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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
The h220 however is extreme cooling, the best cooling you can get without using a custom made water loop or sub-ambient methods. You probably want a midrange air cooler between the Hyper 212 and the Noctua NH-D14 which will set you back $30-70. I can't reccomend lower end than a strong midrange air cooler. I didn't reccomend the 212 for moderate ivy bridge OC (too low end) and haswell is significantly hotter, which is a serious achievement for intel. | ||
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holistic
United States21 Posts
Have temp ranges for haswell failing been reported anywhere that you've seen? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Have temp ranges for haswell failing been reported anywhere that you've seen? What do you mean? And i own a 4770k and a silver arrow. I can tell you that i would expect to be edging to or a even past 1.35v on ivy bridge or laughing my ass off on sandy, but haswell with avx instructions, i probably cant get past 1.25 with stress tests and hyperthreading. On a large portion of cpu's that wont even get you 4.5ghz - and that's with a twin tower dual 140mm fan heatsink There's some pushing towards emulating "real world" uses for setting overclocks now, because the CPU's get so hot in certain situations it's just beyond unrealistic. I mean, i've set an overclock, hit 72c within a minute in Intelburntest and then maxed at 44c in Starcraft 2. edit: Oh are you refering to max temps? 90c worst case is probably fine, but haswell with the integrated voltage regulator and avx2 just BLOWS UP temperature wise in worst case situations (that you will never come close to with anything but very niche hardcore programs) | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
The ROG boards are overpriced and no, as a beginning overclocker you will not use the extra features the boards has. No, you will not benefit from "increased stability", whatever that's supposed to imply. Look for a midrange board, like the Asus Z87-A or Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP Your Zalman should be fine to bring over to the board and not bother with an H220. 4gb should be fine. Though there it's possible that 2x4gb would be nicer, depending on your usage pattern. Spending money there would certainly make more sense than on the H220, at least to me. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
Oh and the current build I have has the Palit GTX770 Jetstream. There isn't much difference between it and the HD7970 right (both are about the same price for me)? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On June 11 2013 08:11 S3ph wrote: Ive got a question about G400: is its grip good enough? I mean do you force it to stay in the palm or the grip does it itself? Is the surface a rubber one or polished? Yes, I have already read about browns. I dont like red and blacks so I think I will go with browns. CM storm is good as well. Ive read much positive about it. Some negative points as well, but nothing extraordinary bad. So i might give a chance to G400/G9x and CM storm a chance. Browns are a good switch to start with. CM quickfire rapid/stealth (pretty sure stealth isnt coming to Europe) and the quickfire TK have better reputations than the Pro. But the Pro is still usable. | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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TheMooseHeed
United Kingdom535 Posts
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On June 12 2013 04:04 TheMooseHeed wrote: What kind of graphics cards are the ps4 and xbox using? Would it be worth buying one of them or just upgrading my 6870 to something better? My understanding is that I will be able to keep my 2500k for the forseeable future due to the strain brought on by next gen being more graphical as opposed to cpu load. Those are semi-custom AMD APUs (combined CPU + GPU). Xbox's GPU side has 768 GCN cores using a fast 32 MB eSRAM cache and backed by 256-bit wide bus to 8 GB of total effective 2133 MHz DDR3 RAM. PS4's GPU side has 1152 GCN cores with a 256-bit wide bus to 8 GB of effective 5500 MHz GDDR5 RAM. GPU core clock speeds seem to be 800 MHz. On the Xbox side, the eSRAM mitigates the relatively slow memory, and for certain things it could conceivably be better than other solutions. PS4 (not sure about Xbox One) should have heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access (hUMA), which is not available on PC systems, so memory accesses between CPU and GPU parts should be easier and more efficient, leading to better performance. So it's not completely comparable to PC hardware. The CPUs are 8 low-power Jaguar cores, which are really slow. Yeah, your i5-2500k is way faster than all those combined. That said, the difference in operating system, more fine-tuned optimizations, tweaks in console versions like reduced settings and rendering at lower resolutions than the display, and so on, mean that again, you can't compare the platform performance so easily. Anyway, desktop HD 7790 is 896 GCN cores at 1000 MHz, so roughly that's somewhere around the PS4, in terms of theoreticals and ignoring all the above. And HD 7790 is roughly around the HD 6870 in performance. On June 12 2013 04:17 xeo1 wrote: well is it still possible to get a smooth laptop for that much for basic stuff? Well yeah, pretty much anything audio-related and web-related runs just fine on modern chips. Uh, except when loading stuff and relying on mechanical hard drives, but that's not going to kill anybody. It's more of the junk-quality build, keyboard, trackpad, screen, etc. that are of concern, and maybe relatively poor battery life and so on. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On June 12 2013 04:04 TheMooseHeed wrote: What kind of graphics cards are the ps4 and xbox using? Would it be worth buying one of them or just upgrading my 6870 to something better? My understanding is that I will be able to keep my 2500k for the forseeable future due to the strain brought on by next gen being more graphical as opposed to cpu load. Well, there's no major upgrade to the 2500k. You can add cores, but that doesn't help for a lot of things. Haswell is only better with avx or certain types of workloads, or with extreme cooling, because it runs something ridiculous like 30-40c hotter with the same cooling and a voltage suitable for high overclocking The ps4 has a GPU somewhere between 7790 and 7850 in strengh AFAIK. Xbox a lot weaker, and both of their CPU's are walked all over by a 2500k. There's room for pretty big GPU upgrades for you to make, if you want to. Modern mid-high end cards should be a big improvement (though i dont know the 6870 very well) Sniped by Myrm***, who is amazing at wording things \o/ GODDAMN M'S | ||
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chaostheory_
England17 Posts
AMD FX-8120. 8 cores at 4ghz turbo. Sandisk Extreme SSD 120gb, 550mb/s read / write speed. MSI socket AM3 Mobo, supports both Radeon and Nvidia cards max 32gb ram 1TB Western Digital HDD 8gb Avexir red series ram, 2x4gb @ 1600mhz. at a price of £489.99, is this a good deal or? i am slightly dubious about the processor as my amd knowledge isnt the greatest, anyone with the knowledge let me know what you think! I will be using it mainly for sc2, footy manager (yea that takes nothing) probably streaming and also music recording via a line 6 ux2 if this helps put into perspective | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Current FX CPU's were considered bad for a lot of things before and we have newer intel CPU's now that are stronger in some areas than the ones fx used to compete with. A 4770k for example can beat the best 8-core FX CPU's even when they have all cores loaded. In a task that will use 4 or less cores heavily, the 4770k is about 60% stronger at the same clock speed. For sc2 and other tasks that don't heavily load a lot of cores, they are worlds apart in performance. The i5 4670k is not notably worse than i7 unless you are using heavily multithreaded work, so it has the same advantages. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vp4Lspb.png) The 8120 would be below the 8350. Edit: 8120 is Bulldozer, not Piledriver. It would be significantly worse than i thought. FX CPU's are suitable for niche uses where you want a lot of multithreaded power at a low budget and don't care so much about singlethreaded. Current gen, Piledriver, is a difficult buy to make vs current intel CPU's, last gen (which you are talking about buying) is just bad pretty much. When the third revision of the fx-8000 cpu's releases (steamroller) it might be a sweet offering. It's just very questionable to buy that CPU for a gaming/streaming system. It's suitable for a low end, cheap offering only and i dont think the price justifies the massive performance loss relative to competitors You can quote for example an i5 4670k for ~£185, a good z87 board for ~£120, a hr-02 macho for ~£37 (for a low-midrange easy overclock), 8gb of sweet ram for £65, add in ssd and i don't even think it's more expensive; but it's almost twice as fast if you are not trying to load more than 4 cores | ||
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chaostheory_
England17 Posts
thanks a lot for the input | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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chaostheory_
England17 Posts
edit, my mate just bough this http://www.awd-it.co.uk/amd-warrior-fx-8350-3.60ghz-asus-m5a78l-m-usb3-motherboard-ddr3-1333mhz-ram-6670-2gb-gpu-gaming-pc.html with the 32 gig of ram, is this a good buy amd again so dont really know, i do know the gfx it comes with is fairly trash but again i have my own already | ||
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