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BlackEyed
41 Posts
On July 23 2026 03:55 WombaT wrote: Brood War. Brood War. What is Brood War? Did you decide to remind people about the existence of a dead game that has no new players and never will? Yeah, I remember. Or do you want StarCraft 2 to turn into another Brood War? Isn’t one enough? Let there be two empty games for a couple hundred old-timers? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 23 2026 05:38 BlackEyed wrote: Brood War. What is Brood War? Did you decide to remind people about the existence of a dead game that has no new players and never will? Yeah, I remember. Or do you want StarCraft 2 to turn into another Brood War? Isn’t one enough? Let there be two empty games for a couple hundred old-timers? Brood War is an example of a game that hasn’t been changed constantly, and still has a healthy player base. Other games change all the time and that works too, it’s really a matter of the game itself and the player base. Stop being an arse | ||
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BlackEyed
41 Posts
On July 23 2026 05:45 WombaT wrote: Brood War is an example of a game that hasn’t been changed constantly, and still has a healthy player base. Other games change all the time and that works too, it’s really a matter of the game itself and the player base. Stop being an arse No one was evaluating the quality of the game. It can be wonderful three times over, but that will not make it any more alive, and new players will not come to it. If a game does not change, it dies. And I do not want that fate for StarCraft 2, at least until StarCraft 3 comes out. And you can keep frothing at the mouth in your ignorance; it will not change the objective reality that the lack of patches has had a bad effect on the game. | ||
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doktordingerdonger
153 Posts
It is after all objective reality that a lack of change has a bad effect on a game. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 23 2026 05:59 BlackEyed wrote: No one was evaluating the quality of the game. It can be wonderful three times over, but that will not make it any more alive, and new players will not come to it. If a game does not change, it dies. And I do not want that fate for StarCraft 2, at least until StarCraft 3 comes out. And you can keep frothing at the mouth in your ignorance; it will not change the objective reality that the lack of patches has had a bad effect on the game. What ignorance, having a different opinion on a patch cadence than you? Fuck off with that nonsense | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2454 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19397 Posts
On July 23 2026 08:21 doktordingerdonger wrote: damn dude, better beg the intern that works for the creator of chess to better come up with a patch that revives the scene, or else it will die! Last patch was 1880 with the addition of en passant. It is after all objective reality that a lack of change has a bad effect on a game. What if the intern is just an AI agent making routine changes? | ||
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lestye
United States4269 Posts
Monthly seems waaaaay too much for a strategy game. Part of the coolness of a strategy game is how the meta changes over time in response to trends. And even then, if we need to shake up the meta, the remedy we have to change things up is the map pool. | ||
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BlackEyed
41 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2454 Posts
On July 23 2026 12:30 BlackEyed wrote: Ugh, there are really people who just want to argue. They are not interested in objective reality or facts. They just live in their own little fantasy world. It is a shame there is no official online player count like on Steam, so you could shove it in those old-timers’ faces. But there are other factors pointing to the game’s declining popularity that are also impossible to argue with: the number of independent tournaments, sponsors, teams, leagues, and players. Anyway, why am I even going on about this - any healthy person already knows that StarCraft II is not going through its best times.If everything was so good, Blizzard wouldn't have stopped supporting the game... You made the specific claim that Brood War is more dead than SC2, and now you say your objective measure with which you derived this "fact" is "the number of independent tournaments, sponsors, teams, leagues, and players". Brood War is literally having a resurgence thanks to the university scene. SC2 tournaments have shut down, then barely came back, while BW tournaments are going strong. The only one denying facts here is you. And I'm not here to try to kick SC2 while it's down, but if you're going to lie about it then people like me may pipe up, not sure what you're expecting. Now, I will give you that I am coming from this from the "pro scene" perspective, because this is teamliquid.net and that's what I'm interested in. From a casual player count perspective, it might be the case that SC2 has more. Probably especially in the west. | ||
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Creager
Germany1965 Posts
On July 23 2026 08:21 doktordingerdonger wrote: damn dude, better beg the intern that works for the creator of chess to better come up with a patch that revives the scene, or else it will die! Last patch was 1880 with the addition of en passant. It is after all objective reality that a lack of change has a bad effect on a game. If only we had daily active player numbers as a way to assess the objective alive-ness of the game! | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
On July 23 2026 12:30 BlackEyed wrote: Ugh, there are really people who just want to argue. They are not interested in objective reality or facts. They just live in their own little fantasy world. It is a shame there is no official online player count like on Steam, so you could shove it in those old-timers’ faces. But there are other factors pointing to the game’s declining popularity that are also impossible to argue with: the number of independent tournaments, sponsors, teams, leagues, and players. Anyway, why am I even going on about this - any healthy person already knows that StarCraft II is not going through its best times.If everything was so good, Blizzard wouldn't have stopped supporting the game... Really the problem is you are making up "facts" as you go. Saying stuff like objectively when it's very much your subjective opinion... It's fine. You want patches, good for you. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 23 2026 17:14 Harris1st wrote: Really the problem is you are making up "facts" as you go. Saying stuff like objectively when it's very much your subjective opinion... It's fine. You want patches, good for you. Didn’t you know personal opinions = objective truth? | ||
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Creager
Germany1965 Posts
On July 23 2026 18:26 WombaT wrote: Didn’t you know personal opinions = objective truth? To be fair he just sounds like he's not a millenial boomer like the majority of us, vibing with the Zeitgeist of social media and on top of that doesn't know about the 'SC2 dead game' meme. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria902 Posts
On July 23 2026 12:30 BlackEyed wrote: Ugh, there are really people who just want to argue. They are not interested in objective reality or facts. They just live in their own little fantasy world. It is a shame there is no official online player count like on Steam, so you could shove it in those old-timers’ faces. But there are other factors pointing to the game’s declining popularity that are also impossible to argue with: the number of independent tournaments, sponsors, teams, leagues, and players. Anyway, why am I even going on about this - any healthy person already knows that StarCraft II is not going through its best times.If everything was so good, Blizzard wouldn't have stopped supporting the game... First of all, there is no Blizzard anymore. Microsoft bought them a long time ago. Microsoft is almost a 3 trillion market cap company. I doubt very much Blizzard games have high enough revenue for Microsoft to be interested even if you somehow add 200K more players to StarCraft. The only case I see Microsoft interested in active development is if they make a subscription model, not one-off purchases for StarCraft 2 and StarCraft 2 became freemium a long time ago. They just sell skins and co-op commanders now. Summarised by AI, so you can see how little part gaming segment is for revenue and this segment already includes Windows/Bing/Xbox, so what is left for Blizzard games is actually less. ![[image loading]](https://i.postimg.cc/tZqVC1jR/Screenshot-2026-07-23-140314.png) Source: Microsoft FY26 Q3 earnings (Apr 29, 2026) https://news.microsoft.com/source/2026/04/29/microsoft-cloud-and-ai-strength-fuels-third-quarter-results/ So overall, I don't really care about the statement you made: "Blizzard wouldn't have stopped supporting the game..." What matters is we have good StarCraft experience as gamers. If there is no game support, it should not be made worse at least. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2844 Posts
On July 23 2026 12:30 BlackEyed wrote: Ugh, there are really people who just want to argue. They are not interested in objective reality or facts. They just live in their own little fantasy world. It is a shame there is no official online player count like on Steam, so you could shove it in those old-timers’ faces. Yeah real shame the data you think probably exists doesn't actually exist to provide objective reality or facts for the thing you've already stated is objective reality or fact. ????????????? I mean I wouldn't even be surprised if BW has a lower active player count than SC2, but even if we had that it wouldn't be that robust of data for proving your point (That mass patches are vital for survival of games in the modern era). You COULD get useful data out of it, but 'sc2 has higher player count than BW in 2026' isn't that useful a data point, if it were even true. I think being a good game is vital for survival of games in the modern era. Patch frequency can play in to that if the game is good and the patches make it better, but if the game is shit and the patches are shit, it won't be saved by patching the game every 24 hours. I think BW and SC2 are also not good games for frequent patching - I don't think volatility supports what is fun in the games, especially when compared to Fortnite or Dota or PoE or whatever. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5546 Posts
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States758 Posts
I don't know, it's an old game. It's either balance by patch by 1 or few dev if we are lucky to have any, or update balance map by community..... which sounds easier? But who knows.... really. | ||
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