EPTI'm making myself upgrade when Broadwell/GTX800 comes out, even though I probably won't need to. Pretty sad when a 6 year old system is sufficient. My brother on the other hand has a 12? year old AMD single core system that can only watch 360p half the time and I can't for the life of me get him to upgrade. He says it's sufficient. Whenever I use it I nearly die at how terrible it is (>5min start up time, else it's extremely slow).
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
I'm making myself upgrade when Broadwell/GTX800 comes out, even though I probably won't need to. Pretty sad when a 6 year old system is sufficient. My brother on the other hand has a 12? year old AMD single core system that can only watch 360p half the time and I can't for the life of me get him to upgrade. He says it's sufficient. Whenever I use it I nearly die at how terrible it is (>5min start up time, else it's extremely slow). | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
 The T5500 Dell workstations at my uni's architecture labs are horribly optimized, seems like Quadro 4000s and quad Xeons arent sufficient. Unfortunately half the students here bought Macs, only later to find that many of the programs we use are incompatible or frustratingly buggy. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Pretty sad when a 6 year old system is sufficient Sufficient? That's a core 2 dual core :D It's at what, 4ghz? A Haswell i5 at high clocks with some fast RAM will be somewhere round about doubling performance per core and quadrupling overall performance if you utilize 4 cores If you're playing a game designed to run on core 2 to appeal to the masses then sure it'll work, but sc2 works on core 2. Doesn't stop fastest overclocked CPU from lapping them many times over due to the great scaling with cpu performance. I'm sure pretty much every CPU bound game, low threaded or not, slows to a crawl compared to a faster CPU, i mean i wouldn't have upgraded from nehalem i7 @4ghz if haswell didn't double my framerates, and i mean, really double in many CPU bound cases (especially sc2) with 4.7ghz cpu and fast ram. 3.6ghz haswell a ton faster than 4ghz nehalem, and i got 60% gains over that from CPU and RAM oc in sc2 minimums I can understand having a slower CPU to some extent, but dual core is just pushing it :D lol from the coolermaster AMA Q. Would you mind telling me which of your products would be best for a 4.5ghz 4770k overclock? A. I'd recommend a CM V1000 80 plus gold power supply. You would have <1% voltage regulation, reliable output and extremely low ripple for better overclocks. Moderate OC, lets throw out the $200 PSU. He wasn't even asking about PSU | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $230.00) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $33.00) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (Purchased For $125.00) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (Purchased For $63.00) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (Purchased For $135.00) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $69.00) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (Purchased For $406.00) Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $69.99) Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (Purchased For $100.00) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $16.00) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (Purchased For $90.00) Monitor: BenQ GW2450 24.0" Monitor (Purchased For $159.99) Keyboard: Logitech G710 Wired Gaming Keyboard (Purchased For $119.00) Total: $1615.98 | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On July 06 2013 20:01 Cyro wrote:lol from the coolermaster AMA Moderate OC, lets throw out the $200 PSU. He wasn't even asking about PSU Was the AMA just some product manager lmao. Have you seen these numbers for BF3 before? Seems like it may be more prudent to go for actual cores over an HT SKU, if it gets to that point later. http://chipreviews.com/main-feature/main-news/frostbite-2s-limit-6-core-performance-in-battlefield-3/3/ SB-E is hardly affordable for most though. Kind of like paying the dual-core premium back in the A64 days (*expensive). Somewhat specialized though, since those without LB/120Hz monitors can't take advantage of that 100+ minimum FPS rate in the first place:p | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
It's great to see games scaling with more cores though. Soldered Haswell-E with 8 cores launching a long time before Skylake could be interesting. A CPU with more cores on an older architecture can't compete in singlethreaded performance with a newer unlocked CPU and rightfully so, haswell is a lot better than sandy bridge in many cases despite all of the crap it has been getting and you can clock higher with fewer cores, likewise i'd expect skylake to be ahead, but +4 cores instead of +2 could be a massive incentive if it doesn't hurt your clocks too much. If i can get a ton of money i could have something like Haswell-E or Broadwell-E and a second 770 in a few years, with custom water, but that's kinda ambitious. I suddenly reached the point where i'm not really having performance issues any more - i used to even stay below 30fps for extended periods of time with maxed armies in 2v2 for example on my nehalem CPU, just from having 800 supply on the map, but my FPS is so much higher now, in a complete other league, like i said double wouldn't surprise me. Hard to justify a CPU upgrade - waiting for someone to make a big performance leap, or those bastards to finally get fibre down so i can actually use more power :D | ||
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citi.zen
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On July 05 2013 06:35 skyR wrote: Amazon is sort.. of expensive? You do not need 16gb of memory for streaming or gaming. Memory is also an easy addition later where-as switching other components are much more complicated. Since your budget is so low, you can't afford to throw money away at additional memory when the rest of your configuration can be improved that would give more of a benefit than additional memory. Newegg has this amazing deal that ends today, G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4gb 2400MHz for $60 (promo code EMCXPVM42 ), http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 BUY THIS ASAP! If you have no intention of upgrading from the ancient 1280x1024 resolution then a Radeon HD7770 would be super overkill and be able to max probably every game today and for the next two years or so. If you have intentions to get a 1080p display later, the 7770 can still do reasonably well but you may want to consider getting a better card like the 7850, GTX 650 Ti Boost, or 7870. No reason to get a 3570k when a 4670k is only $5 more expensive. If you decide to do this then you'll need a Z87 board instead so if you want to stick to Amazon, I'd suggest a Gigabyte Z87M-D3H or MSI Z87-G43, both of which are $120. Though I strongly suggest you purchase a bundle at Newegg, like this Core i5 4670k & Gigabyte Z87X-D3H combo at $355 with promo code Z87MB702 , ends 7/7: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355051 You can also pricematch the 4670k with Amazon's price of $225 (though I have no experience with Newegg's Iron Egg guarantee so I'm not sure if you can do that if you purchase the item in a bundle). But even if you can't pricematch, it's only $10 more than a 4670k + Z87M-D3H / Z87-G43 (both worse). And why do you need a new OS, you can just re-use the one that came with your Dell unless that's like an XP or Vista key. And I'd suggest getting a NZXT Soruce 210 for $35 ($25 after mail in rebate) at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146076 Most things are just better at Newegg unfortunately. Many thanks for the help skyR. As I mentioned, I have amazon gift cards I must use. Also, the Dell I have has an OEM version of Win7, which I believe will not install on another computer. Changed the case, mobo and cpu and added a 7770 card, per your suggestions. Also found 16gb of 2400 ram discounted to ~100. Good to go? + Show Spoiler + Windows 8 System Builder OEM DVD 64-Bit - Microsoft Software; DVD-ROM $89.74 Patriot Extreme Performance Viper 3 Series 16 DDR3 2400 Kit - PC3 19200 - PV316G240C0K - Patriot $103.65 Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHZ 1 GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 11201-17-20G - SAPPHIRE $104.99 Gigabyte Z87 LGA 1150 CrossFireX DVI/HDMI mATX Motherboard (GA-Z87M-D3H) - Gigabyte $119.99 NZXT Technologies Source 210 Computer Case (Black) - NZXT Technologies $39.99 Intel Core i5-4670K Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.4 GHZ 6 MB Cache - BX80646I54670K - Intel $225.49 Arctic Silver 5 Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound Paste 3.5g - Artic Silver $8.22 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Close to stock volts is good though, i mean my CPU can do 4.5 on +0.07vcore cause it's good, could probably do 4.3 on stock volts. That's hardly anything. 4.7 on +0.19 is another story though | ||
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skyR
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citi.zen
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Cyro - thanks. I will not go anywhere that high :-) | ||
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Ata
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SAMSUNG 840 Series 120GB - MZ-7TD120BW - $90+$5 shipping+tax http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188 | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
Basic info: I'm running one 1920x1080 monitor, would like to upgrade to dual monitors somewhere in the next year, but not immediately. PC mainly used for gaming, maybe some streaming, no hardcore video encoding, or graphic design work. My budget... looking to keep it around $1k, don't mind going a little bit over if it's significantly more bang-for-buck sorta thing. Would prefer using Newegg as I have their gold acct or w/e it's called. I generally upgrade/rebuild every 3-4 years, so having the ability to replace 1-2 pieces and keep running is desirable, but not mandatory :D I did some of my own browsing, put some stuff together that seemed decent, and actually found one of their ... "combo deals" that seemed decent, would love some thoughts on whether it's actually gonna be a good buy, etc. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1328722 If there's any more info people need to give me some feedback, please ask! Like I said, I'm humbly requesting advice, don't want to be a nuisance Thanks! | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Overall: 4/10 E: I'm putting together a List, so watch me get Sniped. + Show Spoiler [I got sniped] + i5-4670K & ASUS GTX 660 $435.98 ($20MIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355428 Cooler Master Hyper 212+ $23.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 ASRock Z87M Extreme4 $137.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157373 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 c9 1.5v $52.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313345 Samsung 840 250GB $189.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147186 Rosewill Line-M & Rosewill Capstone 450M $109.98 $5 off w/ promo code JUL4THEX07, ends 7/8 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1354939 DVD Burner $19.99 $3 off w/ promo code EMCXNXR32, ends 7/11 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Total: $860.93 And if you need more storage: Seagate 1TB HDD $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 Now let's see if I got sniped... | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Intel Core i5 4670k & Gigabyte Z87X-D3H @ $355 (w/ promo code Z87MB702 , ends 7/7) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355051 ASUS GTX 760 DirectCuII & G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4gb 1600MHz @ $318 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1378237 Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Western Digital Blue 1TB & DVD Burner @ $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1385084 Noctua NH-U14S @ $76 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041 Fractal Design Define R4 @ $94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020 Your build is okay for $900 if you don't mind inefficiencies. 2x8gb of memory isn't going to do anything for you in gaming unless you multi-box a game. That case is ugly and bad. GTX 760 is better than a GTX 660 but if you want to lower the price then you can downgrade which would save you like ~$50. Caviar Black is slightly better than a Caviar Blue but this won't be noticeable day to day. It also has a five year warranty instead of the two on the Blue but you probably don't care much since you're considering a bundle. Capstone is better than Corsair TX. 750w is unnecessary for a signle GPU configuration but it does open up the possibility for SLI in the future except the G43 in the bundle does not support SLI so it's sort of stupid. It's not worth replacing the board for SLI and you don't need SLI to play games reasonably well at 1080p. The bundle also does not include an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking the K suffix processor. If you're not overclocking then you're just wasting money on the Z87 board and K suffix processor. I assume you're overclocking since you did pick that bundle with stuff and did read over the OP of this thread and answered every question except the overclocking one and the OS one? Wonder if anyone saw my mistakes >.> | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
Edit: As for the SSD, I had planned on picking one up at some point, I guess I might as well do that now too? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 07 2013 10:25 Leyra wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Eek, sorry, I missed those two. I don't have need of buying an OS, and I've literally never overclocked anything in my life, if it's simple, and worth doing, I can learn, though. Thanks so much for all the information, both of you. :D Edit: As for the SSD, I had planned on picking one up at some point, I guess I might as well do that now too? If you want to add an SSD now to save yourself the hassle later to re-install / move the OS then you can get a Samsung 840 250gb for $165 from NCIX (free shipping): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77211&promoid=1213 Also, Newegg offers price guarantee on some items so you may want to try pricematching the 4670k in the bundle with Tigerdirect for $200: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8037045 Overclocking is worth doing if you play CPU bound games, Starcraft II being one of them, and it'll also help with encoding. You should consider it, you don't have to do it right away if the pc building task is already daunting enough. You can just leave it for like a few months or years down the line. Chances are you're not going to be upgrading from this until ~2017 so it's nice to have the extra oumph or however you spell it. And the 4670k is actually less expensive than the 4670 so... and Z87 boards are only like ~$40 more than H87 boards unless you go for an Asrock B85 board. The big cost difference comes from the aftermarket heatsink but its not so bad since its noise levels are also much quieter than Intel's heatsink. On July 07 2013 09:59 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler + E: I'm putting together a List, so watch me get Sniped You're very slow, did you give up midway? =\ | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On July 07 2013 10:13 skyR wrote: Totals to $977 for much better build. Intel Core i5 4670k & Gigabyte Z87X-D3H @ $355 (w/ promo code Z87MB702 , ends 7/7) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355051 I couldn't find that t.t. Also I would get the ASRock version. ALC 1150 vs 898 and he's not a competitive OCer.. No no no, I look at a lot of combo deals. | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
Do you think a 250gb SSD is necessary if I only play... maybe... 2-3 games at any given time? SC2, dota2, + 1, usually. From what I understand you usually load the OS on there, as well as whatever loading-intensive games you play? | ||
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