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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
June 10 2013 16:56 GMT
#30661
Yeah looking at the card (Gigabyte GTX 770) it'll be spilling everywhere. I may have to pick up some case fans after I get it actually set up and get a look at temperatures. Seems like the rest of the air flow is pretty straightforward though.
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 17:21:07
June 10 2013 17:19 GMT
#30662
You should be fine. GPUs with a multi-fan heatsink (meaning not blowers that exhaust out the rear) work great unless you put more than one in a small space. You already have three case fans. If you're really worried about temperatures you might move one of the intakes and mount it to the side panel if your case allows that. Supposedly having a fan blowing directly on the GPU with an intake from the side panel can really help temperatures there.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
June 10 2013 17:23 GMT
#30663
Well I'm not so worried about the GPU temperature as the overall temperatures, after reading all the temperature concerns with Haswell over the last few pages. I will keep that in mind though, thank you.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
June 10 2013 17:33 GMT
#30664
On June 11 2013 02:19 MisterFred wrote:
You should be fine. GPUs with a multi-fan heatsink (meaning not blowers that exhaust out the rear) work great unless you put more than one in a small space. You already have three case fans. If you're really worried about temperatures you might move one of the intakes and mount it to the side panel if your case allows that. Supposedly having a fan blowing directly on the GPU with an intake from the side panel can really help temperatures there.


Exactly this. My CF 6870s got really hot but I slapped a couple of fans on the side panel and they got to more regular temperatures.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 18:12:11
June 10 2013 17:57 GMT
#30665
On June 11 2013 02:33 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 02:19 MisterFred wrote:
You should be fine. GPUs with a multi-fan heatsink (meaning not blowers that exhaust out the rear) work great unless you put more than one in a small space. You already have three case fans. If you're really worried about temperatures you might move one of the intakes and mount it to the side panel if your case allows that. Supposedly having a fan blowing directly on the GPU with an intake from the side panel can really help temperatures there.


Exactly this. My CF 6870s got really hot but I slapped a couple of fans on the side panel and they got to more regular temperatures.

A side fan really helped with VRM temps on my 7950. I can have a really high overclock of 1200 mhz now and it's all good :D
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 18:14:37
June 10 2013 18:14 GMT
#30666
I might have to try this soon, my 560ti is getting to nearly 90C these days just with sc2 on med at 1440p, even after cleaning/multiple careful repastes.
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Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
June 10 2013 18:24 GMT
#30667
On June 11 2013 03:14 Rollin wrote:
I might have to try this soon, my 560ti is getting to nearly 90C these days just with sc2 on med at 1440p, even after cleaning/multiple careful repastes.

If you don't have a good front fan (I didn't/don't as a matter of fact), the air under the card which is being pulled into the fans becomes stagnant without airflow and heats up. The side fan washes cool air over the PCB and lets the fans suck in air that's a lot cooler.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
June 10 2013 18:52 GMT
#30668
On June 11 2013 03:14 Rollin wrote:
I might have to try this soon, my 560ti is getting to nearly 90C these days just with sc2 on med at 1440p, even after cleaning/multiple careful repastes.


That does sound like a problem, a single card at 90C, playing sc2, in the middle of winter?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 19:27:34
June 10 2013 19:26 GMT
#30669
My 260 gets really hot (80's and fans ramp up) if i put sc2 into a situation where it will run at 99% gpu load. It's pretty normal for a card to get hot/loud when ran at max load i guess, without great airflow
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Hollandrock
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom158 Posts
June 10 2013 21:52 GMT
#30670
On June 10 2013 02:19 MisterFred wrote:
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On June 09 2013 20:00 Hollandrock wrote:
Hi there, I'm looking to build a new computer, primarily for gaming.

Unfortunately, I am relatively clueless about specs within hardware and how to tell if something is good or not, therefore I would greatly appreciate any help!
+ Show Spoiler +

- My budget:
Around £650 / $1000 / €760
- My resolution:
1366*768
- Usage:
Gaming and some simple game design coding.
- My upgrade cycle:
I plan on upgrading the computer about once every two years...
- When:
I plan on buying the computer asap, as my laptop is slowly dieing.
- Overclocking:
I would probably rather not...
- OS:
I have a version of Windows 7 that I am able to use.
- GPU/Crossfire:
I don't really know what this is or whether it would be beneficial for me. Perhaps not.
- Buying parts:
I am living in the UK, and would prefer to buy the parts online. I have some extra money saved for postage if necessary.

Thanks very much!



+ Show Spoiler +

I pulled parts from scan.co.uk for my own convenience. Feel free to shop around the various UK sites (overclockers, aria, amazon, etc.) for better deals on individual components.

Core components: 279 pounds
i5-4670
cheap MSI B85 mobo
2x4gb RAM
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-4670-s-1150-haswell-quad-core-34ghz-38ghz-turbo-1200mhz-gpu-34x-ratio-retail-plus-free
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-b85m-p33-intel-b85-s-1150-ddr3-sata-iii-sata-raid-pcie-30-(x16)-atx
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-(2x4gb)-corsair-ddr3-xms3-pc3-12800-(1600)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-9-9-9-24-15v


Video card: 86 or 153 pounds. Basically, if you're going to be keeping with your current monitor for awhile, there's no reason to spend on anything more beefy than a 7770 (86 pounds). If you plan on upgrading your monitor to a 1920x1080 version soon, then you may want to get a GTX 660 for 153 pounds.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-sapphire-radeon-hd-7770-ghz-edition-4500mhz-gddr5-28nm-gpu-1000mhz-640-cores-dport-dl-dvi-hdmi-p
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-gigabyte-gtx-660-windforce-2x2-28nm-pcie-30-(x16)-6008mhz-gddr5-gpu-1033mhz-boost-1098mhz-cores-

Supporting components: 130 pounds
Fractal Design Core 1000 (note this case will ONLY fit mATX mobos - like the one above - do not buy if you get a full-sized ATX mobo)
Be Quiet! Pure Power L7 430w
Seagate 1TB HDD
DVD-burner
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http://www.scan.co.uk/products/fractal-design-core-1000-black-micro-atx-mini-tower-performance-case-with-120mm-quiet-fan-w-o-psu
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/430w-be-quiet!-pure-power-l7-bn105-80-plus-120mm-quiet-fan-atx-psu
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-seagate-st1000dm003-barracuda-720014-sata-6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-cache-8ms-ncq-oem
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/samsung-sh-224bb-bebe-dvdr-24x-rw-8x-6x-dvd-ram-12x-black-oem


Total: 495 pounds (with the Radeon 7770 for GPU)

In addition to getting a better GPU (see above), there are two other major options for spending more money.
1) Get a better monitor! For instance this good quality 24" 1920x1080 monitor @153 pounds, the BenQ gw2450hm:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-GW2450HM-inch-Full-Monitor/dp/B0081VNAUM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370798076&sr=8-1&keywords=benq gw2450

2) Get an SSD! A good performer like this 120gb Plextor M5S goes for 75 pounds.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/128gb-plextor-px-128m5s-25-ssd-sata-iii-6gb-s-read-520mb-s-write-200mb-s-71000-iops-max

Unfortunately while you have some room to work, you don't have the money for everything you want (new monitor + the 660 gpu + the SSD would be 790 pounds). But you could, say, get the 7770 + the new monitor for 650 pounds. The 7770 will play games on 1920x1080 fine, just not at max graphics settings. Or you could just save some quid & get the base recommendations. Whatever.


Wow, thank you!
I've managed to find a relatively nice 1920x1080 monitor that my friend didn't want. Within a month or so, that should leave me with enough money for all the higher end products you suggested!

Thank you so much!
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
June 10 2013 22:15 GMT
#30671
On June 10 2013 20:02 MisterFred wrote:
If you're a right-hander, look at a Mionix Naos 3200. The ergonomics are incredibly comfy. Seriously. As for keyboard, *shrug*, I just use whatever cheap $5 keyboard is laying around.


Thank for the hint, but unfortunately this mouse is impossible to buy in Germany. I have visited all possible shops. Everywhere you can read something like "out of stock". Looks very nice though, I must admit. Even for 76 Euros.

As for keyboard - it dont necessary has to be Blackwidow. Any mechanical keyboard will do.
Dura lex, sed lex!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 22:36:40
June 10 2013 22:35 GMT
#30672
That mouse is trash for 76 euros. I thought it was like 30.

And honestly, >90% (legitimately) of complaints i see about mechanical boards not working or having a problem are blackwidows, not sure if just due to popularity (because people blindly buy razer stuff) but they don't seem to be good boards. There's a sweet market of mechanical keyboards out there though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 22:46:08
June 10 2013 22:43 GMT
#30673
On June 11 2013 07:35 Cyro wrote:
That mouse is trash for 76 euros. I thought it was like 30.

And honestly, >90% (legitimately) of complaints i see about mechanical boards not working or having a problem are blackwidows, not sure if just due to popularity (because people blindly buy razer stuff) but they don't seem to be good boards. There's a sweet market of mechanical keyboards out there though


Yeh, 76 Euros is just little bit over the top. Still not sure what mouse to take.
About the board - can you advise me one or two? Or the place to inform myself and make my mind on my own? Would be great.
Dura lex, sed lex!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
June 10 2013 22:48 GMT
#30674
I can't really, most of them are solid. Check the keyboard thread here and on www.overclock.net etc

Be careful with mouse sensors. The majority of mice sold are really awful if you compare them competitively and many have many minor if not major flaws that makes them a pain to use; even if you like the mouse shell. Companies don't really put much regard into anything but looks and how much DPI they can advertise (which is useless to anyone looking to be good at using a mouse) and it's just a bad market
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 22:58:04
June 10 2013 22:57 GMT
#30675
Yep, already saw the Mouse suggestion thread. Reading it now. Thank you.

And yes once again - you are right about DPI. The companies think the more DPI the longer penis the owner will think to have. Lmao. For SC2 its even poison, if you have 1800 DPI.
All I need is a solid build, that will serve me good longer than 2 years (most difficult part), Nice LED sensor and ergonomy.

I will read more about this and that mouse and then just go for it. And if I dont like it - I'll just send it back within 2 weeks.
Dura lex, sed lex!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
June 10 2013 23:00 GMT
#30676
On June 11 2013 07:57 S3ph wrote:
Yep, already saw the Mouse suggestion thread. Reading it now. Thank you.

And yes once again - you are right about DPI. The companies think the more DPI the longer penis the owner will think to have. Lmao. For SC2 its even poison, if you have 1800 DPI.
All I need is a solid build, that will serve me good longer than 2 years (most difficult part), Nice LED sensor and ergonomy.

I will read more about this and that mouse and then just go for it. And if I dont like it - I'll just send it back within 2 weeks.


I've been using a G400 for a year now, the G9x (both logitech) seem recommended a lot.

As for a board, I'm using a CM Storm Quickfire Rapid with brown keys, and I'm very happy with it as well. Blues also seem pretty nice. But as you've said, make sure you do your own research into what you might like the most!
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:12:01
June 10 2013 23:11 GMT
#30677
Ive got a question about G400: is its grip good enough? I mean do you force it to stay in the palm or the grip does it itself? Is the surface a rubber one or polished?

Yes, I have already read about browns. I dont like red and blacks so I think I will go with browns. CM storm is good as well. Ive read much positive about it. Some negative points as well, but nothing extraordinary bad.

So i might give a chance to G400/G9x and CM storm a chance.
Dura lex, sed lex!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
June 10 2013 23:58 GMT
#30678
How do you overclock the locked sandy bridge CPUs with the Z series processors? My friend has an i7-2600 and a Z68 mobo, (don't ask me why ) and he is wondering how to do the 400mhz overclock that I'm pretty sure you're capable of doing. Does anybody know how?
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 11 2013 00:01 GMT
#30679
You raise the turbo boost multiplier by 4 (which is the max).
holistic
Profile Joined June 2013
United States21 Posts
June 11 2013 02:15 GMT
#30680
TL, what do you think about ROG VI boards for 4670k?

I am an OC virgin, will I benefit from the features incorporated in the BIOS? Will I benefit from the increased stability from the components? This is in comparison to an ASUS z87-A board.

I plan to use a ZALMAN CNPS9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler that I have from my previous PC. How important is it to upgrade to a H220 for a stable OC on a ROG board?

Also, my build only has 4gb (2x2) of 1600 ram, would I need to upgrade to 8gb if I am only using this pc for schoolwork, internet browsing, and sc2?

Thanks for the insight!

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