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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 11 2012 22:04 GMT
#21761
doesn't the harddrive cage help with airflow in that case? at least thats what I've read.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 22:07 GMT
#21762
It certainly should, since the drives are out of the way of the airflow. The more isolated and directed airflow is, the better, as a rule. Unless it's isolated and directed idiotically. But where there's less restriction, there's going to be better performance. And that's pretty unrestricted airflow to the CPU cooler. Although I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of an exhaust, it might let a little more hot air rise to the GPU. That's only a guess, though.
HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
May 11 2012 22:07 GMT
#21763
Hello guys i am looking for a new gpu with good value for money. I am playing games like starcraft2,battlefield3,dota2 and diablo III soon so i would like to be able to play smoothly on high settings.
My current specs: i5 2500k, z68 ,4gb ddr3 1333mhz, gts 250 , 500gb Seagate.
My mobo supports both sli and crossfire. Budget could range from 200-300euro.
So what are your suggestions?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 22:13 GMT
#21764
On May 12 2012 07:07 HotCookies wrote:
Hello guys i am looking for a new gpu with good value for money. I am playing games like starcraft2,battlefield3,dota2 and diablo III soon so i would like to be able to play smoothly on high settings.
My current specs: i5 2500k, z68 ,4gb ddr3 1333mhz, gts 250 , 500gb Seagate.
My mobo supports both sli and crossfire. Budget could range from 200-300euro.
So what are your suggestions?


Do you have any actual need for maxed AA/AF, or is a small amount all you care about? Beyond the basic levels, it makes a lot less difference, especially with high pixel density, and it costs a TON to max it. If you just do some AA/AF, price/performance will be much better than if you max it.
HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
May 11 2012 22:22 GMT
#21765
Not maxed AA/AF for sure then :p
I play on 1680x1050 if that helps.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 22:27:49
May 11 2012 22:27 GMT
#21766
On May 12 2012 07:07 JingleHell wrote:
It certainly should, since the drives are out of the way of the airflow. The more isolated and directed airflow is, the better, as a rule. Unless it's isolated and directed idiotically. But where there's less restriction, there's going to be better performance. And that's pretty unrestricted airflow to the CPU cooler. Although I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of an exhaust, it might let a little more hot air rise to the GPU. That's only a guess, though.


Well, which is it that's best for thermal performance? Directed airflow through harddrive bay or open space airflow? Maybe the harddrive cage doesnt fit there anymore though. And yeah, exhaust fans are usually the most important fans, it'd probably improve chassi temperature a bit if he just had one for CPU and the other one as the exhaust. What PSU is he using? I thought the tj08e and ps07b were mostly good for fanless PSUs since it's not isolated from the rest as in most chassis.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 22:27 GMT
#21767
On May 12 2012 07:22 HotCookies wrote:
Not maxed AA/AF for sure then :p
I play on 1680x1050 if that helps.


Then you shouldn't need anything resembling 200-300 euro. Where you buying through?
HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
May 11 2012 22:32 GMT
#21768
Big hardware stores in Greece but the prices are kinda awful, if something costs 300$ in US it's around 300euro here.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 22:36 GMT
#21769
You shoudn't need to touch the 300 range even by that pricing. Check your pricing on GTX 560, HD 6850. They're both probably overkill at your resolution.
HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
May 11 2012 22:45 GMT
#21770
Sapphire 6850 (PCI Express , 2GB ) - 200euro
MSI GTX 560s (PCI-Express , GDDR5 , 1 GB) - 190 euro
I could get a 1920x1080 but i am kinda used to my monitor :p
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 22:51 GMT
#21771
Get the 560, IMO. It'll perform roughly similar or slightly better than the 6850, so for less, there's no reason not to get it. You don't need more VRAM anyways, especially at a dinky resolution. You won't max everything, but you'll be close enough.
HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
May 11 2012 22:56 GMT
#21772
ok man thanks very much for your help
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 22:59:06
May 11 2012 22:57 GMT
#21773
Can"t buy off http://www2.hardwareversand.de/home.jsp ?

much better prices off there

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=43022&agid=1004&apop=1

http://www2.hardwareversand.de/1024 MB/45198/XFX RADEON HD 6870 900M 1GB DDR5 DUAL DP HDMI DUAL DVI.article

hd6870 at 143€
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 23:02 GMT
#21774
Wouldn't he get screwed on shipping, taxes, and customs? I mean, that's definitely a better deal, but only if the difference doesn't get taken out of his hide the hard way.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
May 11 2012 23:05 GMT
#21775
Ya thats why i asked, but greece is still part of europe, so i think it would be better.

I know shipping from other countrys in france doesn't cost that much (got some jewelry from the US some time ago, even that was relativly cheap (~30$ if i remember right))
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
HotCookies
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece149 Posts
May 11 2012 23:07 GMT
#21776
i am mostly worried about warranty issues, it's so much easier to visit one of the stores here even if it costs 20euros more.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 11 2012 23:10 GMT
#21777
On May 12 2012 07:27 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 07:07 JingleHell wrote:
It certainly should, since the drives are out of the way of the airflow. The more isolated and directed airflow is, the better, as a rule. Unless it's isolated and directed idiotically. But where there's less restriction, there's going to be better performance. And that's pretty unrestricted airflow to the CPU cooler. Although I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of an exhaust, it might let a little more hot air rise to the GPU. That's only a guess, though.


Well, which is it that's best for thermal performance? Directed airflow through harddrive bay or open space airflow? Maybe the harddrive cage doesnt fit there anymore though. And yeah, exhaust fans are usually the most important fans, it'd probably improve chassi temperature a bit if he just had one for CPU and the other one as the exhaust. What PSU is he using? I thought the tj08e and ps07b were mostly good for fanless PSUs since it's not isolated from the rest as in most chassis.

Directed airflow is better. Having the hard drive cage should direct more of the air from the front fan to the CPU cooler, and I think you're right that results have been confirmed with this design, that leaving the cage in is better.

Exhaust fans are the most important in a typical layout compared to other chassis fans, but here I'd have a hard time believing that the air coming from the CPU cooler here would have trouble finding its way out of the gaping holes in the back or those two vented slots, especially since airflow goes front to back pretty strongly because of the front fan.

Power supplies are isolated here (except if they have some small venting in the sides), as long as they're oriented with the bottom intake facing up, outside of the chassis.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
May 11 2012 23:10 GMT
#21778
Well i know most local stores tend to really SUCK in europe (tried to fidn a job in one here, i stopped after seeing how screwed the prices were, i could never work for people that swindle people like that)

dunno if it is the case in greece, but i can only have high doubts

warranty shouldn't be an issue, it would just take more time to get taken care of maybe
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 11 2012 23:15 GMT
#21779
On May 12 2012 08:10 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 07:27 Shauni wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:07 JingleHell wrote:
It certainly should, since the drives are out of the way of the airflow. The more isolated and directed airflow is, the better, as a rule. Unless it's isolated and directed idiotically. But where there's less restriction, there's going to be better performance. And that's pretty unrestricted airflow to the CPU cooler. Although I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of an exhaust, it might let a little more hot air rise to the GPU. That's only a guess, though.


Well, which is it that's best for thermal performance? Directed airflow through harddrive bay or open space airflow? Maybe the harddrive cage doesnt fit there anymore though. And yeah, exhaust fans are usually the most important fans, it'd probably improve chassi temperature a bit if he just had one for CPU and the other one as the exhaust. What PSU is he using? I thought the tj08e and ps07b were mostly good for fanless PSUs since it's not isolated from the rest as in most chassis.

Directed airflow is better. Having the hard drive cage should direct more of the air from the front fan to the CPU cooler, and I think you're right that results have been confirmed with this design, that leaving the cage in is better.

Exhaust fans are the most important in a typical layout compared to other chassis fans, but here I'd have a hard time believing that the air coming from the CPU cooler here would have trouble finding its way out of the gaping holes in the back or those two vented slots, especially since airflow goes front to back pretty strongly because of the front fan.

Power supplies are isolated here (except if they have some small venting in the sides), as long as they're oriented with the bottom intake facing up, outside of the chassis.


Exactly this. I only mentioned the exhaust as a slight aside. I guess the level of it mattering would largely depend on the HSF static pressure. But on a good tower cooler, probably going to be good enough that yeah, it would still be moving good on the back side and getting out.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:46:54
May 11 2012 23:44 GMT
#21780
the tj08e's front 180mm is very high cfm and creates positive pressure. in a case of this size, you don't really need the exhaust fan to get air moving through it. i do have a fan controller which is always set on low-as-possible and obviously there won't be as much airflow leaving the case if i were to ramp it up. the flipside is the behemoth silver arrow sbe which can pull alot of heat from the cpu so it all balances out, nice and quietly.

i have a seasonic psu and the fan does not spin until ~25% load iirc.

with a larger case with more dead air, the problem is the majority of them use 120mm fans and for quiet computing, they simply dont have the pressure to effectively move air throughout the whole of the case, so exhaust fans are all but a requirement to keep airflow moving.
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