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On April 25 2012 13:28 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 12:16 Malstriks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 08:58 Malstriks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:54 skyR wrote:On April 24 2012 08:28 Malstriks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi there, first time poster in this section of the forum really, so I am a complete noob when it comes to building a computer. I figured that for the end of the school year, I will celebrate by building myself a much-needed new computer for the very first time.
What is your budget?
I would like to spend somewhere between $1000-$1500 (or less obviously) on it. This is pretty flexible, and if need be I can go up to max $2000.
What is your resolution?
Currently using a 1920x1080 resolution.
What are you using it for?
I will be using it for Starcraft 2 and streaming, almost exclusively. I only want to be able to play sc2 on low-medium settings, but with my current computer I have trouble with fps drops in large battles even on all the lowest settings. I hope to build a new one where this won't be an issue.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I don't want/plan to upgrade it often at all. Maybe every few years if needed? I'm not really too sure how to answer this question, but let's assume the only thing I'll be using it for is, as previously mentioned, sc2 and streaming.
When do you plan on building it?
Within the next couple of weeks.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope!
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes I will need one.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't think I will need one for my purposes, so I will say no. But if someone corrects me and I do need a second GPU for my purposes, then yes!
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in Canada, so probably Newegg unless there's somewhere cheaper.
Thanks so much for the help! like i said, i'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff so any constructive help is needed and i would love to answer any questions or anything else you need to know. Overclocking will be very beneficial for a configuration that's sole purpose is for Starcraft II and streaming. Newegg sucks so you don't want to buy from them... it amazes me why Newegg is so popular in Canada when there wasn't even a Newegg Canada until like 2009 and they're not even good. You won't be spending anywhere 2k though unless you spend needlessly. You'll want to ask again when you have a more definite build date since Canadian retailers allow for pricematching and there are weekly sales. Okay thank you, so where would you recommend I buy from? and I will be buying the parts at the end of april or very beginning of may. Just received news that I will be able to buy the parts anytime after this saturday (preferrably as soon as possible) . Thanks again So will you be overclocking or not? NCIX's new sale will be up tomorrow evening so I'll recommend when that time comes.
Yes I will be if beneficial/needed for sc2 and streaming 
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Hihi guys I'm kind of a noob when it comes to building computers and what stuff is for and what it does etc etc. But I would like to build off my current PC that I own. Its specs are as follows.
750 TX Corsair Power supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
250GB Western Digital (don't know the fine details)
GTX 275 nVidia
Intel Core Duo
XFX 780i MOBO (another that I don't know the fine details)
and then Random DDR2 memory
So my plan is to upgrade to the new Ivy bridge that's coming out. I want the quad core i5 K version, I don't know the exact numbers. So that means I'll need to upgrade my motherboard and memory obviously. My question to you is what motherboard would work best for my situation and would I need anything else new besides the memory.
My budget is around 350$. Realistically that probably won't happen since he Processor is 225$ alone so I may be willing to go higher.
PS: my current PC was built in the fall of 2009 if that helps any.
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On April 25 2012 09:46 Blisse wrote:
In terms of performance for silent computers, I believe it goes
Fractal R3 > Antec P183 > Antec P280 == Corsair 550D == NZXT H2 >> Fractal XL
This is based off of sound and cooling, and is probably a bit biased. Consider that the performances change for the R3 depending on whether you use the ModuVents, for the H2 depending on if you mod the front grill, the number, position and quality of the fans used, etc.
I've used the Fractal R2 (WHS case), Antec P183 (main desktop) and Silverstone FT02 (main desktop) in actual builds.
If you block the top vent, the Antec P183 is undoubtedly the quietest one of the three, especially if you have a decent number of hard drives. The sound dampening is the thickest and the hard drive mounts (gooey silicon) are miles better than the ones used in the Fractal R2 and FT02. If the Antec P183 is loud, its because of the god awful Antec TriCools and the poor top grill design (will rattle if there are vibrations).
The Fractal R2 is more flexible so its nice for gaming but its very by the numbers so to speak. The steel is rather flimsy and really depends on the bitumen sound dampening material; the silicon mounts are too thin and too hard. This may have changed but I can't see them doing a radical redesign. I've ditched the sleeve bearing fans because they get really annoying after they start wearing out.
The Silverstone FT02 is rather hopeless outside of very hot computer systems. The 180mm fans are not very quiet, the top exhausts means you'll hear everything and the rubber hard drive dampening might as well not be there. No idea why I bought it.
All of these three cases have no problems with cooling a basic single GPU system so IMHO the only thing that matters is how well they do acoustically. If you want to cool a dual GPU system quietly, the Silverstone FT02 automatically wins. I don't care what benchmarks say, I've actually owned these cases before.
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On April 25 2012 07:29 Shauni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 05:36 vijeze wrote:
Hey TL!
I'm hoping you can help me, as I am rather clueless.!
What is your budget?
About 400, max 500 EUROS (!)
What is your resolution?
1680x1050 would be my general resolution. Might go for up to 1920*1080 if the budget allows it.
What are you using it for?
I'll be using it for games such as Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2 and numerous other games which should be comparible to GW2
What is your upgrade cycle?
semi-yearly, but for now it doesn't matter!
When do you plan on building it?
Next thursday I get the money to be able to buy it, so about that time.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Not per sé!
Do you need an Operating System?
Yep, I own w7 x64 and x32
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
If the budget allows it, otherwise; Nope!
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in the Netherlands, I think that is all you need to know, as long as they can send it to me... I don't really mind!
I own:
A mouse, keyboard, headset and a monitor.
Your answer didn't make it clear, so I didn't include w7, the budget kind of doesn't allow it anyway... hardwareversand.de: BitFenix Merc Beta 31,61 € ASRock H61DE/S3, Sockel 1155, ATX 58,13 € Intel Core i3-2100 Box, LGA1155 102,50 € Seagate Barracuda 7200 500GB SATA 6GB's 65,76 € 2GB Kingston ValueRAM PC3-10667U CL9 (2x) 24,72 € Samsung SH-D163C SATA schwarz 12,15 € HIS HD 6870 IceQ X GDDR5 1024MB Native HDMI 2xDVI 2xMiniDP 143,48 € Super Flower 400W Golden Green Pro 80plus 57,06 € sum = 495,41 € + Shipping costs + 4,99 € = 500,40 € You'll probably have to pay a few euro extra to ship it to Netherlands, I think it's 10 € instead of 5 €
Thank you very much! I will plan to get this setup, thank you very much:D!
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On April 25 2012 16:14 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 09:46 Blisse wrote:
In terms of performance for silent computers, I believe it goes
Fractal R3 > Antec P183 > Antec P280 == Corsair 550D == NZXT H2 >> Fractal XL
This is based off of sound and cooling, and is probably a bit biased. Consider that the performances change for the R3 depending on whether you use the ModuVents, for the H2 depending on if you mod the front grill, the number, position and quality of the fans used, etc. I've used the Fractal R2 (WHS case), Antec P183 (main desktop) and Silverstone FT02 (main desktop) in actual builds. If you block the top vent, the Antec P183 is undoubtedly the quietest one of the three, especially if you have a decent number of hard drives. The sound dampening is the thickest and the hard drive mounts (gooey silicon) are miles better than the ones used in the Fractal R2 and FT02. If the Antec P183 is loud, its because of the god awful Antec TriCools and the poor top grill design (will rattle if there are vibrations). The Fractal R2 is more flexible so its nice for gaming but its very by the numbers so to speak. The steel is rather flimsy and really depends on the bitumen sound dampening material; the silicon mounts are too thin and too hard. This may have changed but I can't see them doing a radical redesign. I've ditched the sleeve bearing fans because they get really annoying after they start wearing out. The Silverstone FT02 is rather hopeless outside of very hot computer systems. The 180mm fans are not very quiet, the top exhausts means you'll hear everything and the rubber hard drive dampening might as well not be there. No idea why I bought it. All of these three cases have no problems with cooling a basic single GPU system so IMHO the only thing that matters is how well they do acoustically. If you want to cool a dual GPU system quietly, the Silverstone FT02 automatically wins. I don't care what benchmarks say, I've actually owned these cases before.
From what I hear the top vent seems to be a problem in the P183 and P280, would installing an H100 make the problem a heck of a lot worse?
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That's what I said. Its a problem but easy to fix in the P183. No clue about the P280 since I've never seen it in person. There's a metal bracing/grill thing at the top. No idea why Antec left it there but its sitting there for no reason. All you have to do is cut it out and the rattling will stop.
![[image loading]](http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image/lemonlime/cases/antec_p183/antec_p183_top1_sm.jpg)
See the circular metal piece? That's the piece you want to cut out. It serves zero purpose whatsoever.
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On April 25 2012 16:14 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 09:46 Blisse wrote:
In terms of performance for silent computers, I believe it goes
Fractal R3 > Antec P183 > Antec P280 == Corsair 550D == NZXT H2 >> Fractal XL
This is based off of sound and cooling, and is probably a bit biased. Consider that the performances change for the R3 depending on whether you use the ModuVents, for the H2 depending on if you mod the front grill, the number, position and quality of the fans used, etc. I've used the Fractal R2 (WHS case), Antec P183 (main desktop) and Silverstone FT02 (main desktop) in actual builds. If you block the top vent, the Antec P183 is undoubtedly the quietest one of the three, especially if you have a decent number of hard drives. The sound dampening is the thickest and the hard drive mounts (gooey silicon) are miles better than the ones used in the Fractal R2 and FT02. If the Antec P183 is loud, its because of the god awful Antec TriCools and the poor top grill design (will rattle if there are vibrations). The Fractal R2 is more flexible so its nice for gaming but its very by the numbers so to speak. The steel is rather flimsy and really depends on the bitumen sound dampening material; the silicon mounts are too thin and too hard. This may have changed but I can't see them doing a radical redesign. I've ditched the sleeve bearing fans because they get really annoying after they start wearing out. The Silverstone FT02 is rather hopeless outside of very hot computer systems. The 180mm fans are not very quiet, the top exhausts means you'll hear everything and the rubber hard drive dampening might as well not be there. No idea why I bought it. All of these three cases have no problems with cooling a basic single GPU system so IMHO the only thing that matters is how well they do acoustically. If you want to cool a dual GPU system quietly, the Silverstone FT02 automatically wins. I don't care what benchmarks say, I've actually owned these cases before.
Eh, to be fair, Antec Tricools are only god awful by completely quiet standards. The LED ones are actually some of the better LED fans available for noise/cooling, if you're looking for a gamer aesthetic AND trying to stay quiet. Particularly if you run them at 1500ish RPM or lower.
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They're awful the minute you turn them up to medium or high. I don't know how anyone can stand that sound character, its beyond terrible. They really sound like a Sanyo Denki San Ace running at moderate speeds, only minus the airflow.
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On April 25 2012 21:20 Womwomwom wrote:
They're awful the minute you turn them up to medium or high. I don't know how anyone can stand that sound character, its beyond terrible. They really sound like a Sanyo Denki San Ace running at moderate speeds, only minus the airflow.
Eh, maybe it's my ears then, they only bother me if they're at max and my GPU fans aren't running high enough to cover it. Is whatever bugs you about them high frequency? That would explain me not having trouble with em.
But like I said, if you want an LED fan, they're still better than most of the ones out there, at least last time I was checking that.
My ears are pretty bad at certain higher ranges.
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On April 25 2012 14:12 Halure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 13:39 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Asrock sucks in Canada. MSI Z77A G43 or G45 are both better and less expensive.
Caviar Black is not a storage drive, Caviar Blacks are 7200 RPM HDDs that are meant for primary or secondary drives and the only major difference between it and a Caviar Blue is the warranty length (Caviar Black has five while Blue has two). Caviar Greens are for storage.
CX600v2 is a bad choice. It's more power than necessary and it's of a lower quality than other units available at the same price.
16gb of memory is extreme overkill for just gaming lol. Why waste $40 on memory for a gaming configuration when you don't even have a 128gb SSD?
A 7850 is about $80 more expensive than a 6870 but the games you mentioned are all jokes on graphical requirements so the choice is up to you. But you can easily afford to step up to a 7850 though.
I'll assume you have pricing figured out. Thanks for the input, I guess I'll drop the RAM to 8GBs. Also, two more questions: Can you suggest any appropriate power supplies? If you were me, would you upgrade to the 7850 knowing that the rig should last 3-5 years?
For the games you mentioned, no. I'd get a 128gb instead of a 64gb one.
XFX Core Edition, Antec Earthwatts (the old ones), Neo Eco, and OCZ ZS are all $60 or less.
On April 25 2012 14:52 FarmI3oy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hihi guys I'm kind of a noob when it comes to building computers and what stuff is for and what it does etc etc. But I would like to build off my current PC that I own. Its specs are as follows. 750 TX Corsair Power supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006250GB Western Digital (don't know the fine details) GTX 275 nVidia Intel Core Duo XFX 780i MOBO (another that I don't know the fine details) and then Random DDR2 memory So my plan is to upgrade to the new Ivy bridge that's coming out. I want the quad core i5 K version, I don't know the exact numbers. So that means I'll need to upgrade my motherboard and memory obviously. My question to you is what motherboard would work best for my situation and would I need anything else new besides the memory. My budget is around 350$. Realistically that probably won't happen since he Processor is 225$ alone so I may be willing to go higher. PS: my current PC was built in the fall of 2009 if that helps any.
Z77A-G43 for $110: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130646 Pick up whatever 2x4gb 1333MHz / 1600MHz cas9 kit that's available for under $40 at the time of purchase.
I assume you have an aftermarket heatsink? Otherwise, you'll want to pick up the Hyper 212+ or similar so noise / temperatures remain reasonable when overclocked.
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I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive.
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On April 25 2012 23:15 JingleHell wrote:
I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive.
I would assume, i should just do it myself then?!
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On April 25 2012 23:20 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:15 JingleHell wrote:
I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive. I would assume, i should just do it myself then?!
Yes. Geek Squad is to tech support what McDonalds is to fine dining.
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On April 25 2012 23:23 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:20 FlyingToilet wrote:On April 25 2012 23:15 JingleHell wrote:
I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive. I would assume, i should just do it myself then?! Yes. Geek Squad is to tech support what McDonalds is to fine dining.
ah, oh well google here i come!
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On April 25 2012 23:28 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:23 JingleHell wrote:On April 25 2012 23:20 FlyingToilet wrote:On April 25 2012 23:15 JingleHell wrote:
I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive. I would assume, i should just do it myself then?! Yes. Geek Squad is to tech support what McDonalds is to fine dining. ah, oh well google here i come!
Youtube has good guides on building PCs and various steps of it.
Hardware canucks has a solid guide. Your new cooler should include a manual, I'd hope, if it doesn't use the stock mounting hardware.
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On April 25 2012 23:29 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:28 FlyingToilet wrote:On April 25 2012 23:23 JingleHell wrote:On April 25 2012 23:20 FlyingToilet wrote:On April 25 2012 23:15 JingleHell wrote:
I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive. I would assume, i should just do it myself then?! Yes. Geek Squad is to tech support what McDonalds is to fine dining. ah, oh well google here i come! Youtube has good guides on building PCs and various steps of it. Hardware canucks has a solid guide. Your new cooler should include a manual, I'd hope, if it doesn't use the stock mounting hardware.
Thanks jingle hell, u seem like you have been building PC's for a while and know quite a lot, and i seen about you just starting a stream like me  but anyways if you need help on your macro and timing to get out of that pesky bronze league i am your man, i am usually on all the time nsflytoilet.161 btw i am only like low diamond high plat level
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On April 25 2012 23:34 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:29 JingleHell wrote:On April 25 2012 23:28 FlyingToilet wrote:On April 25 2012 23:23 JingleHell wrote:On April 25 2012 23:20 FlyingToilet wrote:On April 25 2012 23:15 JingleHell wrote:
I wouldn't trust geek squad for anything more complicated than ripping you off to run 2-3 programs off a thumb drive. I would assume, i should just do it myself then?! Yes. Geek Squad is to tech support what McDonalds is to fine dining. ah, oh well google here i come! Youtube has good guides on building PCs and various steps of it. Hardware canucks has a solid guide. Your new cooler should include a manual, I'd hope, if it doesn't use the stock mounting hardware. Thanks jingle hell, u seem like you have been building PC's for a while and know quite a lot, and i seen about you just starting a stream like me but anyways if you need help on your macro and timing to get out of that pesky bronze league i am your man, i am usually on all the time nsflytoilet.161 btw i am only like low diamond high plat level
Actually it's a combination of luck, paying attention, voodoo, and google skills, but thanks.
I kinda muscle my way through tech stuff, where other guys finesse it. (Figurative, not literal.) I could be more elegant, but results is results.
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Hey guys! I'm currently building a server for personal use, and with that I mean a bit of experimentation and fun :D
My plans for this server is hosting a minecraft server, a counter-strike server with 16 slots(I HEAR they don't use that much memory) and FTP hosting with my private files and possibility of users adding files to that. I also plan on hosting subversion and a MySQL database for my self. There should be max 10 users in total(with the exception of the CS server). The chance of all of them being on at the same time is minimal.
OS is not a concern since I will be using some kind of linux distribution. I was planning on using ArchLinux since I have *some* experience with it. Any suggestions on a different distribution though would be appreciated.
My budget is at 250 euros max. I plan on building it at the start of next month and upgrading is not something I wish to do.
I don't plan on overclocking it 
I live in Denmark and the HP I use for buying parts is edbpriser.dk I have put together a list of stuff I was planning on buying and I wanted an opinion on them before I went and bought it The current exchange rate for the euro to dkk is 1 € to 7.5 dkk
Here is my list:
Processor : Pentium G630T3 MB
Pris: 505 kr (70 euro)
http://www.edbpriser.dk/processor/pentium-g630t-3-mb-oem-bakke-id-5488089.aspx
Cabinet CoolerMaster Elite 342
Pris: 280 kr (40 euros)
http://www.edbpriser.dk/Product/Details.aspx?pid=794799
Motherboard ASUS P8H61-M LX B3 Revision
Pris: 412 kr (55 euro)
http://www.edbpriser.dk/bundkort/asus-p8h61-m-lx-b3-revision-id-5120687.aspx
Power supply Inter-Tech Energon EPS-650W
Pris: 267 kr ( 40 euro)
http://www.edbpriser.dk/Product/Details.aspx?pid=794052
RAM Kingston HyberX blu 2 GB DDR3
Pris 119 (15 euro)
http://www.edbpriser.dk/ram/kingston-hyperx-blu-1-x-2-gb-id-4876487.aspx
I have a 1 TB hdd and I plan on buy some more later on, so dont need to think about that
Am I missing anything? Any suggestions?
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Your Processor is OEM so you're missing a heatsink.
The configuration won't even use 100w so paying for a shitty 650w is a very poor decision.
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