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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 21 2008 17:50 GMT
#161
maybe now that there are so many games and so many teams, people choose favorite teams and just watch those, so the number of viewers is spread out more? What I would like to see are the stats on viewership for the finals of OSL/MSL/PL over the years, and see if that has been increasing or not.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
May 21 2008 17:52 GMT
#162
Well, the future of eSport rest alone in the shoulders of TeamLiquid.net

Maybe GG.net will come win to make a slightly less prestigious league, the GG*SL, equivalent somewhat to the MSL.
WGTCL being broadcast as ProLeague = GG
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
May 21 2008 17:57 GMT
#163
Of note is that Daum had an assload of people viewing the stream just for the OSL matches earlier. Twin match go?
Oh, my eSports
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
May 21 2008 17:57 GMT
#164
I do not believe in StarCraft 2, I think Blizzard will totaly fuck it up. -_-

But this is very silly how dumb game creators are, starcraft is the best rts EVER but ffs, everyone else has had 10 YEARS to do a better game (yes, you can make a better game) or atleast a game that would work as a global e-sport. But more or less every game has been a fail, I think SC2 will join up with them.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 21 2008 17:59 GMT
#165
On May 22 2008 02:52 Leath wrote:
Well, the future of eSport rest alone in the shoulders of TeamLiquid.net

Maybe GG.net will come win to make a slightly less prestigious league, the GG*SL, equivalent somewhat to the MSL.
WGTCL being broadcast as ProLeague = GG



Don't make me go emo :-(
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
May 21 2008 18:01 GMT
#166
On May 22 2008 02:57 NotSupporting wrote:
I do not believe in StarCraft 2, I think Blizzard will totaly fuck it up. -_-

But this is very silly how dumb game creators are, starcraft is the best rts EVER but ffs, everyone else has had 10 YEARS to do a better game (yes, you can make a better game) or atleast a game that would work as a global e-sport. But more or less every game has been a fail, I think SC2 will join up with them.

Only Blizzard have created succesfull esport RTS games ever in history(2 of them), so if we have anything to bet on its them. SC2 will be huge, thats a given, the only question is if it will beat starcraft in greatness or not.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 21 2008 18:35 GMT
#167
On May 22 2008 02:02 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2008 02:00 maybenexttime wrote:
Are you serious? DotA is ruining WC3. ;;


i meant as stupid little stunts not like actual sports T_T to ya know have more of a comedy thing into it.

Better Yet, make episodes like Real Life Progamer or some sort of a progaming movie, like Remember the Lecaf or Boxer I/II/III/IV/V/VI, etc.

that would give mbc/ogn more time to put those kinds of things on

Having to resort to gimmicks (kind of like the ceremonies ; [) isn't a good sign.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
May 21 2008 19:45 GMT
#168
i play fps all my life. and none of them is as hard as starcraft. to me fps is natural. its not stressing etc. u just jump in. starcraft is a unique beast. it is the most unforgiving, challenging game there is. by your post i can tell you are very bias. just because u became high level at CS. u want to make believe (by being delusional to yourself, and the world) that it requires as much skill or even more skill than SC. because you want to make yourself feel more special and superior and that you became so high with a game that is "just as hard as SC if not more" in your eyes. you are on an ego trip and as i can see from ur post, you are very defensive about it because u think it ties in with how l33t u are in CS and how ur CS skills is just as "special" or even more "special" than those SC skills. your very immature. now how dare u come here on this SC forum and try prove how special u r cuz u got in high lvl CS and how its more demanding when it is clearly not. im sorry last romantic but i just had to post this.
zimz
Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
May 21 2008 20:05 GMT
#169
On May 21 2008 07:55 Luddite wrote:
This goes against everything else I have read regarding e-sports in Korea. I mean, OK maybe hanbit is thinking of pulling the plug, but that's because they fucking suck! Didn't the last OSL set a new record for viewership? Isn't the GOM TV tournament the largest tournament ever? Aren't there more new players entering than ever? Isn't the foreign community (even us foreigners that watch Korean starcraft) continuing to grow? Didn't they just hire a full time English commentator? Didn't they just launch a minor league? Isn't the Korean navy also thinking about starting a team?

All those things, to me, signal that e sports, particularly brood wars, is here to stay.


I wish you were here so I could give you a hug.
#1 Shuttle Fan.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
May 21 2008 20:38 GMT
#170
But in the end, everything comes down to the viewers. SC2 can be very funny to play, but if it gets boring to watch then it will totaly fail as an e-sport.
perisie xx
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
429 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-21 21:38:10
May 21 2008 21:36 GMT
#171
i´m wondering "how long" it might take for SC2 to actually "become" a decent esport.

was SC immediately awesome, or did it take 1-3 years before people began to realise how awesome it was and began to enjoy spectating and competing in it?

1-3 years is a shit-long time

i suppose SC was unique in that there wasn´t much before it. with SC2 we´ll know what to look for and will more quickly know how good it really is
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 21 2008 21:40 GMT
#172
On May 22 2008 01:46 Caller wrote:
Here's an idea about how to reinvigorate professional starcraft:

add a new format of gaming. Like, make [b]SCV Football[b] a sport. UMS's, Team Melee, 3v3s, 4v4s, 1v3s, things like that. Also add small stakes betting to the mix and you'd probably see some more interest. Just keep the mafia out.


Zergling Soccer gogogo!

Zealot Kendo!!!

Ultralisk Judo!!!

Medic stripping!! o,oV
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
May 21 2008 22:04 GMT
#173
On May 22 2008 06:40 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2008 01:46 Caller wrote:
Here's an idea about how to reinvigorate professional starcraft:

add a new format of gaming. Like, make [b]SCV Football[b] a sport. UMS's, Team Melee, 3v3s, 4v4s, 1v3s, things like that. Also add small stakes betting to the mix and you'd probably see some more interest. Just keep the mafia out.


Zergling Soccer gogogo!

Zealot Kendo!!!

Ultralisk Judo!!!

Medic stripping!! o,oV

also Defense Of The Aliens
"Eyes in the sky."
yangstuh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States120 Posts
May 21 2008 22:08 GMT
#174
SC2 will be a successful esport no doubt, however will it compare to Korean Starcraft esports? Thats a different story.

I will say this, Starcraft 2 will be a more successful esport than WC3 because of a lot of reasons
-cooler, more manlier setting (gritty sci-fi) compared to the more cartoony fantasy warcraft world.
-faster action
-more units
-more death
-no creeping, means more confrontation between the players
-etc.
"Nothing in constant in life, and even 'change' occurs at a constantly increasing rate."
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
May 21 2008 22:49 GMT
#175
On May 22 2008 02:52 Leath wrote:
Well, the future of eSport rest alone in the shoulders of TeamLiquid.net

Maybe GG.net will come win to make a slightly less prestigious league, the GG*SL, equivalent somewhat to the MSL.
WGTCL being broadcast as ProLeague = GG


SC not e-sports, e-sports will be fine with or without TL.

And my other point is I don't really care about Korea in terms of SC2, my hope is that its a worldwide success, I could give a damn about one little country when there's the potential for so many more to be involved.
Strength behind the Pride
ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
May 21 2008 22:50 GMT
#176
i think sc2 will re-boost starcraft in korea (o'rly?). but it doesn't really seem to be declining imo
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
May 21 2008 22:52 GMT
#177
On May 22 2008 07:04 Aerox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2008 06:40 EtherealDeath wrote:
On May 22 2008 01:46 Caller wrote:
Here's an idea about how to reinvigorate professional starcraft:

add a new format of gaming. Like, make [b]SCV Football[b] a sport. UMS's, Team Melee, 3v3s, 4v4s, 1v3s, things like that. Also add small stakes betting to the mix and you'd probably see some more interest. Just keep the mafia out.


Zergling Soccer gogogo!

Zealot Kendo!!!

Ultralisk Judo!!!

Medic stripping!! o,oV

also Defense Of The Aliens


I think you might be onto something with this..
frozenclaw
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada410 Posts
May 21 2008 23:26 GMT
#178
Yeah, I agree that although StarCraft has lost some of its novelty with people who are familiar with it.In my personal experience, StarCraft continues to captivate new gamer's attentions and if people are only introduced to StarCraft in any way as a game that is not "cheesy", I really think that it will have a change to continue to grow or at least provide a good platform for SCII to take off.
I also hope that e-sports and SCII in particular will be able to be played at a level of professionalism and organization like chess.
Famehunter
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada586 Posts
May 21 2008 23:34 GMT
#179
Just wait til SC2 comes out. That will definately be a huge blow to korean esport. As far as BW is concerned for that matter. But then , most of us will prolly be too busy playing the game to really care.

We ll have to wait for the first Korean SC2 tournaments and events to give esport a new breath imo.

On a positive note. It will be very entertaining, exciting and fun to see the birth of a new pro scene as SC2 players master new tricks, strategies and blow our minds away with whole new pimpest plays that even your wildest dreams cannot conceive just yet.
Velox Versutus vigilans
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
May 22 2008 03:37 GMT
#180
On May 21 2008 20:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
The next person to make a post about SC vs CS will be banned. It is not the topic of this thread and only leads to flaming. If you have any lingering arguments, read Skew's post 5 times.

SC is CS backwards!
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