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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 19 2011 18:44 GMT
#3661
@shmay

Get this power supply instead for $36 ($40 before promo): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

You can also grab a less expensive case such as one of the Coolermaster Elite cases.

Yes, a blu-ray drive will read not only BDs but also DVDs and CDs.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 19 2011 18:52 GMT
#3662
Quick question, for the guys who usually order from newegg, how long does it usually take for them to process payments? I ask because I ordered yesterday and they're still processing. From my experience with other online retailers I don't think it should be taking this long.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 19 2011 18:55 GMT
#3663
On March 20 2011 03:52 DystopiaX wrote:
Quick question, for the guys who usually order from newegg, how long does it usually take for them to process payments? I ask because I ordered yesterday and they're still processing. From my experience with other online retailers I don't think it should be taking this long.


It is usually within the hour. If you ordered after business hours than that's the reason why it isn't processed yet. Orders are usually never ever processed on the weekends.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 19 2011 19:15 GMT
#3664
Ordered around 3-4pm central on Friday, don't think it was that late.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 20:33:56
March 19 2011 20:32 GMT
#3665
On March 20 2011 04:15 DystopiaX wrote:
Ordered around 3-4pm central on Friday, don't think it was that late.


Made the same mistake first time I ordered Newegg. Ordering Friday almost guarantees they don't process you until Monday, with a possibility of not shipping until Tuesday. Much better to order early on a non-Friday weekday, then it usually ships same day.

Edit: If they do process Friday, there's still a good chance they won't be able to ship until Monday, depending on what time of day you got the order in.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 19 2011 20:35 GMT
#3666
Damn was hoping to be building by early next week...oh well.
LHR
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada81 Posts
March 19 2011 23:14 GMT
#3667
What is your budget?

500$-800$

What is your resolution?

1280x1024

What are you using it for?

SC2, like 8+hours/day

What is your upgrade cycle?

2 years

When do you plan on building it?

Now - 1week

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?

ncix.com

My friend suggested a build, ISO feedback plz. :D

NCIX Gaming Bundle Deal Core i5 2500K & MSI P67A-G45 SLI Motherboard

Antec Three Hundred Mini Tower Gaming Case 300 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB & Audio

G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Core i5 1.5V Memory Kit

Samsung SH-S222A/BEBE 22X Dual Layer DVD Writer Black IDE OEM

Antec Earthwatts 650W Power Supply ATX12V V2.2 EPS12V Active PFC 80PLUS 120MM Fan

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 500GB 2.5IN SATA 7200RPM 16MB Notebook Hard Drive OEM

MSI GeForce GTX 460 Fermi Cyclone OC 725MHZ 768MB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini-HDMI DX11 PCI-E Video Card
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 23:58:52
March 19 2011 23:58 GMT
#3668
@LHR

You can save some money:

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB @ $44 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/232142/Western_Digital/WD5002AALX/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57432

Mushkin 2x2gb 1333MHz @ $40
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55546&promoid=1280

Core i5 2400 @ $189 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/232637/Intel/BX80623I52400/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57964

ASUS P8H67-M Pro @ $118
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59325&promoid=1280

For RAM, you don't need 1600MHz for gaming. You can see the performance difference between the speeds explored here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

If you don't plan on overclocking or doing SLI than there is no point in paying a premium for a unlocked processor and a motherboard capable of overclocking / SLI.

You may also want to spend $5 extra to step up to the Antec Truepower New 650W which is semi-modular and comes with a 5 year warranty (as opposed to 3 on the Earthwatts): http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36263&promoid=1280
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 06:09:21
March 20 2011 06:08 GMT
#3669
Just a question about graphics cards, when comparing the 460 vs 560 vs 6950/6970, what is the best value for money? I'm tossing up whether to spend the extra $100 for the 560/6950 because I'm not sure the 460 can play games like Homefront/Shogun 2/Dragon Age 2/Crysis 2 at max settings without lag. I'm considering a 6950 over a 560 because they are the same price and the 6950 can be flashed to a 6970.

Also why is the SpinPoint F3 the 'choice' of HDD for people here? It's $10 more expensive (for me at least) than Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 and $4 more than the WD Green and Seagate Barracuda.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 06:34:31
March 20 2011 06:29 GMT
#3670
GTX 460 is better value for money in terms of fps / $ in most games or FLOPs / $, or something like that. But I don't think it'll play those games at max settings at high resolutions without some fps drops. If it can't do what you want to do, then maybe you can't count it as a good value?

Spinpoint F3 happens to be cheaper or of comparable price in many parts of the world. It has faster sequential speeds than the drives you mentioned and comparable performance elsewhere. WD Green is a power-saving model that's a little slower. Deskstar 7K1000 is an old model. Seagate Barracuda: depends on the exact model and number of platters, just like for the others. I dunno, most 7200 rpm drives are roughly the same these days, especially if you want to compare them against SSDs.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 20 2011 06:31 GMT
#3671
A 6950 1GB is ~$245 while the GTX 560 is ~$250. Keep in mind that the 1GB version cannot be flashed to a 6970. Only the 6950 2GB ($275) can be flashed to a 6970.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 20 2011 06:50 GMT
#3672
On March 20 2011 15:08 GTR wrote:
Just a question about graphics cards, when comparing the 460 vs 560 vs 6950/6970, what is the best value for money? I'm tossing up whether to spend the extra $100 for the 560/6950 because I'm not sure the 460 can play games like Homefront/Shogun 2/Dragon Age 2/Crysis 2 at max settings without lag. I'm considering a 6950 over a 560 because they are the same price and the 6950 can be flashed to a 6970.

Also why is the SpinPoint F3 the 'choice' of HDD for people here? It's $10 more expensive (for me at least) than Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 and $4 more than the WD Green and Seagate Barracuda.


samsung f3/f4 are def the best bang for buck. i would get the GTX 560 ... can pull off some crazy overclocks with that card which will def outperform stock 6950. nvidia drivers much better too, imo.
starleague forever
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 08:42:24
March 20 2011 07:11 GMT
#3673
On March 20 2011 15:08 GTR wrote:
Just a question about graphics cards, when comparing the 460 vs 560 vs 6950/6970, what is the best value for money? I'm tossing up whether to spend the extra $100 for the 560/6950 because I'm not sure the 460 can play games like Homefront/Shogun 2/Dragon Age 2/Crysis 2 at max settings without lag. I'm considering a 6950 over a 560 because they are the same price and the 6950 can be flashed to a 6970.

Also why is the SpinPoint F3 the 'choice' of HDD for people here? It's $10 more expensive (for me at least) than Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 and $4 more than the WD Green and Seagate Barracuda.


WD Green is a slower drive (5400RPM) and I wouldn't trust Seagate with anything high capacity especially if we're talking about USB powered shit. Spinpoint F3 is the fastest, cheapest 7200RPM drive with dense platters.

As for GPUs, Dragon Age 2 murders every single GPU system except for the HD6990 (which isn't really single GPU) at max settings. If you want to get it playable, you are going to need to turn down the anti aliasing and other quality settings like lighting and reflections - it doesn't help that nVidia's drivers seem to dislike Dragon Age 2 so you get bizarre results like HD6950s getting really close to GTX580s at 1920x1080.

No idea about the others: Crysis 2 isn't even out, no one seems to like Homefront, and Shogun 2 is probably going to be more CPU dependent that GPU.

On March 20 2011 15:50 a176 wrote:
nvidia drivers much better too, imo.


The consumer GPU driver quality gap is barely existent these days. The "lol ati has no drivers" meme doesn't exist anymore; drivers are either shit or good and frankly all consumer drivers are shit.

AMD has done a lot of work to fix their failings in the consumer GPU market. Crossfire scaling isn't pathetic like before and driver features like morphological AA can sometimes give you the benefits of AA without as huge of a performance hit.
dandan23
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia101 Posts
March 20 2011 11:10 GMT
#3674
Thx SkyR..
which 4 GB ram do u recommend ? like corsair , gskill , mushkin ?
or is all about the same..
TeamLiquid Fighting!! =3
Braag
Profile Joined August 2010
United States15 Posts
March 20 2011 15:11 GMT
#3675
Current Computer specs

PSU: CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W
Ram :CORSAIR XMS2 4GB
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB
MB :890FXA-GD70 6Gb/s
GPU: GIGABYTE Radeon HD 5870

I also have a SSD on the way.

Would upgrades should I work on getting? I feel like everything is currently able to run Starcraft 2 on ultra, but mid game im still 30~ fps which seems a lot lower than it should be. Is this hardware issue or a software issue?
stilez
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 15:46:25
March 20 2011 15:45 GMT
#3676
What is your budget?
~800-900 $

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Just for stacraft 2.

What is your upgrade cycle?
2 years

When do you plan on building it?
In the next two months.

Do you plan on overclocking?
No.

Do you need an Operating System?
No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.

Where are you buying your parts from?
From a Finnish internet store, either www.verkkokauppa.com or www.jimmspc-store.fi. (Prices there are probably a little bit higher than on newegg and such.)

I also already have a decent graphics card (HD 5770). Is this good enough or should i upgrade it too? I really want to be able to play smoothly on my monitors native resolution of 1920x1080.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 20 2011 17:26 GMT
#3677
@dandan23

Any RAM will work. Just get the brand that is less expensive or the one that you trust more.

@Braag

If you play at 1920x1200, this setup should be powerful enough to handle most if not all 1v1 situations with acceptable FPS. You can try overclocking your processor.

@stilez

With that kind of budget, you are looking at something along these lines:

Intel Core i5 2400 ~$190
MSI / ASUS / Gigabyte / Asrock H67 ~$110
1333MHz 2x2gb ~$40
some mid tower case to your liking ~$100
Corsair / Antec / Seasonic / XFX 500w power supply ~$60 (~$80 for modular)

You should probably test out your graphics card with the new build to see if the performance is to your liking before purchasing a new one. If you don't like the performance that the 5770 provides than you can get a GTX 560 or Radeon 6850 1GB, both are ~$250.
Cornstyle
Profile Joined October 2010
United States147 Posts
March 20 2011 19:06 GMT
#3678
Hey guys I'm looking at building myself a pretty nice rig for gaming, approx $1,200 budget for the tower that needs to last me about 3-4 years at least. I would rather not overclock however if thats how to get the best bang for my buck I have a friend who can help me do it. I have been looking at CPUs right now and I'm torn between three,
1. i-7 2600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115071
2. i-5 2500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073
3. Phenom II X-4 965 Black Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Which of these three would you recommend or a completely different one? I was hoping to spend around $250 on the CPU however if its worth it to get the i-7 I could make it happen. Thanks!!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 20 2011 19:11 GMT
#3679
i5, games generally aren't CPU dependant. You could then save the money and put it towards something else.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 20 2011 19:12 GMT
#3680
@Cornstyle

Decide between the i5 2500 and i7 2600. Current AMD Phenom II processors are out of the question unless of course you are brand loyal and blinded by ignorance.

You can see the performance difference between the processors in this review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested

If you are just gaming than the core i5 2500 will be more than enough. Keep in mind that you need a "K" processor and a P67 motherboard to overclock.
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