EPTWho will win EWC 2025? - Page 2
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1908 Posts
On July 16 2025 07:07 feardragon wrote: Trigger or Astrea It's who you think will win not who you want to win. Being from NA I like those guys too but come on. If you genuinely think they will win I would love to hear the argument. | ||
Waxangel
United States33597 Posts
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On July 16 2025 09:51 Waxangel wrote: You could argue ByuN rode a favorable/abusive meta to his world championship, but no one seems to begrudge him this cause he was very popular. If Classic wins, I would hope people still appreciate the championship similarly I'm not sure that any Protoss win since the early days of Starcraft and Brood War have been seen as legitimate by the community. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
On July 16 2025 09:10 CicadaSC wrote: It's who you think will win not who you want to win. Being from NA I like those guys too but come on. If you genuinely think they will win I would love to hear the argument. Yea, I think they're like super cool and smart and I think smart cool guys will play better I think the finals will be Astrea vs Trigger unless they have to meet earlier. | ||
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mugagadon
American Samoa2 Posts
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rwala
338 Posts
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2259 Posts
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jodljodl
179 Posts
On July 16 2025 09:51 Waxangel wrote: You could argue ByuN rode a favorable/abusive meta to his world championship, but no one seems to begrudge him this cause he was very popular. If Classic wins, I would hope people still appreciate the championship similarly oh, but I do. I do so much. After game 5 on king sejon station I was sooo hopeful dark could actually make a comeback and thus a win happen. His loss next map felt heartbreaking. I always liked byun or at least didn't mind him. But that phase of sc2 I was just angry at him  ) not to take anything away from him. Nobody else was able to do what he did, to use the reapers the way he did. But man, it felt so unfair to me.If Classic wins - which I highly doubt - it will be my new favorite moment in sc2 history replacing soO's win of kespa cup 2015. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
I think a lot comes down to whose practice regimen and mentality holds up best really. Serral’s kind of a pretty bloody good track record in doing his thing, and skipped RSL to do… whatever it is he does. I actually think both herO and Clem have kept in great shape for a while by grinding and seemingly playing every tournament under the sun. However, just very recently they do seem to have dipped a little too, perhaps they’re easing off for EWC, I wouldn’t rule out them burning out a bit/having showed way too much of their play to the competition. Maru is Maru of course. Classic’s been on a curve of gradual improvement into real breakthroughs. Reynor’s shown signs of blowing off the cobwebs. Stranger things have happened, I don’t really see anyone outside of those actually winning the thing. Solar or Cure or whoever could go on a tear I suppose. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1236 Posts
On July 15 2025 07:22 Poopi wrote: I think Classic has the best shot, protoss is super strong atm and he got good PvP so should be able to beat herO. herO is not as proficient as Classic in PvZ nowadays so I don't see him beat Serral, so I don't see him as that good of a candidate Serral is a favorite too, solid in every match-up albeit not as invincible in ZvP anymore, and might lose to Clem or another zerg Maru has a decent shot if he gets a bit lucky bracket wise, if he can avoid Serral he has a good shot versus the other top dogs except maybe herO, and decent shot vs Classic as well Clem is one of the favorites but dunno if his PvT is enough versus Maru? And he can lose to Classic or Serral So I think we might have an interesting EWC with lots of candidates I agree with most of this. Should be an exciting world championship because there are many serious contenders for the title. Overall, I think Clem and Serral are the two foremost favorites, closely followed by Classic and Maru, followed by hero, followed by Reynor and Zoun, followed by Cure and Rogue, and then the rest of the pack. But I think there is much room for sudden fluctuation. Protoss is much stronger than last year, and many players are very close to each other in skill. Also Clem is in an odd spot because in two of his matchups he is either the best or one of the best in the world, but he still has to manage his weakest matchup, vT. Actually, we must not forget that last year, when he still played TvT, he had the luck of entirely avoiding it on the way to his title. And now his PvT is obviously ridiculously strong for an off-race, but playing in weeklies and playing against builds prepared for the world championship is still a different thing. I could easily imagine Clem unspectacularly dropping out to some Maruesque terran 2-base or 1-base all-ins. Should be good fun anyway. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7180 Posts
Serral, Reynor Maru, Clem herO, Classic and then the underdog long shot candidates like Zoun, Rogue, Cure | ||
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jodljodl
179 Posts
On July 17 2025 18:59 Harris1st wrote: Did we ever have this many candidates who "could" win? Serral, Reynor Maru, Clem herO, Classic and then the underdog long shot candidates like Zoun, Rogue, Cure Off the top of my head, I don't think so. It's awesome, isn't it? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 17 2025 19:23 jodljodl wrote: Off the top of my head, I don't think so. It's awesome, isn't it? You serious?  2015 WCS Global Finals | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7180 Posts
On July 17 2025 19:55 Charoisaur wrote: You serious? https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Global_Finals How dare you don't know every tournament and its participants for the last 12 years off the top of your head?! You fool! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On July 17 2025 20:18 Harris1st wrote: How dare you don't know every tournament and its participants for the last 12 years off the top of your head?! You fool! I mean, In the Kespa era and a couple years beyond almost every tournament had many more championship contenders than this one. Although you have a point that when looking at the last ~3 years we rarely had this much parity at the top | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1284 Posts
On July 17 2025 19:55 Charoisaur wrote: You serious? https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Global_Finals And three of the Top 4 in that tournament, including the winner, would come from the lower WCS Standings...so maybe there is a shot for Astrea afterall? | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On July 17 2025 20:29 Balnazza wrote: And three of the Top 4 in that tournament, including the winner, would come from the lower WCS Standings...so maybe there is a shot for Astrea afterall? The difference in skill between the bottom qualifier and the top qualifier was a lot smaller back then. More competitive era. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1284 Posts
On July 17 2025 21:38 MJG wrote: The difference in skill between the bottom qualifier and the top qualifier was a lot smaller back then. More competitive era. The difference between sOs and not qualifying was 300 points, the difference between herO (1st) and Maru (2nd) was more than 1000 points. The only reason sOs even qualified was because he won MSI Masters, a tournament full of not-BlizzCon caliber players who he only qualified for because Zest dropped out. sOs was two miles and a burger away from winning BlizzCon before it started... Edit: Sorry, difference to not qualifying was ~500 points, I was thinking of Rogue. Point still stands, without lucking into MSI Masters and winning it, sOs wouldn't even have made it to BlizzCon. Leaves only one explanation to me: I'm wrong, Astrea doesn't have a shot. Lancer will win it! | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1923 Posts
On July 16 2025 09:51 Waxangel wrote: ByuN rode a favorable/abusive meta to his world championship you don't say? | ||
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