculator (http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine), and it comes up with 605W at 90% CPU load and 90% system load. Do I need to account for some cushion above 605W to be safe (and go with a 750W PSU) or can I assume that the 650W would be fine?
Also, anyone able to point me towards a resource on the 'net that will show me what my cost savings would be over time using 80plus bronze versus Gold? Seems like it would be negligible difference in energy bills, am I right?
Thanks in advance for your insight. im glad i'm not the only one who simultaneously 1) checked with the wife before buying the computer 2) was happy to see energy saving power supplies yay for being old
I did the same, but my wife is a geek, so the checking was more budget related. (Continued longevity of my current machine was no issue, since the PSU fried the CPU and mobo, in some order or other.) Old fogeys forever.
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Go with MSI as they're a solid company and the design is probably quieter than the others. Sparkle is probably fairly good too since, despite the shifty name, they produce pretty solid mass market stuff. I can't remember but I believe the Galaxy has dodgy VRMs and fan profile (or is that Zotac?).
Between the 768GB and the 1GB, the difference is going to be fairly imperceptible at low resolutions but you'll probably notice it at the late game on Ultra at 1920x1200. Even then, since all you'll be doing is playing Starcraft 2 the main issue will always be your CPU unless its FFA with motherships.
Also Newegg has an i5-2500 for 199 with a coupon code as opposed to 189 for the I5-2400.. worth it to go up for that?
Personally I don't think its worth $10 since its only like 100mhz frequency difference between the two and 2mb difference in L3 cache isn't probably going to change much in terms of Starcraft 2 playability.
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Not much of a difference in SC2 between the 768 and 1GB version until you reach late-game or play with AA on. If you're mostly doing 1s, 768 should do fine. Just keep in mind that the graphics may be improved over the course of two expansions (see WoW as an example).
"worth it" is subjective. The difference is negligible, see for yourself: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0
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@Olliedog:
In that case, if you add a second GTX 560, you'll probably want to add an additional 120mm case fan to put in front, across from where the graphics cards would be. Or maybe you can do that to start with, though it's not important for just a single card. Also, it looks like you don't have a CPU cooler selected. I assume since you got the k-version CPU, you're going to overclock?
For some reason, newegg jacked up the price of the Hyper 212 Plus to $35. At that price, you may as well look at something else instead, like one of these two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185142
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
If you're getting a TruePower New, get the 650W version.
@mockturtle:
MSI's is best of those. As for i5-2500 vs. i5-2400, I think Womwomwom made a mistake. The difference is 200 MHz (turbo boost to 300 MHz difference), but there's no difference in cache. It's the i7-2600 that has 2MB more L3 cache. For $10 more...flip a coin. Either is good.
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Would anybody care to recommended a decent build for me as this is my first time building a comp?
I am just using it for basic purposes and gaming, but i am hopefully going to add photoshop as soon as i get a decent computer. Anyways, I dont need anything too fancy... i was thinking something along the lines of an i5 because of the money and i plan on keeping this on a 2-3 year upgrade cycle. AS for money i certainly want to keep it fairly economical and im a student so it would be nice to keep it under 800 but i dont want to waste my money on a cheapy build either.I'm really not all that sure, but anything is appreciated.
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@ Myrmidon, SkyR, Mockturtle, Jinglehell-
Thanks for the tips. Myrmidon, thanks for taking the time to leapfrog forward a little bit in my build and recommend a cpu cooler. I do plan to get to overclocking, so when I start playing with that I'll drop in one of your recommended cpu coolers. I did plan on throwing in another case fan when I go SLI.
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@Juddas:
I would take skyR's build, with maybe one change. If you think you're going to want USB3, you might want a motherboard that supports that. Take your pick of one of the other socket 1155 motherboards that have USB3, like one of these. Also note that all of these only have two RAM slots, so if you want 4 slots, you'll need something else:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128483
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236
The GA-P61-USB3-B3 seems like an interesting product--H61 chipset with no integrated graphics support (but you wouldn't be using it) to keep costs low on an ATX motherboard.
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OK pulled the trigger. Thanks again so much to everyone that helped.
Went with the original power supply suggestion, the i5 2500, a titanium grey fractal design mid tower case, and a sapphire 6850 card cus it had a rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908
total cost w/ shipping from newegg $1089
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Oh yeah i definitely want USB3, i totally forgot... thanks so much for the build guys! you are lifesavers!
I have a question about the video card though. it says it has an AMD chipset, so is that compatible with the motherboard? or do i really know nothing?
And I would prefer a TB hard drive but how much more would that run me if i get a 7200 rpm one?
I like that GA-P61-USB3-B3 but would i need another graphics card then? because if so would a Nvidia GForce work?
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On March 28 2011 13:34 Juddas wrote:
Oh yeah i definitely want USB3, i totally forgot... thanks so much for the build guys! you are lifesavers!
I have a question about the video card though. it says it has an AMD chipset, so is that compatible with the motherboard? or do i really know nothing?
And I would prefer a TB hard drive but how much more would that run me if i get a 7200 rpm one?
I like that GA-P61-USB3-B3 but would i need another graphics card then? because if so would a Nvidia GForce work?
The graphics card chip is designed by ATI (has been owned by AMD for a while), like all Radeon. That's all that means. The graphics card has a PCI-E x16 slot like all graphics cards these days and is thus compatible with all systems that you can plug those cards into, be they Intel or AMD.
At the moment, $15 more for the 1TB version:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
That motherboard just doesn't support the integrated graphics portion of the CPU, which you wouldn't be using (unless your discrete graphics card fails, maybe, and you want a fallback plan). It supports your Radeon just fine.
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so what will SC2 look like on that build?
and can it run photoshop smoothly?
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Yes it'll run photoshop smoothly and you'll be able to play SC2 smoothly up until thousands of units are on the screen (3v3 / 4v4 endgame).
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OK I just got the new power supply and everything's working! Thanks for the help everyone, downloading updates now, then to transfer files...
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