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On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??
Buff infestors pls !
Nerf marine stim !
There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in.
Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times.
I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.
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Congrats Maru.Further cements his position as top Korean and best of the rest.
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On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??
Buff infestors pls !
Nerf marine stim ! There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in. Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times. I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.
Let's not forget Solar is far more used to Ro16 than ro8. He's just back to his usual self 
Last year was the first time he made Ro8 since 2017, and I think everyone will agree that it was a wee bit easier in 2023 with all the retirements.
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On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??
Buff infestors pls !
Nerf marine stim ! There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in. Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times. I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day.
With Reynor and maybe Rogue participating next season, I think we have a plenty of Zerg gauntlets for Terran and Protoss to deal with.
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On April 16 2024 23:05 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??
Buff infestors pls !
Nerf marine stim ! There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in. Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times. I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day. With Reynor and maybe Rogue participating next season, I think we have a plenty of Zerg gauntlets for Terran and Protoss to deal with.
I'm not going to keep my hopes up too high for Rogue since he is just coming back from the military. Reynor brings the hype, but the last time he was here his run was a big disappointment so I'm keeping my expectations of him measured as well.
I still think Dark and Solar are the two champions of Zerg in GSL for now. Dark has more to deal with in his personal life lately so he might not be practicing as much though, but he also might be more motivated because of it, impossible to know really.
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for some reason this feels empty, perhaps its cuz of the lack of competition and lesser prize pool
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On April 16 2024 23:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 23:05 swarminfestor wrote:On April 16 2024 17:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 16 2024 15:16 Starcloud wrote:
No zergs in the top-4 ??
Buff infestors pls !
Nerf marine stim ! There would have been a Zerg in the top 4 if Shin wasn't so terrible at actually closing out games he has massive leads in. Seriously go back and watch his two series vs Stats. He threw so hard so many times. I don't know what happened with Solar since he went 0-4 in his group even losing to Ryung which I think he should beat, but hey Code S is tough and anyone can have a rough day. With Reynor and maybe Rogue participating next season, I think we have a plenty of Zerg gauntlets for Terran and Protoss to deal with. I'm not going to keep my hopes up too high for Rogue since he is just coming back from the military. Reynor brings the hype, but the last time he was here his run was a big disappointment so I'm keeping my expectations of him measured as well. I still think Dark and Solar are the two champions of Zerg in GSL for now. Dark has more to deal with in his personal life lately so he might not be practicing as much though, but he also might be more motivated because of it, impossible to know really.
Agreed on Reynor, but especially the last time he competed in GSL he was coming in fire-hot and felt like one of the absolute top players in the world. That's obviously still true to an extent, but Reynor really hasn't looked in his top form since his Gamers8 win.
Still, I would give Reynor the highest chance to beat Maru in a Bo5/Bo7 out of any of the GSL players. Still less than 50% chance though.
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As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.
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On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it.
If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic.
He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.
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On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that.
I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning.
And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower?
And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.
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On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that. I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning. And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower? And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.
It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost?
We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat.
Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence.
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On April 17 2024 22:41 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that. I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning. And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower? And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field. It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost? We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat. Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence.
Game 3/4 looked exactly like Game 1. Game 2 was the only one that was close and I still don't buy the entire "ohhhh, infestors soooo OP, poor Maru"-bs. Or that the map is that OP towards Zerg when Terran still has a positive winrate on it...It might be slightly favored for Zerg, but it isn't Lost Temple (RoC), so calm down. Not to mention how disrespectful it honestly is. You (like certain other people) honestly pretend like Serral was just showing up wishy-washy on that 2nd map and didn't do anything. Guy fought like a lion to fend off Maru and like on G1, in the end was the better player on that map aswell. In a game btw that must have been extremly frustrating, considering how generally frustrating it is to crack down a Terran on such a high level.
And even IF we pretend that everything you said is true and poor Maru was just shived by this one map: Not getting tilted is also a skillset which he apparently then lacks hugely. What is that logic? "Maru is the greatest ever, but please don't tilt him that is unfair, only play straightup games. Oh and if he ever has to scan defensively that is cheating and OP, please nerf!!1"?
Just a reminder that Serral last Katowice win was over Reynor and that Bo7 was the equivalent of a bareknuckle fight. So what, Maru would have drowned in that match from the get-go?
Oh, as an addendum: You are correct in one aspect, I also was kind of sure that Serral would win after Game 2. Because he proved that he was better than Maru at his best. And as I said earlier, Maru lacks the creativity/willpower/whatever to overcome that.
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On April 17 2024 23:52 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 22:41 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that. I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning. And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower? And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field. It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost? We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat. Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence. Game 3/4 looked exactly like Game 1. Game 2 was the only one that was close and I still don't buy the entire "ohhhh, infestors soooo OP, poor Maru"-bs. Or that the map is that OP towards Zerg when Terran still has a positive winrate on it...It might be slightly favored for Zerg, but it isn't Lost Temple (RoC), so calm down. Not to mention how disrespectful it honestly is. You (like certain other people) honestly pretend like Serral was just showing up wishy-washy on that 2nd map and didn't do anything. Guy fought like a lion to fend off Maru and like on G1, in the end was the better player on that map aswell. In a game btw that must have been extremly frustrating, considering how generally frustrating it is to crack down a Terran on such a high level. And even IF we pretend that everything you said is true and poor Maru was just shived by this one map: Not getting tilted is also a skillset which he apparently then lacks hugely. What is that logic? "Maru is the greatest ever, but please don't tilt him that is unfair, only play straightup games. Oh and if he ever has to scan defensively that is cheating and OP, please nerf!!1"? Just a reminder that Serral last Katowice win was over Reynor and that Bo7 was the equivalent of a bareknuckle fight. So what, Maru would have drowned in that match from the get-go? Oh, as an addendum: You are correct in one aspect, I also was kind of sure that Serral would win after Game 2. Because he proved that he was better than Maru at his best. And as I said earlier, Maru lacks the creativity/willpower/whatever to overcome that.
There's no point talking to you if you're going to CONSTANTLY put words in my mouth because you're so defensive about Serral.
At no point do I say that Serral didn't win that series or that he wasn't the better player in that series. I'm simply pointing out the fact that he had a map advantage in the critical game that decided the series. If Maru wins that game like I believe he should have, then a 1-1 series going into game 3 is a COMPLETELY different series than down 0-2 going into game 3. Anyone that understands the Bo7 format in any sport understands that.
At the level Maru and Serral play at, they are so good that if you give one of them a map advantage they are almost certainly going to use it to their advantage. Serral had the advantage at Katowice, with this current map pool Maru does now.
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On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that. I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning. And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower? And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field.
I mean, in game 1 and game 3 Maru lost to an allin. Well prepared from Serral, congrats to him, but I wouldn't exactly consider that 'outclassed'. Or did Rogue completely outclass Serral in the bo7 he won in 20 minutes vs him?
game 2 was the only game out of the first 3 (didn't watch game 4 so no idea what happened there) where Maru got to play his game and it was extremely close despite the map being Zerg favored
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On April 18 2024 00:26 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 23:52 Balnazza wrote:On April 17 2024 22:41 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that. I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning. And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower? And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field. It matters because if you watch the series the tone of the series COMPLETELY changed after Ratushet. Maru was defeated after that, he didn't even try to play another game like that again because why would he when despite everything he did to win that game he still lost? We see it all the time in Best of series in Starcraft. One game is the pivotal make or break point for a player, and in that series that's the game that decided it. If Maru wins that game then he stays with that style that was working for him instead of moving away from it like he did into styles where Serral has him beat. Everyone including me, including the casters including the audience all knew that Serral won the series after winning that game. The rest of the games were just a formality. Now you can make the argument that the series wasn't over yet and that Maru still could come back despite being down 0-2, but that's arguing what should happen instead of what actually did happen. Maru was done after that game, you could see it in his play. The fact the rest of the series was over and done with so quick after that was not a coincidence. Game 3/4 looked exactly like Game 1. Game 2 was the only one that was close and I still don't buy the entire "ohhhh, infestors soooo OP, poor Maru"-bs. Or that the map is that OP towards Zerg when Terran still has a positive winrate on it...It might be slightly favored for Zerg, but it isn't Lost Temple (RoC), so calm down. Not to mention how disrespectful it honestly is. You (like certain other people) honestly pretend like Serral was just showing up wishy-washy on that 2nd map and didn't do anything. Guy fought like a lion to fend off Maru and like on G1, in the end was the better player on that map aswell. In a game btw that must have been extremly frustrating, considering how generally frustrating it is to crack down a Terran on such a high level. And even IF we pretend that everything you said is true and poor Maru was just shived by this one map: Not getting tilted is also a skillset which he apparently then lacks hugely. What is that logic? "Maru is the greatest ever, but please don't tilt him that is unfair, only play straightup games. Oh and if he ever has to scan defensively that is cheating and OP, please nerf!!1"? Just a reminder that Serral last Katowice win was over Reynor and that Bo7 was the equivalent of a bareknuckle fight. So what, Maru would have drowned in that match from the get-go? Oh, as an addendum: You are correct in one aspect, I also was kind of sure that Serral would win after Game 2. Because he proved that he was better than Maru at his best. And as I said earlier, Maru lacks the creativity/willpower/whatever to overcome that. There's no point talking to you if you're going to CONSTANTLY put words in my mouth because you're so defensive about Serral. At no point do I say that Serral didn't win that series or that he wasn't the better player in that series. I'm simply pointing out the fact that he had a map advantage in the critical game that decided the series. If Maru wins that game like I believe he should have, then a 1-1 series going into game 3 is a COMPLETELY different series than down 0-2 going into game 3. Anyone that understands the Bo7 format in any sport understands that. At the level Maru and Serral play at, they are so good that if you give one of them a map advantage they are almost certainly going to use it to their advantage. Serral had the advantage at Katowice, with this current map pool Maru does now.
Sorry, but "the map advantage on the critical game" is just weird. It was the second map. If your spirit is completly broken after two maps, get the hell out of the finals. That is not something to mention in favor of Maru and/or against Serral. That is purely against Maru.
If this was game 7 and they would have played on a map with 70% zerg-winrate, then I would be totally with you. But not on Game freakin' 2. Not on a map that is actually terran-favored by stats.
Here is a hot-take: Marus spirit was "broken", because it was absolutely clear he couldn't win that day. Had nothing to do with the map.
On April 18 2024 05:03 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 22:07 Balnazza wrote:On April 17 2024 15:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 17 2024 11:20 tigera6 wrote:
As Maru fanboy, I want him to suck in GSL S2, get eliminated in group stage and then focus on the prep for EWC. While his TvP and TvT has regained certain stability, his TvZ still need more work imo base on his matches in this GSL. Granted that was on the previous map pool, I still need to see more to feel good about it. If he plays the way he played against Serral at IEM Katowice on these maps he can win. That Ratushet game in particular was bullshit. No way Serral pulls off that Infestor shit as effectively on a map without that many places to hide infestors because every attack pathway is gigantic. He didn't look that hot in the Ro16 but then again he rarely does. I'm not putting too much into that. I like how the copium is so strong that people just equal the entire Bo7 with that game on Radhuset, the only game that was even remotely close. On three out of four maps, Maru got completly outclassed, it never felt like he had any chance of winning. And honestly, I feel like that is Marus biggest weakness: He doesn't know how to win when he isn't the better player (at the moment). When Maru wins, it is usually by his sheer skill. But when he isn't at the height of his power or someone is just better, he lacks something to punch above his current paygrade. Can't even exactly tell what that is. Creativity? Willpower? And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't particularly say that this is Serrals strongsuit either. But in the last few years Serral is rarely the lesser player to anyone at any given moment, so it doesn't happen as often. Reynor would be an example for someone who isn't necessarily better as Maru and Serral when he wins, but he knows how to make everything messy enough to equal the field. I mean, in game 1 and game 3 Maru lost to an allin. Well prepared from Serral, congrats to him, but I wouldn't exactly consider that 'outclassed'. Or did Rogue completely outclass Serral in the bo7 he won in 20 minutes vs him? game 2 was the only game out of the first 3 (didn't watch game 4 so no idea what happened there) where Maru got to play his game and it was extremely close despite the map being Zerg favored
I haven't seen that Rogue/Serral series people often mention, but I wouldn't say that isn't impossible for Rogue to outclass Serral in a single series. Score isn't everything, it comes down to the games. A 4-0 can be close as hell, while a 4-3 can still feel onesided.
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That was a "close" 4-0 if thats ever such a thing, at least when both sides play it out in game 2 and 4. I swear to God that I thought Maru could have force game 2 to a draw by flying his building into one corner and have his army on the other sides threating Serral base. Serral army was mainly on BLord and Infestor at the end of that game, meaning he cant cover the entire map because of the lack of mobility. And game 4 Maru didnt wall off the right side of this 3rd is just painful but the trade was good for him.
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Didn't Maru lose his army out on the map at a Serral base, when he should've just camped? The Serral vs. Maru finals was not close at all, it was Maru trying to find any chink in the armour and we saw Serral outclass him in 4 different kind of scenarios.. When Serral had 3-0'd Clem and defeated Dark, was when we knew he won Katowice.
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I agree that if Maru had won CONVINCINGLY, then he could continue turtling on the other maps, but with how close this game was on a turtlling favoured map, there's no way.
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On April 18 2024 16:24 ejozl wrote:
I agree that if Maru had won CONVINCINGLY, then he could continue turtling on the other maps, but with how close this game was on a turtlling favoured map, there's no way.
Rahudset was NOT a turtling favored map, the bias is crazy. Even PiG said that map was way too open and the base are spread out too much making it hard to setup defense and choke point. I would like to see any other Terran try to turtle against Serral on that maps and see how it goes.
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